Whatever game he is supposed to return. Let’s wait an additional two games. Just being safe.
- Peter Richards

games or weeks

This has nothing to do with Couturier. An NHL team doesn't need multiple top defenseman? You tap danced around the question and did not at all answer why Nashville traded a 30 year top pairing RH defenseman. GM's are know to make mistakes. It seems as though you're not willing to consider that the Flyers GM made a mistake. Again, why did Nashville make that deal for that return? They couldn't get a better deal for a top pairing RH defenseman? Why couldn't they? Bottom line, Nashville wanted out from the contract as he is a risk moving forward. They couldn't get a better deal than that because of that future cap risk. I don't have much faith that he will stay healthy through the life of the contract. With the situation the Flyers are in, it is not a risk they should've taken either.
- MJL

It has everything to do with Couturier. If Ellis is declining at 30 years old on a 5 year contract why is Couturier any different at 29 years for 8 years? You are the one tap dancing my friend. I answered your question Nashville replaced him and didnt want to pay 6+ mill for another Dman. They kept the younger player. Lets also not forget no cap was retained which was probably an obstacle for NSH

There is no risk. Its an under 35 contract. He can retire today and it wouldnt affect us cap wise. The return wasnt bad. They got a young top 4 potential Dman at 24 years old. Whether he gets there is still up in the air. Patrick is still a #2 overall pick at 22 years old. They flipped him for another prospect that is behind schedule. Every GM has an opinion. One GM can like Myers and another can not like him.

You keep asking why yet the only acceptable answers for you are your own. Yet if I ask you a question its tap dancing around. I have no issues with the Ellis trade. If you want to talk Ristolainen trade I'd say we over payed but I still like him as a 2nd pair Dman.

It was discussed when the trade happened that Nashville had D waiting to take the next step. Nashville was probably more about getting rid of the salary/cap and take on another D for depth for injury or player taking a step back. I don't know what Myers is going to turn out to be but to early to say he's not going to be an NHL defensemen.
- rayc16

Nhl defenseman. Yeah probably. That elite shut down d man they wanted us to believe. No.

Except 1) Flyers brought it Gustafsson (which didn't work out), creating a redundancy. Made no logical sense to say Ghost was unavailable only to waived him a few weeks later. 2) Right after the Ghost trade to Arizona, Chuck explicitly said they'd tried other avenues right up to the expansion draft.
- bmeltzer

Thanks for the info

games or weeks
- wcorvette

At this point I’m comfortable with either.

It has everything to do with Couturier. If Ellis is declining at 30 years old on a 5 year contract why is Couturier any different at 29 years for 8 years? You are the one tap dancing my friend. I answered your question Nashville replaced him and didnt want to pay 6+ mill for another Dman. They kept the younger player. Lets also not forget no cap was retained which was probably an obstacle for NS



There is no risk. Its an under 35 contract. He can retire today and it wouldnt affect us cap wise. The return wasnt bad. They got a young top 4 potential Dman at 24 years old. Whether he gets there is still up in the air. Patrick is still a #2 overall pick at 22 years old. They flipped him for another prospect that is behind schedule. Every GM has an opinion. One GM can like Myers and another can not like him.

You keep asking why yet the only acceptable answers for you are your own. Yet if I ask you a question its tap dancing around. I have no issues with the Ellis trade. If you want to talk Ristolainen trade I'd say we over payed but I still like him as a 2nd pair Dman.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

You aren't making any sense. Ekholm was already on the team so he is not a replacement for Ellis. Ekholm is older! LMAO
The worry about Ellis is not retirement. What are you talking about?


They aren't even playing Myers and sent the other guy to the minors. Again, this is the best you can get for a top pairing RH defenseman? One of the hardest players to obtain? The reason why is because of his contract and injury risk! That simple. You make that kind of deal if you think he is the missing piece for a Cup run. Not when you're a team in the Flyers position. Fletcher was foolish.

Your entire post is fantasy and inaccuracies.

You aren't making any sense. Ekholm was already on the team so he is not a replacement for Ellis. Ekholm is older! LMAO
The worry about Ellis is not retirement. What are you talking about?


They aren't even playing Myers and sent the other guy to the minors. Again, this is the best you can get for a top pairing RH defenseman? One of the hardest players to obtain? The reason why is because of his contract and injury risk! That simple. You make that kind of deal if you think he is the missing piece for a Cup run. Not when you're a team in the Flyers position. Fletcher was foolish.

Your entire post is fantasy and inaccuracies.
- MJL

OK I was wrong about his age however 30/31 is not old still. I considered Ekholm a replacement because he moved up in the lineup and took Ellis' spot when he was hurt and after they moved him. Remember the same guy you didnt want PHI to get because he isnt a top pair DMan yet the same GM who you think is trying to get rid of Ellis decided Ekholm was a #2 guy.

