He cant be more than a 6th or 7th rd pick right?
- ImThatGuy

Conditional 8th round pick

The league has changed from just a few years ago. While I agree that you have to build through the draft, it has become more challenging to build a contender due to lack of bridge deals. Without bridge deals, these top heavy teams lack depth, which is imperative to have as you grind your way through four rounds in the playoffs.

He cant be more than a 6th or 7th rd pick right?
- ImThatGuy

Krebs!

And that’s why the business side prevents a proper rebuild. Can you imagine how empty the building would be if the hawks were to properly rebuild and continue to develop young guys in the AHL and in junior? If I could answer your question I’d be making millions as the GM instead of flipping burgers and salting fries for minimum wage.
- paulr

Like Detroit the last few years? Detroit brings up an interesting case. Joe Veleno. From what I've read, he had a similar scouting report to Dach. He spent more time in Junior and the AHL (and Sweden for some reason) and he's in about the same position - development wise - as Dach and a year older.

I'm not saying this as a argument against this path, but back to my question of how do you decide when they are ready to bring up.

The league has changed from just a few years ago. While I agree that you have to build through the draft, it has become more challenging to build a contender due to lack of bridge deals. Without bridge deals, these top heavy teams lack depth, which is imperative to have as you grind your way through four rounds in the playoffs.
- Angotti

Say what you will about how poopty of a person Stan was, he got ADB on a $6.4M bridge deal for a guy that already had a 40 goal season vs. a guy like Hughes who has less production and got $8 X 8 with only the pedigree of being the 1st overall.

Conditional 8th round pick
- DarthKane

future considerations

https://www.nhl.com/sabre...ckhawks-trade/c-328557450

future considerations

https://www.nhl.com/sabre...ckhawks-trade/c-328557450
- bhawk1s

The Hawks are racking up those future considerations. I can't wait until they collect from BUF and Vegas. They'll be unstoppable!

Like Detroit the last few years? Detroit brings up an interesting case. Joe Veleno. From what I've read, he had a similar scouting report to Dach. He spent more time in Junior and the AHL (and Sweden for some reason) and he's in about the same position - development wise - as Dach and a year older.

I'm not saying this as a argument against this path, but back to my question of how do you decide when they are ready to bring up.
- Chunk

Ability and toughness to play against men. All the skills at, or close, to NHL level, skating, puck skills, shot, defensive awareness and ability.

The Hawks are racking up those future considerations. I can't wait until they collect from BUF and Vegas. They'll be unstoppable!
- Chunk

I've got hunch that Fluery may have been our Vegas future considerations.

Sorry for jumping the to the next step but I got what you were driving at. After mentoring some players in junior and the AHL I’d like to see if he can possibly earn himself a spot in the NHL preferably with Chicago.
- paulr

From Ben Pope:
The legendary former Hawks defenseman, who unofficially retired in March but is still technically under contract with the Lightning through 2024, debuted behind the bench Wednesday during the Giants’ 5-3 win over the Kelowna Rockets.

“I’m grateful to the Vancouver Giants ownership, management staff, and the Tampa Bay Lightning for allowing me this opportunity to give back to the game,” Seabrook said in a statement. “I’m looking forward to being part of the great culture the Giants have created and I can’t wait to get started.”

I've got hunch that Fluery may have been our Vegas future considerations.
- bhawk1s

Really? They needed to dump his contract (or have way too much cash tied up in goalies). The Hawks only sent Hakkarainen the other way, and they didn't even want him.

Blackhawks beat reporters are now saying that Stillman is a game-time decision tonight and de Haan could likely suit up this weekend in one of the New York games.
- Theo Fox

If deHaan plays i sure hope he can stay on the right side of the puck in the 1st minute of the game tonight if he's paired again with Seth Jones.

Really? They needed to dump his contract (or have way too much cash tied up in goalies). The Hawks only sent Hakkarainen the other way, and they didn't even want him.
- Chunk

Well they could have given him to anyone who would take him, and they chose us.

