wow, getting personal at 7:30am, this should be a fun day. Please commence with the Hextall talk
- bradster

Bad night and not enough sleep I guess
But still wondering
I thought Flyers massively improved during off-season
Aube-Kubel playing for Avs and
Hagg doing 18 minutes TOI in Buffalo
Raffl doing 15 minutes 5on5 with Benn and Seguin

Name one red flag and support it with documentation. As far as bring a puppet for management, then why am I calling for AV to be fired and heavily criticizing management? I always look forward to you showing up and making yourself look like a fool.

- MJL

Let me post this again since you chose to ignore. Here is one of the red flags:

Patrick, who the Flyers drafted with the No. 2 overall pick last Friday, underwent abdominal surgery on June 13 before the draft, according to general manager Ron Hextall.

Hextall said Patrick is anywhere between two to four weeks from being fit to play and resuming full activities. The Flyers hosted the 18-year-old center on June 7 for medical evaluation at the practice facility, where Hextall said they gained "clarity" on the injury and later understood surgery would be had prior to the draft.

"When in fact he was examined, this is what was found and this is the injury that affected Nolan the whole year," Hextall said Friday on a conference call.

"I actually felt better about it once we found out what the issue was and what had been bothering him all year, from last season's offseason training and conditioning to the start of the year and throughout the year."

The surgery, performed by Dr. William Meyers, was in complete relation to Patrick's perturbing and well-publicized hernia injury, according to Hextall.




https://www.nbcsports.com...elopment-camp-ron-hextall

I think you overreached on the value you think they might get.
- MJL

possibly, but I was taking into account that at the deadline you have multiple contenders that are bidding against each other, so hopefully that will enable Fletcher to maximize the return. I mean, the Flyers were will to give up 2 high picks and a 3rd pairing defenseman for Risto who will be a FA next year, so I can see teams giving this much up for a player like Giroux and a little less for Risto.

He is like 3 to 4 yrs older then the guys he is playing against
- hfc355

He is 22 years old ...

giroux trade date march 21, 2022
- 2Real

I day you have been waiting for, for a very long time ... :-)

He's probably one of the older players in the NCAA.
- MJL

The average age this year for division 1 freshman players is over 20 years old.

https://www.collegehockey...manac/funfacts-ageavg.php

it has been this way for NCAA for years.

Bad night and not enough sleep I guess
But still wondering
I thought Flyers massively improved during off-season
Aube-Kubel playing for Avs and
Hagg doing 18 minutes TOI in Buffalo
Raffl doing 15 minutes 5on5 with Benn and Seguin
- goenzoy

Yes, Haag is playing 18 minutes a night for the Sabres, and in 23 games he has 4 points and is a -10 to show for it. So please, lets not try to act like we lost a good player here.

What were these red flags? They didn't exist. Patrick was an across the board top level pick. By everybody. So please tell us what these red flags were that you and your hockey friends saw? Can you offer any expert corroboration on that?

Here is a link to a redraft and an article posted on March 22nd 2018 in which 11 NHL scouts, directors of player personnel and GMs give their opinion on the draft almost a year later. They still have Patrick at #2. Apparently, none of them are aware of the red flags that you and your friends are.

https://thehockeynews.com...-gms-redo-the-first-round

Here is an analysis of the draft on NHL.com

https://www.nhl.com/news/...t-picks-recap/c-290088112

"Patrick (6-foot-2, 198 pounds) possesses the hockey sense, vision and skill to become a top-line center in the NHL."

NHL.com analysis: Flyers take most NHL-ready player in draft. He was only prospect to visit Philadelphia, and they clearly were satisfied his injury issues were behind him.

Where are the red flags?
- MJL

Cant you just admit that Saint Ronnie phucked up? He made a bad pick. That is a fact. Why cant you say it?

Let me post this again since you chose to ignore. Here is one of the red flags:

Patrick, who the Flyers drafted with the No. 2 overall pick last Friday, underwent abdominal surgery on June 13 before the draft, according to general manager Ron Hextall.

Hextall said Patrick is anywhere between two to four weeks from being fit to play and resuming full activities. The Flyers hosted the 18-year-old center on June 7 for medical evaluation at the practice facility, where Hextall said they gained "clarity" on the injury and later understood surgery would be had prior to the draft.

"When in fact he was examined, this is what was found and this is the injury that affected Nolan the whole year," Hextall said Friday on a conference call.

"I actually felt better about it once we found out what the issue was and what had been bothering him all year, from last season's offseason training and conditioning to the start of the year and throughout the year."

