Watching the maple leafs last night, carrying the puck in, regrouping instead of dumping on line changes (avoiding giving the puck up for no reason), when they dump it in all the forwards are coming up the ice together. It’s absolutely pathetic that this coach we have hasn’t been fired, we are playing an archaic game. This organization needs to be turned upside down.
- ClaudeFather

If your personnel absolutely suck at crossing the blue line with possession, yeah... maybe you gotta dump it in more. But like you said, there actually has to be some coordinated effort to try to retrieve those dumps or at least put a lot of pressure on the dman going back for it. Flyers are just like... duh... here's the puck, now we're gonna chase you around for a few shifts.

I believed that the team could be a playoff team if things worked out. I never liked the Ellis or Ristolainen moves. Especially the latter. Ellis is a really good player but his durability gave me pause as well as wondering why Nashville would trade him. I was optimistic more than anything and I didn't quite consider the transition and puck movement issue enough. Now that I've seen it play out in conjunction with his ridiculous press conference the other day. I now no longer have faith in Fletcher. Of course calling him a bonehead is hyperbole. More than anything this just cements my opinion of how bad the Flyers organization as a whole, screwed up in firing Hextall and abandoning the patient approach that was absolutely needed.
- MJL

Nope they made the correct call firing him. Where they screwed up was hiring Fletcher.

I believed that the team could be a playoff team if things worked out. I never liked the Ellis or Ristolainen moves. Especially the latter. Ellis is a really good player but his durability gave me pause as well as wondering why Nashville would trade him. I was optimistic more than anything and I didn't quite consider the transition and puck movement issue enough. Now that I've seen it play out in conjunction with his ridiculous press conference the other day. I now no longer have faith in Fletcher. Of course calling him a bonehead is hyperbole. More than anything this just cements my opinion of how bad the Flyers organization as a whole, screwed up in firing Hextall and abandoning the patient approach that was absolutely needed.
- MJL

I dont understand why you need to bring this up several times a day. No one wanted a 15 yr plan, and his drafting was mediocre at best. Now can you go a week without bringing it up?

I believed that the team could be a playoff team if things worked out. I never liked the Ellis or Ristolainen moves. Especially the latter. Ellis is a really good player but his durability gave me pause as well as wondering why Nashville would trade him. I was optimistic more than anything and I didn't quite consider the transition and puck movement issue enough. Now that I've seen it play out in conjunction with his ridiculous press conference the other day. I now no longer have faith in Fletcher. Of course calling him a bonehead is hyperbole. More than anything this just cements my opinion of how bad the Flyers organization as a whole, screwed up in firing Hextall and abandoning the patient approach that was absolutely needed.
- MJL

This I can get behind...but I would also say that there was zero chance Fletch could say it was a tire fire and he was gutting the team...he would lose all leverage. We are only at the 1/4 pole, he still has 20 games before he has to move people and make a pivot...he also has not iced the team he put together due to injuries, but I think the writing is there if you look at what he said...it is not all injuries and he sees that being on the coaches...if the team gets most of the guys back from injury and they are still in trouble, he may pull the trigger, but it too early to publicly say that. If I was fletch, i go all in on talking to Joel Q. He is my number one target if he can come out of the mire form the mess Chicago made...the guy can coach...with a guy like torts you are getting a guy with a short shelf life, so it is another boom or bust situation...not what the Flyers need. i like the idea of bringing Pronger in as the Hockey OPS guy and Q as the coach...

I ca get on board with that very easily.
- hello it's me 2050

Me too

I dont understand why you need to bring this up several times a day. No one wanted a 15 yr plan, and his drafting was mediocre at best. Now can you go a week without bringing it up?
- bradster

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Nope they made the correct call firing him. Where they screwed up was hiring Fletcher.
- hello it's me 2050

I would say they screwed up hiring Hextall. Im sure he said his goals in his interviews were not a 15 yr rebuild. So he says going to rebuild, should take 4-5 years, and they knew after 3 he was full of crap.

Nope they made the correct call firing him. Where they screwed up was hiring Fletcher.
- hello it's me 2050

This may up being correct…if this is what Fletch thinks passes for success, you are spot on.

I would say they screwed up hiring Hextall. Im sure he said his goals in his interviews were not a 15 yr rebuild. So he says going to rebuild, should take 4-5 years, and they knew after 3 he was full of crap.
- bradster

I don't agree. No issue them hiring him at the time.

I don't agree. No issue them hiring him at the time.
- hello it's me 2050

Not if he says he has a 15 year plan

If your personnel absolutely suck at crossing the blue line with possession, yeah... maybe you gotta dump it in more. But like you said, there actually has to be some coordinated effort to try to retrieve those dumps or at least put a lot of pressure on the dman going back for it. Flyers are just like... duh... here's the puck, now we're gonna chase you around for a few shifts.
- Tomahawk

Lol the coordination of our forecheck is insane, one guy totally flat footed in the neutral zone, one guy actually in our own end, and there’s a small chance the other guy is coming with speed

Sure we did. Young players had very good years. When he took over, the prospect base was bare. It takes time to build that back up and develop players. Look at a guy like Farabee. He just started coming on last year. Frost is still not established but shows a lot of promise. Takes time.
- MJL

Farabee yes. I would include Hart as he looks to be developing. Forst we will see.

