I was totally on board with his comment, cant expect different results bringing the same guys back. Didn't make sense to me at all, prob should've done it a few years sooner.
- bradster

Sure, shake things up. But you get rid of your best transition/entry player and replace him with... nothing. Who did Fletch think was gonna pick up the slack? Hayes, lol?

Why does anyone care how young a GM is?

I don’t care if they are 40 or 80. Just get the job done. Has a young, hip GM with fresh ideas won a cup? Ever?

Btw Yzerman largely responsible for Tampa’s cups.
- Joe Nardone

Yzerman was considered a "young" GM when he took over the Bolts.

Age is just a proxy here. If an old guy is willing to embrace all that is new and novel, then by all means. But so many of the old guard are the same tired gut decision makers, intangibles-loving types.

Jake and Ghost were sacrificed for the coach, as he was not capable of managing them. Chuck should have just reevaluate coaching abilities and systems before he made that decision.
- missingmike

well. imo. jake and ghost both needed a change of scenery. It happens as they were both here for a while and what has changed. Is better for both of their careers. Both right now as well are getting a bunch of their points on the PP. Yes we are struggling here, but that is on the players here. I don't think, and hte last couple years prove it, that if they were still here anything would be different. And i question how jake came across to the younger guys (yelling and criticizing, mixed with his attitude), and how ghost reacted to coaches.

we shall see how they do by the end of the year, same with how cam does for us. But in moving jake we also gained cap flexibility. I wasn't a ghost fan due to him being a defensive liability and a head case. but was surprised we had to pay to get rid of him. And wonder what the gm thinks of the hindsight view of his moves.

the change happened

change needed to happen.

having jake and ghost over Cam and RR makes no diff on where this team is at.

That being said you wasted assets on RR with less than stellar results.
- hello it's me 2050

This is fair all around. People are delusional right f they think those trades are the issue here.

Also can we stop wondering why Nashville gave up Ellis for the pile of garbage we gave them. They knew he had injury issues. We knew he had injury issues. We took a gamble and as usual they have young depth at d. The deal actually made sense. Although obviously not great when Ellis is hurt.. but you can see the logic behind it

This is fair all around. People are delusional if they think those trades are the issue here.

Also can we stop wondering why Nashville gave up Ellis for the pile of garbage we gave them. They knew he had injury issues. We knew he had injury issues. We took a gamble and as usual they have young depth at d. The deal actually made sense. Although obviously not great when Ellis is hurt.. but you can see the logic behind it
- Joe Nardone

I don't agree. No issue them hiring him at the time.
- hello it's me 2050

Hiring Hextall was fine, but he only had himself to blame for getting fired. The Flyers were 24th in the league when he was let go. The Flyers are 24th in the league again today.

I know all teams miss on picks. i understand all that. But if we are in this draft and develop past of the rebuild, don't you need to be getting more from those higher picks?
- J35Bacher

if its a draft and develop strategy, the goal should be higher picks, not picking in the teens to 20s. Its was a half baked plan.

well. imo. jake and ghost both needed a change of scenery. It happens as they were both here for a while and what has changed. Is better for both of their careers. Both right now as well are getting a bunch of their points on the PP. Yes we are struggling here, but that is on the players here. I don't think, and hte last couple years prove it, that if they were still here anything would be different. And i question how jake came across to the younger guys (yelling and criticizing, mixed with his attitude), and how ghost reacted to coaches.

we shall see how they do by the end of the year, same with how cam does for us. But in moving jake we also gained cap flexibility. I wasn't a ghost fan due to him being a defensive liability and a head case. but was surprised we had to pay to get rid of him. And wonder what the gm thinks of the hindsight view of his moves.

the change happened

change needed to happen.
- Peter Richards

Changing from Ghost to Yandle made the defense worse, and the offense much worse. KY has completely fallen off a cliff, but the team is basically forced to keep playing him because of the streak. Even if Ellis was healthy and York and Zamula were playing great, we'd still be getting Yandle every night even though he has no points and is -9 in the last 16 games.

if its a draft and develop strategy, the goal should be higher picks, not picking in the teens to 20s. Its was a half baked plan.
- bradster

I agree.

Last night:

NYR
Dryden Hunt - 7 shifts, 6:07 TOI, 1 hit

PHI
6’1” Laughton - 24 shifts, 19:46 TOI, 1 hit,
6’3” JVR - 21 shifts, 18:28 TOI, 0 hits
6’5” Hayes - 22 shifts, 19:49 TOI, 0 hits

Frost & G 0 hits

Coots & MacEwen only forwards with more than 1 hit.

Too easy to play against ZERO forcheck. Not one opposing NHL defenseman has to look over his shoulder when retrieving puck against us. That is not a system issue. That is 1. an effort/will/heart issue & 2. a organizational issue of too many of the same type of players.

Yzerman was considered a "young" GM when he took over the Bolts.

Age is just a proxy here. If an old guy is willing to embrace all that is new and novel, then by all means. But so many of the old guard are the same tired gut decision makers, intangibles-loving types.
- Tomahawk

Ok mid 40s is young. Fine. He spent 20 years as a winner and warrior and then a half dozen or whatever being blocked by Holland on the wings in their front office wanted to run a team and obviously did a great job before getting his dream job.

