I think the issue that people have with Dach is that they expect too much too soon.
- Ogilthorpe2

My issue with Dach is I don t see hockey sense, which was supposed to be one of his assets.

I think the issue that people have with Dach is that they expect too much too soon.
- Ogilthorpe2

Agreed, people need to focus on him without the puck. He does many things very well especially defensively. He's playing better defense than some of those defenseman that were drafted after him. Had the setback with the wrist, had to just get the strength back he lost because of it. 20 years old and all that talent, the brain just needs to catch up to the speed and tendencies of the NHL.

Entwistle back on the ice.

Murphy and McCabe both skating as well.

C. Jones out with non-COVID illness

I still don't get R Johnson being on this team...

Hagel-Toews-Kane
DeBrincat-Dach-Strome
Kubalik-Borgstrom-RJohnson
Carpenter-Slavin-Khaira
Entwistle & Hardman

de Haan-SJones
McCabe-Murphy
Stillman-Gustafsson
Mitchell

Agreed, people need to focus on him without the puck. He does many things very well especially defensively. He's playing better defense than some of those defenseman that were drafted after him. Had the setback with the wrist, had to just get the strength back he lost because of it. 20 years old and all that talent, the brain just needs to catch up to the speed and tendencies of the NHL.
- BetweenTheDots

I think if he keeps shooting like he did last game, those numbers are going to start to go up. It will create more rebound chances for others as well.

I'm not making any proclamations about his skills/attributes at 20.

I think that the issue people have with Dach is that he isn't a build around guy he is a contributing guy.

Probably going to be (already is for the most part) a productive player but maybe not the centerpiece to a dynasty. First line center on a bad team, second line center or contributing wing on a good team. A taller Philip Danault may be a decent projection.

At least it wasn't a complete miss. Who knows maybe he will show something totally and completely unexpected that he has never shown in his career.

Not having a first from 15 or 16 kind of hurts now. I guess that shows how valuable being able to throw crap on the wall for something to stick can be.

It'll be interesting to see if they do anything before the holiday. At any rate, it isn't a completely frustrating team to watch which is nice and hopefully we get a look at ze German and Nylander at some point to see what is there.
- fattybeef

'15 especially with as deep as that draft went in round 1 (Boston with the big miss')
In '16 not having a first rounder didn't hurt them as much, may have even benefitted them seeing as how it worked out. Their original pick was #22, and at that point they may have not drafted Debrincat, heck people thought he was a stretch at #38

I don't think Toews has a lot of value - especially at his salary - for any team. He would have to go to a contender at a reduced role and as a locker room type guy. Dunno what you get back for that.

Mitchell has been touted as the next Duncan Keith since they drafted him. We'll see.

Trevor Zegras looks like a player and was taken after Dach. Byram and Seider as well. Like I mentioned in the other post - at the end of the day - they got a useful NHL player that may not be a centerpiece but a very good and useful player - who is already a good and useful player.

IF Toews was on pace for 50ish points and Kubalik on pace for 25 goals then we probably wouldn't be too disappointed with Dach. But since only Kane and Debrincat are consistent threats it makes Dach not being a goal scoring machine stand out more than it should.
- fattybeef

Yeah, Zegras looks good, Byram has had some moments, and I think Seider may turn out to be the best of them when all said and done. At this point though, you can't say Zegras would have been a better pick. At the time, the Hawks weren't gonna draft a D man after going D heavy the previous few years. Turcotte was the consensus for many, and he still hasn't cracked the NHL yet.

My issue with Dach is I don t see hockey sense, which was supposed to be one of his assets.
- LAHawk

With the exception of passing up on obvious shooting opportunities, I couldn’t disagree more.

With the exception of passing up on obvious shooting opportunities, I couldn’t disagree more.
- Ogilthorpe2

He rarely makes a pass when he should, he ends up passing when he has to. Also watch his positioning in front of the net. Just like there are good rebounders in basketball because they have the sense of where the ball is coming off the rim, Dach is never in position to get to the rebound. I only hope Dach tops out as Phil Danault, I mostly see Charlie Coyle.

Entwistle back on the ice.

Murphy and McCabe both skating as well.

C. Jones out with non-COVID illness

I still don't get R Johnson being on this team...