Lindblom was a good pick for the round you got him and for him to be an NHL player.

Provorvo and Konecny were good picks for where they were picking.

But there were also a lot of misses. And again I know it's hindsight but not hitting on Patrick was huge. And I would love Bill to talk about this more because I think he said there were scouts who wanted Maker and Heiskanen over Patrick at the time.

Jay O'Brien
Ratcliff
Adam Ginning
Pascal Lebarge

Those are pretty high picks that have done nothing. Also outside Lindblom, he didn't really find any of those later rounder guys that can come in a contribute.

Again we are doing this in hindsight.

Never seen this before, interesting.


Voracek in the last summer for iSport.cz:

"Not that I really wanted a change, but the debates I had with the head coach (Alain Vigneault) were such that I already thought it was worthless. I was told A, in a few days I was told B how many times I didn't even know where my head was. To be honest, I didn't really know what I was asked to do to make the coach happy. Somehow it accumulated, so I got to the stage where I thought it would be best if we looked for opportunities. This is how we agreed sometime in February or March with Chuck (Fletcher, general manager). I knew it was coming in the summer, even though I had no idea where I was going. "
- hello it's me 2050

That is interesting. It sure looks like the players are unsure what they are supposed to do. They are look hesitant whenever they have possession....hold the puck too long and then make a bad pass or just flip it up the boards

Farabee yes. I would include Hart as he looks to be developing. Forst we will see.

Lindblom was a good pick for the round you got him and for him to be an NHL player.

Provorvo and Konecny were good picks for where they were picking.

But there were also a lot of misses. And again I know it's hindsight but not hitting on Patrick was huge. And I would love Bill to talk about this more because I think he said there were scouts who wanted Maker and Heiskanen over Patrick at the time.

Jay O'Brien
Ratcliff
Adam Ginning
Pascal Lebarge

Those are pretty high picks that have done nothing. Also outside Lindblom, he didn't really find any of those later rounder guys that can come in a contribute.

Again we are doing this in hindsight.
- J35Bacher

You spelled Rubstov wrong

You spelled Rubstov wrong
- bradster

Sorry. I did miss him too.

Thanks

RIP Big Ragu

Joel Q.
- JW98FlyerFan

never

Agree. Had he stayed they still would be mismanaging him.

Jake like CC has run his course. Has nothing to do with him being a productive player.
- hello it's me 2050

Jake and Ghost were sacrificed for the coach, as he was not capable of managing them. Chuck should have just reevaluate coaching abilities and systems before he made that decision.

Was addition by subtraction tho! Culture change!!
- Tomahawk

correct. misery loves company

Sorry. I did miss him too.

Thanks
- J35Bacher

Its funny, if we didnt "win" the lottery that year, and stayed where we would've, we mostly likely have been better off. Might've got Suzuki out of it. Or just don't over rule your scouts who wanted someone else. Let them do their jobs.

Anyone ever see the clips of the scouting dept when they drafted Morin? The scouting dept was in a meeting, and homer walks in, and kind've shocked that they were still moving guys around on their board, and basically said, make up your minds and quit flip flopping, but letting them do their jobs. I dont think it was homers pick, he just went with what the scouts suggested. But that didn't work out either. lol

Jake and Ghost were sacrificed for the coach, as he was not capable of managing them. Chuck should have just reevaluate coaching abilities and systems before he made that decision.
- missingmike

I was totally on board with his comment, cant expect different results bringing the same guys back. Didn't make sense to me at all, prob should've done it a few years sooner.

Jake and Ghost were sacrificed for the coach, as he was not capable of managing them. Chuck should have just reevaluate coaching abilities and systems before he made that decision.
- missingmike

having jake and ghost over Cam and RR makes no diff on where this team is at.

That being said you wasted assets on RR with less than stellar results.

I was totally on board with his comment, cant expect different results bringing the same guys back. Didn't make sense to me at all, prob should've done it a few years sooner.
- bradster

Bum Hakstol was healthy scratching ghost quite a bit & bumping Jake to line 3 & 4 often too

Why does anyone care how young a GM is?

I don’t care if they are 40 or 80. Just get the job done. Has a young, hip GM with fresh ideas won a cup? Ever?

Btw Yzerman largely responsible for Tampa’s cups.

Its funny, if we didnt "win" the lottery that year, and stayed where we would've, we mostly likely have been better off. Might've got Suzuki out of it. Or just don't over rule your scouts who wanted someone else. Let them do their jobs.

Anyone ever see the clips of the scouting dept when they drafted Morin? The scouting dept was in a meeting, and homer walks in, and kind've shocked that they were still moving guys around on their board, and basically said, make up your minds and quit flip flopping, but letting them do their jobs. I dont think it was homers pick, he just went with what the scouts suggested. But that didn't work out either. lol
- bradster

I know all teams miss on picks. i understand all that. But if we are in this draft and develop past of the rebuild, don't you need to be getting more from those higher picks?