Who is out there that has that pedigree?

What new novel ideas does Fletcher not embrace?
I don’t even like the guy, but just saying they need fresh ideas is pretty vague.

How is JVR in the wrong system? He is a soft player that coasts most nights. No system fits that type of player. And what kids are they going to bring up from the AHL? They have no one down there. Other than that the world is good!
- Phillywhiteout

Spot On! JVR is completely dead weight. And there are really players that Fletcher can bring up at this point. Foerster is pretty much gone for the year, York is still in Covid protocol and Zamula is not ready. Did I miss any one?

The Rags had hits because they didn't have the puck. Lack of hits is not the Flyers problem. Lack of goals is their problem.

Look at these long term contracts:
Ex selke
Hayes
Ellis
Oscar
Laughton2
Cam

What value do they have if they even looked into trading them? Add in long term deals to TK and Joel who are just solid plyers really.

They have no forward prospects who will make an impact in at least the next 2 years imo. If they do it will be minimal as no star/elite level player out of the group. They have no center depth coming up in the system. Defense you have 2 guys who are knocking on the door then a bunch of question marks. No sure things. Solid prospects goalie wise oddly enough.

Yes this organization is in great shape to make a run the next few years. So fn dumb to resign ex selke and Laughton. Ex selke seems to have embraced the Flyers country club lifestyle with his play.
- hello it's me 2050

Just me. I think Hayes would be the hardest to move. Ellis maybe if the injuries persist. Followed by cam just due to contract length for now.

Bill Meltzer: Wrap: Losing Streak at Seven after 4-1 Loss at MSG
- bmeltzer

Watched the last half of the game on FF -- that is how bad things have gotten

Here is my message for what is wrong with the Flyers: IDK. IDC. IDGAF.

Spot On! JVR is completely dead weight. And there are really players that Fletcher can bring up at this point. Foerster is pretty much gone for the year, York is still in Covid protocol and Zamula is not ready. Did I miss any one?
- jd250

Double Down Clown,

Please regal us AGAIN on how the moves cf made in the offseason have improved the team?

Just me. I think Hayes would be the hardest to move. Ellis maybe if the injuries persist. Followed by cam just due to contract length for now.
- Peter Richards

I think Couturier is someone you keep because you have your future captain and his game can continue to assist the team through a rebuild.

Plus you have nothing in the system that does what he does on a nightly basis.

Just my opinion.

I really don't know enough about Briere's management ceiling to have an opinion on him.

I just hope whoever it is, that they separate out the President role and put somebody there with enough weight to stand up to the Comcast suits. They could really use a strong buffer between ownership and the GM.
- Tomahawk

No experience management wise in the nhl. Danny B was brought in to speak French to the Hab elites.

The Rags had hits because they didn't have the puck. Lack of hits is not the Flyers problem. Lack of goals is their problem.
- Feanor

Both are problems. When all of the Flyers players play triple the minutes of the Ranger forward & that guy still out hits 4 players combined that’s a huge issue.

Ok mid 40s is young. Fine. He spent 20 years as a winner and warrior and then a half dozen or whatever being blocked by Holland on the wings in their front office wanted to run a team and obviously did a great job before getting his dream job.

Who is out there that has that pedigree?

What new novel ideas does Fletcher not embrace?
I don’t even like the guy, but just saying they need fresh ideas is pretty vague.
- Joe Nardone

My preference would be for them to make data a main pillar of their decision making, like the Canes and Leafs do. I also wish they would spend less energy trying to collect all-around hockey players and instead focus on just finding the best, most talented, most skilled ones. Then build around that.

only a 15% chance to make the playoffs time to sell

Hiring Hextall was fine, but he only had himself to blame for getting fired. The Flyers were 24th in the league when he was let go. The Flyers are 24th in the league again today.
- Feanor

The guy fixed a mess left by Homer, who is still there. Hexy has been gone several years now and we are in the same place with generally better goaltending than he had. The veteran core of this team and Homer and Scott are the constants. Let's change them and let Cliff show what he can do. The fact that Lappy is running SWB also needs to change. Not prepared to dump AV because no coach has been able to get this group to show up consistently. Give him some new blood and let's see what happens.

Changing from Ghost to Yandle made the defense worse, and the offense much worse. KY has completely fallen off a cliff, but the team is basically forced to keep playing him because of the streak. Even if Ellis was healthy and York and Zamula were playing great, we'd still be getting Yandle every night even though he has no points and is -9 in the last 16 games.
- Feanor

While I didn’t expect him to be great. I am surprised he is not adding anything to the p p. And that was the whole reason to sign him. At the time I didn’t think it was terrible. But not impressed with yandle at all.

The guy fixed a mess left by Homer, who is still there. He has been gone several years now and we are in the same place with generally better goaltending than he had. The veteran core of this team and Homer and Scott are the constants. Let's change them and let Cliff show what he can do. The fact that Lappy is running SWB also needs to change. Not prepared to dump AV because no coach has been able to get this group to show up consistently. Give him some new blood and let's see what happens.
- iamscore2day

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