No.

Patrick has little value. He missed an entire season, came back the next year and scored only 4 goals in 52 games. That's bad. That's why he was quickly flipped for Glass. Who struggled in Vegas, played only 2 games for the Preds, and then sent down to the AHL. His injury history also points him in the direction of a shorter career.

Myers is a flawed defenseman who is often a healthy scratch. Only 9 games played this season with 0 points. He is a $2.5 cap hit which saves the Preds almost $4 million in cap space when compared to Ellis' contract. Plus Myers has only 1 more year on his contract compared to Ellis' 5 years after this.
- Captain_Ahab

patrick had value, not nearly the value he was drafted at, but he had a lot of value. Still young, cheap and potential. There is value in patrick. Someone always wants to try a reclamation project.

Dude has missed 90% of the games this season

but hey, its not like his groin is injured every year -- it will be some other body part for the next five seasons that cause him to miss significant time
- corduroy

Maybe. Realistically I thought 60to 75 games played a year. Didn’t expect him to miss this much this quick. But when he does play he is the best of said group. No questions. And still believe there is still mileage in his tank.

Why would they think this? Ryan Ellis’ injury history isn’t new information.
- SuperSchennBros

because RHD are more valuable the LHD

Figure out what's keeping him and other players from progressing and fix that.
- MJL

you figure that out and you better not reveal it for free haha thats some bottle and sell it stuff right there for any organization.

Multiple outlets reported the same thing. Fletcher talked about it in his press conference.
- Peter Richards

I could be wrong about this, but the only thing I remember that is relevant re: other outlets is something vague, like saying several other teams were interested....

That 7 teams had specifically offered up a 1st rounder is something I have always been skeptical about....

Maybe you can provide me with a link?

I could be wrong about this, but the only thing I remember that is relevant re: other outlets is something vague, like saying several other teams were interested....

That 7 teams had specifically offered up a 1st rounder is something I have always been skeptical about....

Maybe you can provide me with a link?
- PT21

Seven teams involved. If I remember there were only 4 teams offering a first. Could be wrong.

I could be wrong about this, but the only thing I remember that is relevant re: other outlets is something vague, like saying several other teams were interested....

That 7 teams had specifically offered up a 1st rounder is something I have always been skeptical about....

Maybe you can provide me with a link?
- PT21

seven may be high but im sure a couple did. GMs just cant help themselves. How many contracts did Jack Johnson bilk out of the league?

you figure that out and you better not reveal it for free haha thats some bottle and sell it stuff right there for any organization.
- stayinthefnnet

What I think you have to look at is if young players across the board are struggling. If so then I think you need to look at the process and the environment.

What I think you have to look at is if young players across the board are struggling. If so then I think you need to look at the process and the environment.
- MJL

oh for sure.

i wont try to claim the flyers dont have some organizational issues with it. far be it from me to diagnose them with certainty. AV appeared to be a vet driven rather than developmental guy. still, lots of teams struggle with having young guys not pan and then go on to improve elsewhere. the dichotomy between how much of it is organizational new environs over the player simply having their eyes opened after being jettisoned and realizing its time to maybe put more work in than before is always a balance. take Pat Maroon for instance. His case always sounded more like he just needed to realize his career was on thin ice and to stop (frank)ing around rather than some organizational mishandling by the flyers. I know thats only one example though.

Seven teams involved. If I remember there were only 4 teams offering a first. Could be wrong.
- Peter Richards

seven may be high but im sure a couple did. GMs just cant help themselves. How many contracts did Jack Johnson bilk out of the league?
- stayinthefnnet

When I first heard about this, I thought the devil would be in the details. Like, maybe one team offered a first, but wanted Buffalo to withhold salary. Or, wanted someone else coming back from Buffalo. Or, wanted Buffalo's 2nd (which may not have been that different in pick order from say Habs's first, if they were trying to replace the loss of guy like Weber). Or, maybe one of them was a tank team like Coyotes. And so on.

oh for sure.

i wont try to claim the flyers dont have some organizational issues with it. far be it from me to diagnose them with certainty. AV appeared to be a vet driven rather than developmental guy. still, lots of teams struggle with having young guys not pan and then go on to improve elsewhere. the dichotomy between how much of it is organizational new environs over the player simply having their eyes opened after being jettisoned and realizing its time to maybe put more work in than before is always a balance. take Pat Maroon for instance. His case always sounded more like he just needed to realize his career was on thin ice and to stop (frank)ing around rather than some organizational mishandling by the flyers. I know thats only one example though.
- stayinthefnnet

