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eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jan 7 @ 1:52 PM ET
I think he could as well. I watched the kid play for a few years. I keep wavering between making the trade and not, It's just a lot to give up. Especially when the prospect pool is so shallow. But to get Chychrun, boy, he's a hell of a player.
You had stated in a previous post that the Isles could move Varly and/or Bailey and create some more cap space (I want to be clear here. You said could/may/possibly. In no way did you state they WILL.

- Isleshockeyman[God, people can take things out of context so quickly and easily]). If they did this deal (if this was actually discussed) and got Chychrun and traded Varly and Bailey, then went a got one or 2 solid top 6 six guys, then we might be talking about extending the current contender era. They'd still need to bring some young talent to the prospect pool though. In my opinion.

There's no doubt it's a huge haul (yes, assuming that's what it'd even be...but, conceptually for arguments sake, any package of assets will be big if we make the trade) but the reality is that when this team finally crashes and burns (whenever that may be) we're in for a big sell-off/rebuild.

They have an opportunity this offseason to retool and come back strong next year and Chychrun gives them a massive leap in talent. His PPG (.73) last season in Arizona is better than any year in Beauvillier's career (his highest was about .60). I love Beau and his versatility and energy is a big asset, but this would be a real hard player to pass on. Doubly-so because he's making peanuts for 3 more years.

Imagine a top-4 of:

Chychrun-Dobson
Pelech-Pulock

(or some combination of those guys)

That's a high-end blueline, (edit) put together only by losing one player off the roster. Raty is probably still 2-3 years away from being any kind of regular on the roster, at best (going by what most of the young guys have gone through under Trotz so far). I really like Salo too and he's much closer to being an NHL regular, but there's no doubt Chychrun is a big-time upgrade over him. Beau would be tough to lose for sure, but they can go shopping for a replacement with all the cap space they'll have.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jan 7 @ 1:59 PM ET
As inconsistent as Beau is.. He isn't Bailey. He has scored some of the biggest goals in the biggest minutes for this team over the last few years. He flies around the ice, had very good corner work and creates a ton of issues with his speed and effort. Obviously, I like the guy a lot more than most on here.. but if he is gone we will regret it immediately. We already have a ton of guys in the mix who don't hustle, don't score and can't skate.

I like Bellows a lot.. mainly b/c he is a sniper, but Beau is a LOT better than Bellows.

- niteislander

Meh I don’t see Beau skate out of the corner or along the boards with the puck more often then not. I see a guy that flies around the ice a whole lot and more often then not, especially this year, he’s not doing all that much. I know I’m an anomaly with this line of thinking which is fine I’ll own it. He’ll probably go on a five game point streak due to this post. You’re welcome.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jan 7 @ 2:02 PM ET
Maybe, but I'm not sure if coming to the Isles is going to boost the offensive stats for anyone; especially a d-man. He probably has more offensive freedom now than he would in Trotz's system. I imagine that -29 he's got would be worlds better on the Isles though.
- UIF

Good point. I think we always go with the homerish view point but this makes sense
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Jan 7 @ 2:05 PM ET
Honestly, I could live without Beau if it's the right trade. I think he's good, no doubt, but not irreplaceable.
Isleshockeyman
New York Islanders
Location: Lou is our savior
Joined: 11.05.2014

Jan 7 @ 2:06 PM ET
There's no doubt it's a huge haul (yes, assuming that's what it'd even be...but, conceptually for arguments sake, any package of assets will be big if we make the trade) but the reality is that when this team finally crashes and burns (whenever that may be) we're in for a big sell-off/rebuild.

They have an opportunity this offseason to retool and come back strong next year and Chychrun gives them a massive leap in talent. His PPG (.73) last season in Arizona is better than any year in Beauvillier's career (his highest was about .60). I love Beau and his versatility and energy is a big asset, but this would be a real hard player to pass on. Doubly-so because he's making peanuts for 3 more years.