Hagel-Toews-Kane
DeBrincat-Dach-Strome
Kubalik-Borgstrom-RJohnson
Carpenter-Slavin-Khaira
Entwistle & Hardman

de Haan-SJones
McCabe-Murphy
Stillman-Gustafsson
Mitchell
- Chunk

I don’t either, especially on the third line, no business being there whatsoever. I want to see Borgstrom and Kubalik with a decent RW, I believe that line can produce some offense (with a new RW)and also be responsible defensively. A guy like Bickell would be perfect for that line.

With the exception of passing up on obvious shooting opportunities, I couldn’t disagree more.
- Ogilthorpe2

My issue with Dach is:

(1) He's 20, with the equivalent of a little more than one year's experience in the pro game - need to give him much more time than he's had so far. I think a stint at Rockford would be beneficial - that apparently isn't going to happen.

(2) As far as his 20 year old play - my main issue is that when he's leading the rush with the puck, he doesn't seem to look for options - or recognize them when they are out there - he holds the puck and keeps going forward into a double / triple teaming danger area. He needs to look for the options, know when to find his teammates, know more when and when not to skate into pressure. I'm not so concerned about his shooting skills - the whole team lacks them - as with his decision making on the ice. Hopefully, it's an experience issue that he can improve on over time.

I think the issue that people have with Dach is that they expect too much too soon.
- Ogilthorpe2

This is correct.

Hope you're well, Ogi. Have you started menu planning for the holidays? Paulie wants to copy....

This is correct.

Hope you're well, Ogi. Have you started menu planning for the holidays? Paulie wants to copy....
- mohel

With the exception of my Christmas Ale, which is just about ready to transfer to the keg, I haven’t really started yet. Soon.

He rarely makes a pass when he should, he ends up passing when he has to. Also watch his positioning in front of the net. Just like there are good rebounders in basketball because they have the sense of where the ball is coming off the rim, Dach is never in position to get to the rebound. I only hope Dach tops out as Phil Danault, I mostly see Charlie Coyle.
- LAHawk

He is 20 years old. How about we give him a few years and see how he plays when he fills out. I don't get the hockey IQ bashing. He plays a very responsible game defensively. The offense will come. He will be a 60-70 pt top 6 center.

He is 6'4" and long. High center of gravity and plays with a really long stick. At this point he doesn't have the strength to shield the puck from grown ass men playing in the NHL. He is not going to out quick guys at his size.

Remember when Toews showed up to the NHL he already had an NHL body.... built like a tank.

Joe Thorton (same size as Dach) really didn't get going until his 3rd season in the NHL. How about we give Dach another season or 2 before we write him off as being Danualt or Coyle.

He is 20 years old. How about we give him a few years and see how he plays when he fills out. I don't get the hockey IQ bashing. He plays a very responsible game defensively. The offense will come. He will be a 60-70 pt top 6 center.

He is 6'4" and long. High center of gravity and plays with a really long stick. At this point he doesn't have the strength to shield the puck from grown ass men playing in the NHL. He is not going to out quick guys at his size.

Remember when Toews showed up to the NHL he already had an NHL body.... built like a tank.

Joe Thorton (same size as Dach) really didn't get going until his 3rd season in the NHL. How about we give Dach another season or 2 before we write him off as being Danualt or Coyle.
- bhawks2241

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Hope y all are right and I am wrong, but I don’t see it at all, and haven’t since last year.

'15 especially with as deep as that draft went in round 1 (Boston with the big miss')
In '16 not having a first rounder didn't hurt them as much, may have even benefitted them seeing as how it worked out. Their original pick was #22, and at that point they may have not drafted Debrincat, heck people thought he was a stretch at #38
- TheTrob

JJ thought DeBrincat was a stretch even questioned his skating and attitude. I took him to task for that saw a few Otters games and Cat stood out in each one. I saw him and was like, “ no way this kid won’t make the NHL and I’m pretty sure he’s gonna be good”. It was by far bowmans finest moment as GM regarding the draft.

JJ thought DeBrincat was a stretch even questioned his skating and attitude. I took him to task for that saw a few Otters games and Cat stood out in each one. I saw him and was like, “ no way this kid won’t make the NHL and I’m pretty sure he’s gonna be good”. It was by far bowmans finest moment as GM regarding the draft.
- kwolf68

Dcat also worked his tail off and is now a better more explosive skater.

D. Strome - we haven't seen him improve his game at all. You can make yourself a more explosive athlete. He hasn't.

It will be interesting to see how Dach improves. Added strength and explosiveness will really help his game.

