That blinked? He’s sucked for 2-3 years in a row here
- ClaudeFather

Absolutely. And the change of scenery probably helped his game. Also let’s see what happens when we get to the more physical part of the season. Or when his knee gives him pause again. Btw. His 5v5 numbers are mediocre.

Elliott Friedman or NHL network mentioned (after AV got fired) that Ghost was in AV’s doghouse and Fletcher wasn’t thrilled about it. Also mentioned: GMs were calling flyers mid season asking about Ghost and Fletcher told them all he wasn’t available.
- arichardson22

He was in hakstol s doghouse as well.

I just hate being the team that blinked and ate their hat on the Ghost trade. I want the Flyers to be the ones pouncing on these opportunistic situations, not the ones blinking and giving away the goods. The string of logic leading up to this trade is all well and good, but the bottom line is we pushed the panic button and paid the price.
- BulliesPhan87

Looking at the upcoming schedule for the Flyers it is easy to see this could be the start of the annual run to the Moral Victory Cup. A streak that management will use to justify business as usual.

The trade deadline isn't until March 21st, which works against the Flyers but works for Flyers management. Plenty of time for the team to go on a run to make the current regime look competent.

There is no way in hell this management team looks in the mirror and self-evaluates. Unless they are mathematically eliminated, Giroux and Risto are staying put.

There is only one way out of this, and that is to pull for this team to keep losing.

Elliott Friedman or NHL network mentioned (after AV got fired) that Ghost was in AV’s doghouse and Fletcher wasn’t thrilled about it. Also mentioned: GMs were calling flyers mid season asking about Ghost and Fletcher told them all he wasn’t available.
- arichardson22

not sure how much stock i put in this. fletch was the one who waived and then later paid to trade him. not AV.

The overvaluing that pick is really one of the most poorly thought out arguments you can make. As a team that is not ready to win now, the more picks you have and use, the more chances you have to get fortunate and get a good young player out of a later pick.
I have no clue what you could base Ristolainen being good here on. There is no information to support that. How he is a bright spot is baffling to me but to each his own.
How could Patrick possibly be a bigger red flag than Ellis? Makes no sense. Same with Myers. You are always better off as a team in the position the Flyers are in, to have failed prospects than to have aging and declining players on long term higher hit cap deals. Especially with Ellis injury issues.
- MJL

Patrick could very well never play a game in the NHL again. How is he not a bigger red flag than Ellis?

Patrick could very well never play a game in the NHL again. How is he not a bigger red flag than Ellis?
- ClaudeFather

also curious. the future elite shutdown d man in Myers has been a healthy scratch most of the season. Yes he had what a broken nose earlier this year. That is not s reason to be scratched IMO. (we have seen multiple players play with this in the past.)

also curious. the future elite shutdown d man in Myers has been a healthy scratch most of the season. Yes he had what a broken nose earlier this year. That is not s reason to be scratched IMO. (we have seen multiple players play with this in the past.)
- Peter Richards

Everyone said Nashville breeds Dmen, he’s going to be so great. Guess what, he’s sucked. Obviously we have the additional cap out of the trade. Patrick is the biggest red flag in the league lol

Everyone said Nashville breeds Dmen, he’s going to be so great. Guess what, he’s sucked. Obviously we have the additional cap out of the trade. Patrick is the biggest red flag in the league lol
- ClaudeFather

I question his hockey i q. But also didn’t think he’d be their 7 th d man. Guess the hype was real.

Absolutely. And the change of scenery probably helped his game. Also let’s see what happens when we get to the more physical part of the season. Or when his knee gives him pause again. Btw. His 5v5 numbers are mediocre.
- Peter Richards

He'll never be a value add in the post season when the games get physical.

Apologies for breaking up the negativity but great to hear that Allison looks like he’s back on track. Wonder where he’ll slot in once he returns. Love that guys game.
- Hextall271

me too, my only concern is after watching him a good bit it seems he gets hurt so much because of the game he plays. Allison is all in every play, he takes great routes and goes into the play full speed. Love it and pray he stays healthy

Patrick could very well never play a game in the NHL again. How is he not a bigger red flag than Ellis?
- ClaudeFather

Cap hits are quite different.
Just hoping Ellis can get in 60 games per year.

Patrick could very well never play a game in the NHL again. How is he not a bigger red flag than Ellis?
- ClaudeFather

One guy is signed for 2 years at 1.2aav

One guy is signed for 5 more years at 6.25aav.

That's all I got.

I question his hockey i q. But also didn’t think he’d be their 7 th d man. Guess the hype was real.
- Peter Richards

It was discussed when the trade happened that Nashville had D waiting to take the next step. Nashville was probably more about getting rid of the salary/cap and take on another D for depth for injury or player taking a step back. I don't know what Myers is going to turn out to be but to early to say he's not going to be an NHL defensemen.