In 4 games while a small sample size Ellis had 5 points. Not exactly a sign of a decline....

Ekholm is 31 (32 in May)
Ellis is 30 (31 in January)

Ekholm's new contract starts next season. A $6.25 cap hit. The same as Ellis.

Ekholm's expires in 2025/26. One year before Ellis.

Basically:

The Pred's believe Ekholm will age better than Ellis as both deals end when each player hits 36.

They chose Ekholm to keep and resign and Ellis to move out.....

Apologies for breaking up the negativity but great to hear that Allison looks like he’s back on track. Wonder where he’ll slot in once he returns. Love that guys game.
- Hextall271

Me too!! I am so excited to see Allison in full form. I like his personality that goes along with his game. The guy just seems like a leader while also being laid back and just enjoying the game.Im as huge of a fan of his as I am of the destroyer. Talent aside these two prospects/guys are my two favorite to follow and watch. I hope Allison comes back strong and his game picks right back up

We don't know if "nobody" wanted him because there could have been teams who could have been interested had they the cap dollars available, either when he was on waivers thing or on the trade block.

Seattle was also reluctant to pick up many players w/ dollars + term remaining.

But we know people are gonna keep trotting out the "nobody" line because it takes the least amount of brain cells to compute.
- Tomahawk

If Ghost turnsout to be a 3rd pairing guy, then your pov doesn't really have much bite. We let a 3rd pairing guy go. Who cares?

So, he has to be a top 4 guy, which is more suired to his skillset anyway. For that level, his contract was hardly prohibitive, especially given it had just 2 more years to go. Not only did no one take it on twice, including off-season, a team taking on bloated contracts of over-the-hill players to tank still needed an inducement to take Ghost on.

I am sympathetic to your perspective about this in general but in Ghost's case, the evidence is overwhelming that nobody wanted him.

(Btw, he also, he has slowed down sharply: 1G 3A -4 in the last 10)

Ekholm is 31 (32 in May)
Ellis is 30 (31 in January)

Ekholm's new contract starts next season. A $6.25 cap hit. The same as Ellis.

Ekholm's expires in 2025/26. One year before Ellis.

Basically:

The Pred's believe Ekholm will age better than Ellis as both deals end when each player hits 36.

They chose Ekholm to keep and resign and Ellis to move out.....
- Captain_Ahab

Or they thought they could get a better package for a RHD

There is only one way out of this, and that is to pull for this team to keep losing.
- StepfordSam

The way I see it, Comcast doest really care which way you pull as long your hand is on the rope (pardon the mangled metaphor) and game outcomes are hardly affected by what fans wish it to be. So, there is no reason to tune on a game and wish they lose. Feels weird anyway.

A better way to go might be to just reduce your consumption of all things Flyers by 20%. 20% less games watched (live or tv), merchandise bought, etc. etc. If revenue from the year dropped by 20%, even if team is competitive, that would have a far bigger impact than angry letters to fire Dave Scott (which will just be chuckled over by the admin staff before being shredded).

OK I was wrong about his age however 30/31 is not old still. I considered Ekholm a replacement because he moved up in the lineup and took Ellis' spot when he was hurt and after they moved him. Remember the same guy you didnt want PHI to get because he isnt a top pair DMan yet the same GM who you think is trying to get rid of Ellis decided Ekholm was a #2 guy.

In 4 games while a small sample size Ellis had 5 points. Not exactly a sign of a decline....
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

You seem to suggest replacement is the same as thing as saying comparable player. When Ellis was healthy, he played with Josi the vast majority of the time. Meaning when both are available, Ellis was considered better than Ekholm as RHD.

Yet, when the time came to make a choice, they chose a similar guy, for similar salary, and let the 'better' player go for peanuts. The evidence is circumstantial but it is a tad unusual though, you have to agree. While this groin strain might be a new incident, maybe their in-house medical staff was seeing Ellis take a long time to recover from injuries, getting injured more than what was warranted etc. Meaning there was evidence the guy was breaking down and was a contract risk.

OK I was wrong about his age however 30/31 is not old still. I considered Ekholm a replacement because he moved up in the lineup and took Ellis' spot when he was hurt and after they moved him. Remember the same guy you didnt want PHI to get because he isnt a top pair DMan yet the same GM who you think is trying to get rid of Ellis decided Ekholm was a #2 guy.

In 4 games while a small sample size Ellis had 5 points. Not exactly a sign of a decline....
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

You don't have the facts. Ellis is RH and Ekholm is LH. Ellis played with Josi last year. Fabbro is playing with Josi this year. They did not re-sign Ekholm as the replacement for Ellis. Ekholm is playing with Carrier and Benning primarily on the 2nd pairing this season.