Imagine a top-4 of:

Chychrun-Dobson
Pelech-Pulock

(or some combination of those guys)

That's a high-end blueline, (edit) put together only by losing one player off the roster. Raty is probably still 2-3 years away from being any kind of regular on the roster, at best (going by what most of the young guys have gone through under Trotz so far). I really like Salo too and he's much closer to being an NHL regular, but there's no doubt Chychrun is a big-time upgrade over him. Beau would be tough to lose for sure, but they can go shopping for a replacement with all the cap space they'll have.

- eichiefs9


That's mostly the way I've been looking at it. We'd only be losing one rostered player that's pretty easy to replace. Yes, a lot of people love them some Tito, but he's not an upper echelon player. I like him as well, but if you're going to upgrade your team, you can't do it with sentiment.

Edit: I'd even take it one step further and say that if you're going to make a deal for a player of his caliber, the only untouchables on the team (for me) would be Lee, Barzal, Pelech, Pulock & Sorokin. I might put Wally on that list too.
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Jan 7 @ 3:35 PM ET
I don't know, I still say patience should win the day, for a couple of reasons. First, I think the team should earn a big risk like this, and, this season, they haven't up to this point. I know there's been injuries and COVID, but they looked off even before all of that. If they play themselves back into the conversation closer to the deadline, then it'd be time to talk about whether it's once again a good idea to mortgage the future. Otherwise, they'd have to really be sure that one d-man is the key to turning it all around.

And second, I think the hole they're in now is a good time to take a breath and evaluate what they have. I feel like, lately, we've finally gotten a proper look at a couple of players that have been in Isles limbo for years. Some haven't really risen to the occasion, but others that we probably had closed the book on have impressed with some more ice time and opportunities. I don't mind seeing what some of these guys can do for a little while before we package them up in trades or send them back into exile. Honestly, it makes more sense to me to dump some of the dead weight that's not in the plans beyond this year and give some of these other guys a chance to try and save the season.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jan 7 @ 4:39 PM ET
I don't know, I still say patience should win the day, for a couple of reasons. First, I think the team should earn a big risk like this, and, this season, they haven't up to this point. I know there's been injuries and COVID, but they looked off even before all of that. If they play themselves back into the conversation closer to the deadline, then it'd be time to talk about whether it's once again a good idea to mortgage the future. Otherwise, they'd have to really be sure that one d-man is the key to turning it all around.

And second, I think the hole they're in now is a good time to take a breath and evaluate what they have. I feel like, lately, we've finally gotten a proper look at a couple of players that have been in Isles limbo for years. Some haven't really risen to the occasion, but others that we probably had closed the book on have impressed with some more ice time and opportunities. I don't mind seeing what some of these guys can do for a little while before we package them up in trades or send them back into exile. Honestly, it makes more sense to me to dump some of the dead weight that's not in the plans beyond this year and give some of these other guys a chance to try and save the season.

- UIF

The window to compete has a short shelf-life, this year was a step back but they could make themselves better than they've ever been under Trotz/Lou at any point with a couple moves.

Everyone has different points of view, but I'm all-in for trying to win one in the next few years before the older core becomes too old and their contracts start to look terrible. There are undoubtedly drawbacks to it, but playing it safe doesn't usually get you too far. Waiting around to see if some of the guys in limbo can put it together with a bigger role is going to eat up too much time. By the time we figure out who pans out and who doesn't...guys like Lee/Nelson will be over the hill.
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Jan 7 @ 4:59 PM ET
The window to compete has a short shelf-life, this year was a step back but they could make themselves better than they've ever been under Trotz/Lou at any point with a couple moves.

Everyone has different points of view, but I'm all-in for trying to win one in the next few years before the older core becomes too old and their contracts start to look terrible. There are undoubtedly drawbacks to it, but playing it safe doesn't usually get you too far. Waiting around to see if some of the guys in limbo can put it together with a bigger role is going to eat up too much time. By the time we figure out who pans out and who doesn't...guys like Lee/Nelson will be over the hill.

- eichiefs9


I think it helps save time and avoid mistakes for next season. Instead of going out and looking for the next 89-year old vet to fill a wing position and score -6 goals, we'd know whether or not a guy like Bellows could fill that role with a nice long look this season. Then that time could be spent filling actual holes instead of perceived ones.
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