Dcat also worked his tail off and is now a better more explosive skater.

D. Strome - we haven't seen him improve his game at all. You can make yourself a more explosive athlete. He hasn't.

It will be interesting to see how Dach improves. Added strength and explosiveness will really help his game.
- bhawks2241

True. I think Strome will just be who he is, a slow footed guy with good instincts and vision who can setup good plays.

Dach is still a work in progress. His last game was promising I thought.

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Hope y all are right and I am wrong, but I don’t see it at all, and haven’t since last year.
- LAHawk

It’s just amusing that after 100 games spread over 3 seasons you’re writing off a 20 year old who shouldn’t even be in the NHL yet.

Plus, bigger guys who are expected to play more of a power game, often take more time to find their way in the bigs.

Yeah, Zegras looks good, Byram has had some moments, and I think Seider may turn out to be the best of them when all said and done. At this point though, you can't say Zegras would have been a better pick. At the time, the Hawks weren't gonna draft a D man after going D heavy the previous few years. Turcotte was the consensus for many, and he still hasn't cracked the NHL yet.
- TheTrob

Exactly. They went for the safe definitely going to be a decent NHL player pick instead of higher risk vs reward like they did with Boqvist. Which is fine.

Entwistle back on the ice.

Murphy and McCabe both skating as well.

C. Jones out with non-COVID illness

I still don't get R Johnson being on this team...

Hagel-Toews-Kane
DeBrincat-Dach-Strome
Kubalik-Borgstrom-RJohnson
Carpenter-Slavin-Khaira
Entwistle & Hardman

de Haan-SJones
McCabe-Murphy
Stillman-Gustafsson
Mitchell
- Chunk

Re :Your comment why is R Johnson on thus hickey team

I surmise that Johnson is a favorite of King. Scrappy hard nosed. Hits and competes. A player who knows what he needs to do to keep a job.

It will be interesting whether Johnson and Hardman retain a job next season. Both appear AHL bound. It is not long into next season I expect Entwhistle, Slavin, Altybarmaken, Barret, and Slaggert to surpass him. Slaggert makes the team out of camp, or little AHL if he turns pro.

True. I think Strome will just be who he is, a slow footed guy with good instincts and vision who can setup good plays.

Dach is still a work in progress. His last game was promising I thought.
- kwolf68

The disappointing thing with Strome is you can see there is a very high level of skill there and creativity.

The problem is he isn't the biggest kid over matching other kids anymore. If he's going to be slower (which he is no matter how much speed work he does), he needs to have some more lead in his ass to impose his will physically if his legs can't do it and his first two strides should be quick and powerful so he can create a bit of separation.

As a player, how you don't notice that is beyond me.

I'm usually not a gross weight guy but in his case - being 6'3 - he should be 215-220 not an even 200 (which maybe he weighs with all his gear on).

JJ thought DeBrincat was a stretch even questioned his skating and attitude. I took him to task for that saw a few Otters games and Cat stood out in each one. I saw him and was like, “ no way this kid won’t make the NHL and I’m pretty sure he’s gonna be good”. It was by far bowmans finest moment as GM regarding the draft.
- kwolf68

That was fun btw

I don't think ole' JJ could get past the fact that AD was only 5'7". In addition to skating and attitude, ability to win puck battles and figured he wouldn't be able to find soft spots in NHL defenses like he was in juniors were all questioned.

This is correct.

Hope you're well, Ogi. Have you started menu planning for the holidays? Paulie wants to copy....
- mohel

It’s OK I have already included a disclaimer in our invitations advising the dinner won’t be as good as Ogi’s.

That was fun btw

I don't think ole' JJ could get past the fact that AD was only 5'7". In addition to skating and attitude, ability to win puck battles and figured he wouldn't be able to find soft spots in NHL defenses like he was in juniors were all questioned.
- HawkintheD

JJ could always count on Bob for advice and rumours.

True. I think Strome will just be who he is, a slow footed guy with good instincts and vision who can setup good plays.

Dach is still a work in progress. His last game was promising I thought.
- kwolf68

If Strome plays with a little more jam, like the last couple of games, he may be able to overcome his skating deficiencies. The trouble is he tends to revert back to old habits when he’s comfortable.

I hope Dach is given time to get his game going. He has lots of attributes I like, what’s lacking can be overcome with coaching and should have been addressed before he ever played a game for the Blackhawks.