If Ghost turnsout to be a 3rd pairing guy, then your pov doesn't really have much bite. We let a 3rd pairing guy go. Who cares?

So, he has to be a top 4 guy, which is more suired to his skillset anyway. For that level, his contract was hardly prohibitive, especially given it had just 2 more years to go. Not only did no one take it on twice, including off-season, a team taking on bloated contracts of over-the-hill players to tank still needed an inducement to take Ghost on.

I am sympathetic to your perspective about this in general but in Ghost's case, the evidence is overwhelming that nobody wanted him.

(Btw, he also, he has slowed down sharply: 1G 3A -4 in the last 10)
- PT21

Somebody wanted him and took him. Not so overwhelming. There were also reports of other teams interested in the player. We're in a flat cap environment. With some players, you're going to have to do things to move them. Its not a question of teams not wanting the player. Its a question of cost and making a deal.

games or weeks
- wcorvette

At this point I’m comfortable with either.

If Ghost turnsout to be a 3rd pairing guy, then your pov doesn't really have much bite. We let a 3rd pairing guy go. Who cares?

So, he has to be a top 4 guy, which is more suired to his skillset anyway. For that level, his contract was hardly prohibitive, especially given it had just 2 more years to go. Not only did no one take it on twice, including off-season, a team taking on bloated contracts of over-the-hill players to tank still needed an inducement to take Ghost on.

I am sympathetic to your perspective about this in general but in Ghost's case, the evidence is overwhelming that nobody wanted him.

(Btw, he also, he has slowed down sharply: 1G 3A -4 in the last 10)
- PT21

Spot on. Can’t argue with this.

Somebody wanted him and took him. Not so overwhelming. There were also reports of other teams interested in the player. We're in a flat cap environment. With some players, you're going to have to do things to move them. Its not a question of teams not wanting the player. Its a question of cost and making a deal.
- MJL

Incorrect. They wanted the payment. They were willing to accept the player with the payment. Completely different. Do you remember the cost the other two teams were willing to take? Posted it earlier today.

Somebody wanted him and took him. Not so overwhelming. There were also reports of other teams interested in the player. We're in a flat cap environment. With some players, you're going to have to do things to move them. Its not a question of teams not wanting the player. Its a question of cost and making a deal.
- MJL

In life, something happens. Except when it doesn't. Some guys are tall. Others, well, are not. Its not about HOW to do something. Its also WHEN you do it. These are the modern times. It's no point saying it is not. Its a question of understanding when the time is right to make a deal. And when it's not.

In life, something happens. Except when it doesn't. Some guys are tall. Others, well, are not. Its not about HOW to do something. Its also WHEN you do it. These are the modern times. Its no point syaing they are not. Its a question of understanding when the time is right to make a deal. And when it's not.
- PT21

Nice effort but a failure.

Nice effort but a failure.

- MJL

Thats probably what your mom's obstetrician said.

Hopefully w/o the thumbs up, though.

Or they thought they could get a better package for a RHD
- bradster

No.

Patrick has little value. He missed an entire season, came back the next year and scored only 4 goals in 52 games. That's bad. That's why he was quickly flipped for Glass. Who struggled in Vegas, played only 2 games for the Preds, and then sent down to the AHL. His injury history also points him in the direction of a shorter career.

Myers is a flawed defenseman who is often a healthy scratch. Only 9 games played this season with 0 points. He is a $2.5 cap hit which saves the Preds almost $4 million in cap space when compared to Ellis' contract. Plus Myers has only 1 more year on his contract compared to Ellis' 5 years after this.

No.

Patrick has little value. He missed an entire season, came back the next year and scored only 4 goals in 52 games. That's bad. That's why he was quickly flipped for Glass. Who struggled in Vegas, played only 2 games for the Preds, and then sent down to the AHL. His injury history also points him in the direction of a shorter career.

Myers is a flawed defenseman who is often a healthy scratch. Only 9 games played this season with 0 points. He is a $2.5 cap hit which saves the Preds almost $4 million in cap space when compared to Ellis' contract. Plus Myers has only 1 more year on his contract compared to Ellis' 5 years after this.
- Captain_Ahab

I get why Nashville made the trade. There was also talk about Weber cap complications as well. That has settled for now I’m guessing.

Or they thought they could get a better package for a RHD
- bradster

Why would they think this? Ryan Ellis’ injury history isn’t new information.

Thats probably what your mom's obstetrician said.

Hopefully w/o the thumbs up, though.
- PT21

Stay classy PT21. This ranks right up there with the time that you tried to use my Father's passing against me. I've never said something like that to you or anyone else. True colors of a person always come out.