If deHaan plays i sure hope he can stay on the right side of the puck in the 1st minute of the game tonight if he's paired again with Seth Jones.
- BetweenTheDots

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The league has changed from just a few years ago. While I agree that you have to build through the draft, it has become more challenging to build a contender due to lack of bridge deals. Without bridge deals, these top heavy teams lack depth, which is imperative to have as you grind your way through four rounds in the playoffs.
- Angotti

For sure, I'm surprised Hughes got the deal he did from NJ.

If deHaan plays i sure hope he can stay on the right side of the puck in the 1st minute of the game tonight if he's paired again with Seth Jones.
- BetweenTheDots

Other than for a short period of time when he played well a couple of years ago when Keith was out injured, deHaan has not only been oft-injured, when he is on the ice he has been terrible. Luckily his contract runs out after this season. I don't envision anyone giving up much, if anything for him.

Say what you will about how poopty of a person Stan was, he got ADB on a $6.4M bridge deal for a guy that already had a 40 goal season vs. a guy like Hughes who has less production and got $8 X 8 with only the pedigree of being the 1st overall.
- Chunk

I agree Chunk, I was always pro Stan, was he perfect? No he wasn’t, but I’ll take cups in hand vs a good farm system, although I’d like to have both. I also believe that he was pushed in other directions by upper management, whether it was McD or Rocky.

Well they could have given him to anyone who would take him, and they chose us.
- bhawk1s

Fair. Then again, that could've just been bad Stan at work needing a vet tender to try and win this year.

I'll defer to your point.

Other than for a short period of time when he played well a couple of years ago when Keith was out injured, deHaan has not only been oft-injured, when he is on the ice he has been terrible. Luckily his contract runs out after this season. I don't envision anyone giving up much, if anything for him.
- TheTrob

When he is responsible of where he is and where the puck is on the ice i have no problem with him. Little pricy but as you said, last year of his contract.

I agree Chunk, I was always pro Stan, was he perfect? No he wasn’t, but I’ll take cups in hand vs a good farm system, although I’d like to have both. I also believe that he was pushed in other directions by upper management, whether it was McD or Rocky.
- Angotti

I’ll take the cups too. In hindsight I think management/ownership needed to have a plan to rebuild before all player assets lost their value. It’s easy for me, or anyone, to say break up the nucleus and start rebuilding but much harder for the GM to make that decision. But it is something all owners/GM will have to plan for otherwise it will take years to rebuild into a contender.

Well, on the flip side Detroit looks to have some very good prospects.....
- powerenforcer

8 years and counting.

I agree Chunk, I was always pro Stan, was he perfect? No he wasn’t, but I’ll take cups in hand vs a good farm system, although I’d like to have both. I also believe that he was pushed in other directions by upper management, whether it was McD or Rocky.
- Angotti

While I don't discount the upper management angle, at the end of the day, he is responsible for the moves he made. You can work under the pretext of what mgmt wants and still not make poopty deals.

Giving Seabrook 8 years at that number was simply stupid. The Sharp trade with Dallas for some toe jam and a used #2 pencil was poop as well. He made some really good moves too though, so your point is accurate. I'll watch with interest going at what they do with the FO and the roster.

Like Detroit it’s going to take Chicago a long time to rebuild. As we’ve discussed ad nauseam, the Hawks currently have almost nothing. Two aging stars with their best days behind them. A defenseman who is too old to build around. A decent winger who can score. A nice gritty depth winger. A center trying to find his way and a few prospects. The only way to rebuild is methodically through the draft and having the discipline not to take short cuts.
- paulr

That takes more luck than skill. Projecting 18 year olds is far from an exact science.

When he is responsible of where he is and where the puck is on the ice i have no problem with him. Little pricy but as you said, last year of his contract.
- BetweenTheDots

What is more common, him being in correct position or out of position? If his performance is, or starts to lean, toward the latter, then he'll be out soon. It sounds like he is ailing once again so he's out at least for tonight. If the Hawks can get some of these younger guys (C. Jones, Kalynuk) going, they can afford to sit him for longer so that he can get back to being his good self.

That takes more luck than skill.
- rpeters01

There’s definitely a certain amount of luck involved in rebuilding through the draft and stocking up on prospects and draft picks.

How is a team built through skill?