It's a wide ranging topic. I'll give you one example. Over the first two to three weeks or so of the season, Oskar Lindblom was playing really good hockey. He was strong on the forecheck, breaking up pucks and driving scoring chances. Unfortunately, neither he or his line mates was finishing well. The coach had an opportunity to make some changes and failed to do so. A young player trying to develop his game is going to struggle with that and eventually get frustrated. As was easily predicted, Lindblom's game started to slip and he's had difficulty getting it back. They should've split that line up and made some changes. The Flyers did the same thing last season with some young players. Kept them in situations that were not good for them. Some players recover from that and some don't. The situation can stunt development.

I could be wrong about this, but the only thing I remember that is relevant re: other outlets is something vague, like saying several other teams were interested....

That 7 teams had specifically offered up a 1st rounder is something I have always been skeptical about....

Maybe you can provide me with a link?
- PT21

Yeah, I can't find anything either to collaborate that 7 teams were offering up a 1st+ for Risto. Not saying it isn't possible but I'm very skeptical.

Does Risto get us a 13th overall 1st rounder pick, a 2nd rounder and a serviceable NHL defenseman? Hopefully, but I doubt it.

Does Risto get us a 13th overall 1st rounder pick, a 2nd rounder and a serviceable NHL defenseman? Hopefully, but I doubt it.
- dubc55

I think you'll be fortunate to get a 1st if they move him at the deadline. Many teams have cap issues and there might be some solid defenseman moved at the deadline. Injuries can also have an effect. All depends on how the market develops and if you can get a bidding war going.

I think you'll be fortunate to get a 1st if they move him at the deadline. Many teams have cap issues and there might be some solid defenseman moved at the deadline. Injuries can also have an effect. All depends on how the market develops and if you can get a bidding war going.
- MJL

Agreed. I think we maybe get a 1st rounder but it would be a late 1st. Like you said, we'll have to see how the market goes.

I'm pretty sure we lost this trade. That 2023 2nd could be a high 2nd, and that draft is deeper than 2022 (so far).

Yeah, I can't find anything either to collaborate that 7 teams were offering up a 1st+ for Risto. Not saying it isn't possible but I'm very skeptical.

Does Risto get us a 13th overall 1st rounder pick, a 2nd rounder and a serviceable NHL defenseman? Hopefully, but I doubt it.
- dubc55

I would be shocked if we get even a late 1st for Risto. Which contending team is going to go to battle for a cup with Risto in their top 4? He will not have the benefit of a training camp, will have to go to adapt to a new system right away with high stakes. Can you imagine the flak that team's GM will get if he reverts to Sabres Risto and makes some blunders in crunch time?

Anyway, there is only 1 way Risto goes anywhere other than where he is. That is if his departure is preceded by CF's. No way CF owns this if he stays.

Agreed. I think we maybe get a 1st rounder but it would be a late 1st. Like you said, we'll have to see how the market goes.

I'm pretty sure we lost this trade. That 2023 2nd could be a high 2nd, and that draft is deeper than 2022 (so far).
- dubc55

I just hope Fletcher is smart enough not to compound his mistake and move him. For whatever they can recoup.

It's a wide ranging topic. I'll give you one example. Over the first two to three weeks or so of the season, Oskar Lindblom was playing really good hockey. He was strong on the forecheck, breaking up pucks and driving scoring chances. Unfortunately, neither he or his line mates was finishing well. The coach had an opportunity to make some changes and failed to do so. A young player trying to develop his game is going to struggle with that and eventually get frustrated. As was easily predicted, Lindblom's game started to slip and he's had difficulty getting it back. They should've split that line up and made some changes. The Flyers did the same thing last season with some young players. Kept them in situations that were not good for them. Some players recover from that and some don't. The situation can stunt development.
- MJL

oh yeah. Lindblom is a tough one to touch because i know the cancer comeback isnt an excuse but its definitely thrown a large wrench into things.

lots of teams (frank) this stuff up though. theyll take a young skillful player and make him cut his teeth on the fourth line with grinders where the guy basically has no chance of putting together anything that hes good at. I understand the concept of earning ice time, but the old school mentality still plagues the sport.

