If they could hold onto Jones, I think it would be important moving forward. In the few games that Jones played he looked solid. Hes small but incredibly smart, using his superb skating to make plays. I think we all know about Jones' outlet/first pass. Id like to see Jones play with Trouba for a few games. The contrast between their styles could be interesting to watch.

Everyone is making excuses for Miller and that he's wasnt a natural defenseman when he started playing hockey, however hes got some clear issues. Ive noticed he has these hiccups where he gets turned around, ends up out of position and loses the puck. His stick checking issues are well documented. And for me, the one thing Ive noticed thats really annoying is his lack of shots from the point. When he came here he was advertised to have good offense and a good shot from the point, but whenever I see him with the puck he either doesnt shoot or seems to toss dud's (lobbed shots) at the net. So I went to the stat sheet... 29 shots in 39 games played. That means he has atleast 10 games where he didnt get a shot on net. Thats kinda disappointing.
- aecliptic

This is nice math work

If they could hold onto Jones, I think it would be important moving forward. In the few games that Jones played he looked solid. Hes small but incredibly smart, using his superb skating to make plays. I think we all know about Jones' outlet/first pass. Id like to see Jones play with Trouba for a few games. The contrast between their styles could be interesting to watch.

Everyone is making excuses for Miller and that he's wasnt a natural defenseman when he started playing hockey, however hes got some clear issues. Ive noticed he has these hiccups where he gets turned around, ends up out of position and loses the puck. His stick checking issues are well documented. And for me, the one thing Ive noticed thats really annoying is his lack of shots from the point. When he came here he was advertised to have good offense and a good shot from the point, but whenever I see him with the puck he either doesnt shoot or seems to toss dud's (lobbed shots) at the net. So I went to the stat sheet... 29 shots in 39 games played. That means he has atleast 10 games where he didnt get a shot on net. Thats kinda disappointing.
- aecliptic

I will continue to go on record "making excuses" for Miller.
I don't see how it can't be taken into consideration that he has only played defense for 5 or 6 years. And the documentation you mentioned about his stick checking is that he's really good at it. Everyone who talks about him lists his stick as an asset.
I'm going to assume that you didn't compare his stats against the rest of the D Corp, which is fine. But, when you do you see that he only has 3 shots fewer than Lindgren and Nemeth. And that Trouba, his partner, has 99 shots. 3 times as many as anyone but Fox. It's not hard to imagine that passing it along the blueline to Trouba is the play to be made much of the time. In other words, the pair has 128 shots on net in 39 games.
I am just glad that it appears management does not share your view of Miller and he only likely to be moved if the return blows our socks off.

Schneider has looked good, I think Jones and Nils could be used as trade bait for a rental if we think we’re close enough to bring a legit contender. I saw a Post article about a week ago with Gallant talking about Schneider and how he brings the type of game he wants, not sure what that means for Nils long term but I don’t think he’s in the plans.
- nyrangers9479

Nils first and then Jones if the right deal comes along, I think. Both look at least ok, but Jones has been a little better, I think.

This is nice math work
- mrn22

Wait, am I wrong or is that the "thanks Capt Obvious" post?

Wait, am I wrong or is that the "thanks Capt Obvious" post?
- aecliptic

Sorry just busting you

I will continue to go on record "making excuses" for Miller.
I don't see how it can't be taken into consideration that he has only played defense for 5 or 6 years. And the documentation you mentioned about his stick checking is that he's really good at it. Everyone who talks about him lists his stick as an asset.
I'm going to assume that you didn't compare his stats against the rest of the D Corp, which is fine. But, when you do you see that he only has 3 shots fewer than Lindgren and Nemeth. And that Trouba, his partner, has 99 shots. 3 times as many as anyone but Fox. It's not hard to imagine that passing it along the blueline to Trouba is the play to be made much of the time. In other words, the pair has 128 shots on net in 39 games.
I am just glad that it appears management does not share your view of Miller and he only likely to be moved if the return blows our socks off.
- Tonybere

I think majority of his penalties are also stick infractions, granted thankfully, he doesnt take many. However, also, hes a little too dependent on his stick leading to him getting burned on several occasions is what I meant about his stick issues being well documented.

You compare him to Lindgren, but Lindgren is not an offensive guy at all. I made a point to say that when Miller came here, he came here with a lot of talk about the upside of his offensive game and that its been incredibly lackluster. I understand that maybe the course of action is to let Trouba drive the offense, but its insane to think that in 36 games Miller has seen so few opportunities to take a shot on net. Youre also not explaining why he takes these weak "lob" shots when he does have a path to the net.

Sorry just busting you
- mrn22

Ok lol. You def got me all tripped up.

Nils first and then Jones if the right deal comes along, I think. Both look at least ok, but Jones has been a little better, I think.
- Tonybere

Yea for sure, Nils is def the main trade piece on the blueline. I think Jones/Schneider will be the defensive pair next year. With the possibility of Jones/Trouba as the PP pair.

Also, keep in mind that my trades that include Miller usually would involve a player the level of Alex Turcotte.

https://www.foreverbluesh...neider-could-replace-him/

Trouba was asked about the similarities between he and Schneider, whom are both physical right handed defensemen, and if he could help him develop.

