Infection rates are waaaay up, but hospitalization and ICU are still fine for double-vaxxers.

Time to treat anti-vaxxers like the lepers they are, and let the rest of us get on with our lives.

No double-vax? Not allowed in any public or retail setting.

Everyone else? Have at ‘er.

I’m tired of paying the price for the 10% of the population who (quite frankly) I won’t shed a tear for, should they die as a result of their own stupidity.
- Atomic Wedgie

Agree with this. I was at an emergency ward yesterday and the triage nurses were turning away people with covid or covid like symptoms. I don't see the logic of giving priority to a non vaxxer over someone that needs urgent care and has been vaccinated.

Infection rates are waaaay up, but hospitalization and ICU are still fine for double-vaxxers.

Time to treat anti-vaxxers like the lepers they are, and let the rest of us get on with our lives.

No double-vax? Not allowed in any public or retail setting.

Everyone else? Have at ‘er.

I’m tired of paying the price for the 10% of the population who (quite frankly) I won’t shed a tear for, should they die as a result of their own stupidity.
- Atomic Wedgie

Like kids? We still have 24% of the total population unvaccinated. Those under 5 aren’t eligible and rates in the 5-11 age group are very low and kids are ending up in hospitals in big numbers in the states.

Also, if the unvaccinated were sent off to die in the woods that would be fine but they’re probably not going to die. They are just going to take up space that you or your kids might need for some non-Covid emergency.

Agree with this. I was at an emergency ward yesterday and the triage nurses were turning away people with covid or covid like symptoms. I don't see the logic of giving priority to a non vaxxer over someone that needs urgent care and has been vaccinated.
- winsix

Or smokers with lung cancer or bad drivers or stupid people in general. Medicine doesn’t work that way.

Or smokers with lung cancer or bad drivers or stupid people in general. Medicine doesn’t work that way.
- Canada Cup

Or lepers, apparently.

Or smokers with lung cancer or bad drivers or stupid people in general. Medicine doesn’t work that way.
- Canada Cup

You are comparing poor life/health choices to the once in a lifetime pandemic which is choking the economy and the enjoyment of life experiences. Not the same. Smokers and overweight people strain the medical system, Covid has changed the way we live and the way we do business - and not in a good way.

is it any good?
- winsix

well, the first episode has played.

I liked it but disappointed that it's only 30 minutes long.
The Mandalorian was about 45 minute in duration per episode

Or lepers, apparently.
- mjones242

I have no problem with restricting public access for unvaccinated people. That’s sound public health in a pandemic and I couldn’t care less if it hurts their feelings and makes them feel like lepers. I just don’t think you can start to make health access decisions on the basis of stupid decisions unless you get to a full out emergency triage situation.

I'm double-vaxxed but this type of rhetoric needs to (frank)ing stop.
- mjones242

Why???

Unless it's a REAL medical issue stopping them from being vaxxed...or age, (frank) them.

Liberty is being taken from the vulnerable, compassionate and smart while idiots are out running around still transmitting a virus that should've been eradicated a long time ago. Again, (frank) them!

You are comparing poor life/health choices to the once in a lifetime pandemic which is choking the economy and the enjoyment of life experiences. Not the same. Smokers and overweight people strain the medical system, Covid has changed the way we live and the way we do business - and not in a good way.
- winsix

No. You raised determining access to medical care on the basis of vaccination status which is no different than limiting access for smokers. Medicine treats the sick regardless of IQ

Or smokers with lung cancer or bad drivers or stupid people in general. Medicine doesn’t work that way.
- Canada Cup

Wow, that's a poop ton of conflation.

It's stupid false equivalencies that allow for dumb people to keep doing dumb poop. If it only affected them, no one would care but this pandemic affects all of us.

Lone Wolf and Cub is (frank)ing craaaaaazzzzy man

The market is already doing the right thing and boxing out antivaxxers. I'd love it if the government would suspend their civil rights with total prejudice. (frank) 'em. Ignorant, gutless poopstains can eat a Richard.

Why???

Unless it's a REAL medical issue stopping them from being vaxxed...or age, (frank) them.

Liberty is being taken from the vulnerable, compassionate and smart while idiots are out running around still transmitting a virus that should've been eradicated a long time ago. Again, (frank) them!
- underhill14

It’s easy (and appropriate) to get all indignant about unvaccinated adults but it really misses the point. In Canada, vax rates are pretty much in the 80s for every age group except 5-11 which is minuscule and obviously 0 fir under 5s. And un-vaxed kids are getting sick and ending up in hospital and are about to sent back to schools that aren’t ready. That’s the issue right now.

No. You raised determining access to medical care on the basis of vaccination status which is no different than limiting access for smokers. Medicine treats the sick regardless of IQ
- Canada Cup

Actually no, I agreed with the logic of the hospital to turn away people with non-life threatening covid symptoms (at the great risk of infecting others) and giving people like the young lady that was pregnant and bleeding heavily, or the fellow who broke his leg doing whatever. You can disagree, but keep the story the same. Nothing to do with limiting access.

Why???

Unless it's a REAL medical issue stopping them from being vaxxed...or age, (frank) them.

Liberty is being taken from the vulnerable, compassionate and smart while idiots are out running around still transmitting a virus that should've been eradicated a long time ago. Again, (frank) them!
- underhill14

Because calling those who have not been COVID vaccinated "lepers" is counter-productive and (frank)ing hateful.

Also, the virus is transmitted by both vaccinated and unvaccinated people. This vaccine will not "eradicate" the virus. If you want to make an argument that the unvaccinated who have COVID are clogging up the ICU beds, then have at it.