I just hope Fletcher is smart enough not to compound his mistake and move him. For whatever they can recoup.
- MJL

That's my fear as well. Handing Risto the inflated contract I think he somehow gets will be disastrous for this franchise. Dump him near or at the deadline and pray you can recover some loses.

oh yeah. Lindblom is a tough one to touch because i know the cancer comeback isnt an excuse but its definitely thrown a large wrench into things.

lots of teams (frank) this stuff up though. theyll take a young skillful player and make him cut his teeth on the fourth line with grinders where the guy basically has no chance of putting together anything that hes good at. I understand the concept of earning ice time, but the old school mentality still plagues the sport.
- stayinthefnnet

Good point. Going back to the Lindblom example. Many said, he's not scoring so he doesn't deserve to be moved up in the lineup. I say move him up to play with better players and he might start scoring. His line mates will also be helped by the scoring chances generated. That situation, not just Lindblom specifically, was one of the key blunders made by Vigneault.

I would be shocked if we get even a late 1st for Risto. Which contending team is going to go to battle for a cup with Risto in their top 4? He will not have the benefit of a training camp, will have to go to adapt to a new system right away with high stakes. Can you imagine the flak that team's GM will get if he reverts to Sabres Risto and makes some blunders in crunch time?

Anyway, there is only 1 way Risto goes anywhere other than where he is. That is if his departure is preceded by CF's. No way CF owns this if he stays.
- PT21

For the sake of this franchise we better hope for a 1st. This Risto trade really gets to me.

It's a wide ranging topic. I'll give you one example. Over the first two to three weeks or so of the season, Oskar Lindblom was playing really good hockey. He was strong on the forecheck, breaking up pucks and driving scoring chances. Unfortunately, neither he or his line mates was finishing well. The coach had an opportunity to make some changes and failed to do so. A young player trying to develop his game is going to struggle with that and eventually get frustrated. As was easily predicted, Lindblom's game started to slip and he's had difficulty getting it back. They should've split that line up and made some changes. The Flyers did the same thing last season with some young players. Kept them in situations that were not good for them. Some players recover from that and some don't. The situation can stunt development.
- MJL

I agree, but its also up to the players. They need to finish. He was playing well, but he wasnt scoring. That is part of playing well....getting some results. So id say there were aspects of the game he was playing well. But definately not overall, because he wasnt putting up any points.

Good point. Going back to the Lindblom example. Many said, he's not scoring so he doesn't deserve to be moved up in the lineup. I say move him up to play with better players and he might start scoring. His line mates will also be helped by the scoring chances generated. That situation, not just Lindblom specifically, was one of the key blunders made by Vigneault.
- MJL

They did. But too late and for not enough time.

https://twitter.com/Broad...tatus/1470439468024975361

i know some people that won't show up at games any more

https://twitter.com/BroadStBull/status/1470439468024975361

i know some people that won't show up at games any more
- 2Real

If their decision is based on the directive you refer to there, those are exactly the guys we want to stay away from large gatherings.

https://twitter.com/BroadStBull/status/1470439468024975361

i know some people that won't show up at games any more
- 2Real

Makes no sense at all. Vaccinated or not people should concerned about this type of stuff.

My wife and daughter tested positive for covid-19. We're unvaccinated. On day 8 of quarantine right now. Caught it from a fully vaccinated family member on the Saturday. The next day on Sunday we visited my side of the family. They all got tested and were negative. Not one tested positive. Us crazy unvaccinated weren't the super spreaders being advertised.

One fully vaccinated was hospitalized from passing out repeatedly and chest/heart pains. So far 26 people have contracted covid through this fully vaccinated individual that we know of. Of the 26, 5 people were unvaccinated, they're barely showing any symptoms at all.

They shut down my daughters class, her aftercare and the other activities she was involved in. They all have to get tested and quarantine now.

Now we've all had covid. We're not vaccinated. My wife has lost smell and taste, had chills for 1/2 day, that's it. My 5yr old daughter had a runny nose for 2 days. I had a cough and dizziness for 2 days.

Just my experience. I'm living it right now.