“Yeah! Until he takes my job and then we’ve got issues,” Trouba laughed. “There’s definitely a little similarity. Just the attitude he brings to the game. He’s young and has a bright future.”

Yea for sure, Nils is def the main trade piece on the blueline. I think Jones/Schneider will be the defensive pair next year. With the possibility of Jones/Trouba as the PP pair.

Also, keep in mind that my trades that include Miller usually would involve a player the level of Alex Turcotte.
- aecliptic

Fair enough. I wasn't trying to say you assign him no value. I just think the club appreciates him game enough that I don't think he's being moved.

As for the lob shots, I was running a little long in my reply. Plus, I don't have an answer.

Nah, Id like to see LAF, Barron, Goodrow as the 3rd line.
- aecliptic

That's good idea

I will continue to go on record "making excuses" for Miller.
I don't see how it can't be taken into consideration that he has only played defense for 5 or 6 years. And the documentation you mentioned about his stick checking is that he's really good at it. Everyone who talks about him lists his stick as an asset.
I'm going to assume that you didn't compare his stats against the rest of the D Corp, which is fine. But, when you do you see that he only has 3 shots fewer than Lindgren and Nemeth. And that Trouba, his partner, has 99 shots. 3 times as many as anyone but Fox. It's not hard to imagine that passing it along the blueline to Trouba is the play to be made much of the time. In other words, the pair has 128 shots on net in 39 games.
I am just glad that it appears management does not share your view of Miller and he only likely to be moved if the return blows our socks off.
- Tonybere

Gotta give a young dman with all that skill plenty of time. He will be even better next year. Takes most dmen a while to get it all together..Fox non withstanding..lol

I think majority of his penalties are also stick infractions, granted thankfully, he doesnt take many. However, also, hes a little too dependent on his stick leading to him getting burned on several occasions is what I meant about his stick issues being well documented.

You compare him to Lindgren, but Lindgren is not an offensive guy at all. I made a point to say that when Miller came here, he came here with a lot of talk about the upside of his offensive game and that its been incredibly lackluster. I understand that maybe the course of action is to let Trouba drive the offense, but its insane to think that in 36 games Miller has seen so few opportunities to take a shot on net. Youre also not explaining why he takes these weak "lob" shots when he does have a path to the net.
- aecliptic

Guess you haven't been watching. Lindgren just got 2 goals in a game!

Guess you haven't been watching. Lindgren just got 2 goals in a game!
- rrentz

I know but whos expecting that

I know but whos expecting that
- aecliptic

First and last time that happens

I know but whos expecting that
- aecliptic

Miller not going anywhere, unless Drury gets an offer he can’t refuse.

Just saw a interesting stat , with 3 assists today Karlsson has 500 for his career. Fox has 110 after 164 games . Karlsson has played 820 as of today

Just saw a interesting stat , with 3 assists today Karlsson has 500 for his career. Fox has 110 after 164 games . Karlsson has played 820 as of today
- way out west

If he stays healthy a few more seasons, with 2 Norris trophies he’ll get voted into the HOF

Just saw a interesting stat , with 3 assists today Karlsson has 500 for his career. Fox has 110 after 164 games . Karlsson has played 820 as of today
- way out west

Before coming to SJS and having core muscle surgery, he was also registering lots of goals to add to all those assists.

Before coming to SJS and having core muscle surgery, he was also registering lots of goals to add to all those assists.
- aecliptic

Their stats are almost parallel… fox is about 9 goals per 82 and Karlsson 10 , with the assist basically the same

Their stats are almost parallel… fox is about 9 goals per 82 and Karlsson 10 , with the assist basically the same
- way out west

Maybe in total points, but I dont see Fox scoring 20 goals. Thats just not his game. Not that it really matters lol. Im just nitpicking lol.

Maybe in total points, but I dont see Fox scoring 20 goals. Thats just not his game. Not that it really matters lol. Im just nitpicking lol.
- aecliptic

Agreed. Makar might have a shot at 20 goals, but he doesn't put up the same helpers Fox does.

Gotta give a young dman with all that skill plenty of time. He will be even better next year. Takes most dmen a while to get it all together..Fox non withstanding..lol
- rrentz

Which we can also apply to Nils who was making the transition for the SHL to the NHL without any development time in the minors. I am not giving up on him. One D man is likely to go by the deadline. Jury is still out as to which one will get dealt.

Agreed. Makar might have a shot at 20 goals, but he doesn't put up the same helpers Fox does.
- Tonybere

Does it really matter in the end?

Lets say Makar ends with a 25-45 stat line and Fox ends with a 10-60 stat line... at the end of the day 70 goals were scored one way or another on their sticks.

Which is why I dont make a big deal about Kreider's inflated goal numbers and Zib's decresed goal numbers. At the end of the day, together theyre scoring.

Does it really matter in the end?

Lets say Makar ends with a 25-45 stat line and Fox ends with a 10-60 stat line... at the end of the day 70 goals were scored one way or another on their sticks.

Which is why I dont make a big deal about Kreider's inflated goal numbers and Zib's decresed goal numbers. At the end of the day, together theyre scoring.
- aecliptic

I was only commenting on the difference in their games.