Patrick could very well never play a game in the NHL again. How is he not a bigger red flag than Ellis?
- ClaudeFather

As a team that is not ready to contend and won't be anytime soon. A failed prospect is better for that team than an aging and declining player with 5 more years left after this year on a 6M cap hit with injury issues.

Sarge and Flahr have both done a good job of finding NHL players, but their shared philosophy of taking two-way, character players hasn't yielded many elite talents.

The two transcendent talents they did draft had some pretty big question marks... Giroux wasn't exactly a slam dunk on draft day and nobody knew if Kaprisov would ever cross the pond. Neither really fit the usual MO.

Oh... and Flahr was going to take Brayden Point (who had size and skating deficiencies) but Chuck traded out of that pick to add an extra late-rounder, lol.

I'd really like to see Flahr take some bigger swings, especially at the top of the draft. Missing on a pick really sucks, but having nothing but a sea of middling prospects is also a slow death.
- Tomahawk

Unless you are picking very high, the elite talents seem to be a luck of the draw thing. TB caught lightning in the bottle (pun intended) with Point. He was their 4th pick that year. It is the same with St. Louis and DeBrincat. Look at LeTang, a 3rd rounder and the second dman taken that year. Stone was 6th rounder. I actually think Hart is in that grouping. He should never have slid so far. I agree about Ric Flair but he seems to like smaller shooters. We have Samu, Brink and McLennon. I am not sure too much of that size player is a good thing.

Haven't been paying close attention..... Last game I watched was the debacle against the Devils. Brassard played against the Devils, reading the box scores against LVK, and the Coyotes I see he didn't play. Also saw he didn't practice today.

Is this now Ellis, Hayes, and Brassard injured in their first game back?
How is anyone defending this garbage.
- PLindbergh31

Because it isnt isolated to just the Flyers. Florida lost Barkov his 1st game back from injury as well. Dallas had Hintz play almost every other game last season because of injuries

Elliott Friedman or NHL network mentioned (after AV got fired) that Ghost was in AV’s doghouse and Fletcher wasn’t thrilled about it. Also mentioned: GMs were calling flyers mid season asking about Ghost and Fletcher told them all he wasn’t available.
- arichardson22

Except 1) Flyers brought it Gustafsson (which didn't work out), creating a redundancy. Made no logical sense to say Ghost was unavailable only to waived him a few weeks later. 2) Right after the Ghost trade to Arizona, Chuck explicitly said they'd tried other avenues right up to the expansion draft.

It was discussed when the trade happened that Nashville had D waiting to take the next step. Nashville was probably more about getting rid of the salary/cap and take on another D for depth for injury or player taking a step back. I don't know what Myers is going to turn out to be but to early to say he's not going to be an NHL defensemen.
- rayc16

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He's going to be 25 in a month. We should have a pretty good idea of what he is going to be

As a team that is not ready to contend and won't be anytime soon. A failed prospect is better for that team than an aging and declining player with 5 more years left after this year on a 6M cap hit with injury issues.
- MJL

What? How do you figure? We get a solid D regardless of his health issues. He's 30 years old and still playing at a top level. Where is this decline? It hasnt happened yet. Was Niskanen a bad pickup? He's 5 years older and still played high level while with the Flyers.

What? How do you figure? We get a solid D regardless of his health issues. He's 30 years old and still playing at a top level. Where is this decline? It hasnt happened yet. Was Niskanen a bad pickup? He's 5 years older and still played high level while with the Flyers.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

He is playing?

not sure how much stock i put in this. fletch was the one who waived and then later paid to trade him. not AV.
- Peter Richards

Yeah. That doesn’t make sense to me but Friedman is usually quite reliable. By mid last season the wheels were falling off. I can’t imagine teams lining up to overpay for ghost, us saying no and then putting him on waivers? I’d have to look at the timelines more closely but sounds off.

What? How do you figure? We get a solid D regardless of his health issues. He's 30 years old and still playing at a top level. Where is this decline? It hasnt happened yet. Was Niskanen a bad pickup? He's 5 years older and still played high level while with the Flyers.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Hey, do not wreck his argument. He is always going on about "aging" but didnt hear him say that about Couts when Couts resigned.

What? How do you figure? We get a solid D regardless of his health issues. He's 30 years old and still playing at a top level. Where is this decline? It hasnt happened yet. Was Niskanen a bad pickup? He's 5 years older and still played high level while with the Flyers.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Hasn't happened yet? Why did Nashville trade a 30 year old RH legit top pairing defenseman for Patrick and Myers? Explain that to me?
Niskanen was never a risk to be a long term cap anchor with an injury history.