I'm not willing to call COVID anti-vaxxers anything less than human and it's (frank)ing disgusting to refer to them as such.

Actually no, I agreed with the logic of the hospital to turn away people with non-life threatening covid symptoms (at the great risk of infecting others) and giving people like the young lady that was pregnant and bleeding heavily, or the fellow who broke his leg doing whatever. You can disagree, but keep the story the same. Nothing to do with limiting access.
- winsix

As a person with multiple emerge nurses in my family...I can confirm this is happening far too often.

People are coming in with scratchy throats and demanding PCR tests.

Because calling those who have not been COVID vaccinated "lepers" is counter-productive and (frank)ing hateful.

Also, the virus is transmitted by both vaccinated and unvaccinated people. This vaccine will not "eradicate" the virus. If you want to make an argument that the unvaccinated who have COVID are clogging up the ICU beds, then have at it.

I'm not willing to call COVID anti-vaxxers anything less than human and it's (frank)ing disgusting to refer to them as such.
- mjones242

I agree.

But also there are anti vaxxers out there doing it out of their own stubbornness and not for their own biology.

Wow, that's a poop ton of conflation.

It's stupid false equivalencies that allow for dumb people to keep doing dumb poop. If it only affected them, no one would care but this pandemic affects all of us.
- underhill14

Of course it does and and I’m completely in favour of restrictions on access to certain public settings for the un-vaxed because that affects all of us. But people have been doing dumb poop and getting the health care system to fix them up after forever. Medicine doesn’t restrict access on the basis of IQ. That’s different than the issue of mandates.

I have no problem with restricting public access for unvaccinated people. That’s sound public health in a pandemic and I couldn’t care less if it hurts their feelings and makes them feel like lepers. I just don’t think you can start to make health access decisions on the basis of stupid decisions unless you get to a full out emergency triage situation.
- Canada Cup

I do.

You are never going to get 100% compliance. If we need to pour more money into hospitals to expand our ICU capacity then (frank)ing do it. We're in a (frank)ing pandemic and it's the least we can do: increase capacity, acquire significant supplies of effective treatment medication (e.g. monoclonal antibodies, etc.), and stop trying to turn this into a "(frank) you anti-vaxxer" situation.

It’s easy (and appropriate) to get all indignant about unvaccinated adults but it really misses the point. In Canada, vax rates are pretty much in the 80s for every age group except 5-11 which is minuscule and obviously 0 fir under 5s. And un-vaxed kids are getting sick and ending up in hospital and are about to sent back to schools that aren’t ready. That’s the issue right now.
- Canada Cup

Agree this is an issue, Pfizer available for children 5 - 11 now. Giddy - up, a significant issue that we have seen is a number of parents unwilling to get kids aged 5 - 11 vaccinated.

Actually no, I agreed with the logic of the hospital to turn away people with non-life threatening covid symptoms (at the great risk of infecting others) and giving people like the young lady that was pregnant and bleeding heavily, or the fellow who broke his leg doing whatever. You can disagree, but keep the story the same. Nothing to do with limiting access.
- winsix

Fine but that has nothing to do with being vaccinated or not vaccinated. Obviously a hospital will determine what’s an emergency and what’s not and who should be admitted and who shouldn’t. I have no problem with that. I just maintain that you don’t make those decisions on the basis of vax status.

I agree.

But also there are anti vaxxers out there doing it out of their own stubbornness and not for their own biology.
- Santo_44

Absolutely. There's a great deal of stupidity in the anti-COVID vaxx community. But how do you distinguish or turn away people for their own stupidity?

The hatred and vitriol towards those who are anti-COVID vaxx is stomach turning.

Absolutely. There's a great deal of stupidity in the anti-COVID vaxx community. But how do you distinguish or turn away people for their own stupidity?

The hatred and vitriol towards those who are anti-COVID vaxx is stomach turning.
- mjones242

You can't that is true.

I know a couple that still wants proof over the children murdered in the indigenous schools....then proceed to talk poop about the vaccines. Those are the types of people that need help.

Absolutely. There's a great deal of stupidity in the anti-COVID vaxx community. But how do you distinguish or turn away people for their own stupidity?

The hatred and vitriol towards those who are anti-COVID vaxx is stomach turning.
- mjones242

There's a simple solution. I did not have a choice to not get the Polio vaccine. Went to school, shot in the arm and done. Removing the ability to harm others should not be open to discussion. You want to jump off a bridge ok, just don't tie my ankle to yours.

Children enrolled in primary or secondary school must have proof of immunization against the following diseases:

diphtheria
tetanus
pertussis (whooping cough)
polio
measles
mumps
rubella
meningococcal disease
varicella (chickenpox) – required for children born in 2010 or later

Why is covid vaccine a matter of choice when none of the above are?

I do.

You are never going to get 100% compliance. If we need to pour more money into hospitals to expand our ICU capacity then (frank)ing do it. We're in a (frank)ing pandemic and it's the least we can do: increase capacity, acquire significant supplies of effective treatment medication (e.g. monoclonal antibodies, etc.), and stop trying to turn this into a "(frank) you anti-vaxxer" situation.
- mjones242

You can’t just create new nurses and docs when they’ve been quitting in droves because of the strains they’re facing at work and the abuse they’re getting from anti-vaxers.

Public health solutions, including restrictions when required are the best way to address pandemics. Over 80% of the country has vaccinated because they understand it helps. The huge majority wear their masks where required because they understand it helps. If a small minority decide they don’t want to vaccinate, fine but don’t cry if you face restrictions on your movements.

Oh, and Russia just forfeited today’s WJC game.