The surgery, performed by Dr. William Meyers, was in complete relation to Patrick's perturbing and well-publicized hernia injury, according to Hextall.




https://www.nbcsports.com...elopment-camp-ron-hextall
- Robert's Plant

sorry, but I don't consider that a "red flag" especially when discussing Patrick.

I'f I'm the Flyers I'd try and trade Claude Giroux to the Senators for Brady Tkachuk and whatever else the Senators would need to make that deal happen. Everyone knows Giroux has ties to Ottawa.
- Pixote Andolini

Agree. If they flyers add Adam Ginning and JOB would that get Ottawa's attention?

He fixed a lot of things. I never said he was perfect. Flyers we’re an abject mess when he took over. He corrected that. I wouldn’t say Homer’s big moves approach has worked out, would you? But Hextall got hired as GM by one of best franchises. So, your assessment is very negadelphian but seems not to be shared outside of the DelVal.
- iamscore2day

I’m not from anywhere near Philadelphia… my assessment is based on this team and it’s current construction which has Hextalls fingerprints all over still.. Homers approach did get us to a Stanley cup final. This “mess” that Hextall took over included guys like Giroux, Vorecek, Simmonds,, Schenn… all of who were just heading into their prime.. so this mess you speak of surely can’t include some of the the talent on the ice…just because you say it doesn’t make it true…

The average age this year for division 1 freshman players is over 20 years old.

https://www.collegehockey...manac/funfacts-ageavg.php

it has been this way for NCAA for years.
- Peter Richards

many play junior hockey. Then age out. Then go to college. Only the true stud freshman are playing college at 18 for the most part.

Agree. If they flyers add Adam Ginning and JOB would that get Ottawa's attention?
- hello it's me 2050

lol....jesus no..but am guessing this is tongue in cheek.

I'f I'm the Flyers I'd try and trade Claude Giroux to the Senators for Brady Tkachuk and whatever else the Senators would need to make that deal happen. Everyone knows Giroux has ties to Ottawa.
- Pixote Andolini

Sure and while you are at it lets trade Laughton to Edmonton for Mcdavid..Why in the world would Ottawa want Giroux as a rental and give up Tkachuck . If G waives his NTC, which isnt a guarantee, he goes to an EAst coast team with a shot at Cup

He fixed a lot of things. I never said he was perfect. Flyers we’re an abject mess when he took over. He corrected that. I wouldn’t say Homer’s big moves approach has worked out, would you? But Hextall got hired as GM by one of best franchises. So, your assessment is very negadelphian but seems not to be shared outside of the DelVal.
- iamscore2day

Other then going to a cup final?

What were these red flags? They didn't exist. Patrick was an across the board top level pick. By everybody. So please tell us what these red flags were that you and your hockey friends saw? Can you offer any expert corroboration on that?

Here is a link to a redraft and an article posted on March 22nd 2018 in which 11 NHL scouts, directors of player personnel and GMs give their opinion on the draft almost a year later. They still have Patrick at #2. Apparently, none of them are aware of the red flags that you and your friends are.

https://thehockeynews.com...-gms-redo-the-first-round

Here is an analysis of the draft on NHL.com

https://www.nhl.com/news/...t-picks-recap/c-290088112

"Patrick (6-foot-2, 198 pounds) possesses the hockey sense, vision and skill to become a top-line center in the NHL."

NHL.com analysis: Flyers take most NHL-ready player in draft. He was only prospect to visit Philadelphia, and they clearly were satisfied his injury issues were behind him.

Where are the red flags?
- MJL

Doesn't say the best or highest ceiling player.So shocked the flyers crack pot medical staff were satisfied.

Saint Ronnie didn't even interview anyone else. That isn't what I call doing his job.

sorry, but I don't consider that a "red flag" especially when discussing Patrick.
- Scoob

He was the consensus number one until hischier passed him late. I remember it vividly. Doesn’t mean that scouts didn’t see other good players at the time, but experts said whoever doesn’t go number 1 will be taken 2 by the flyers. Could you imagine if we had picked someone completely off the board at 2 when we had just won the lottery? Heads would have exploded. It’s great to say we should have taken makar but that’s Monday morning quarterback talk.

sorry, but I don't consider that a "red flag" especially when discussing Patrick.
- Scoob

The red flag was that he was only able to play one full season out of three seasons in Jr…. now that season was spectacular. Hence why he was rated so high. He was hurt in hi rookie year and in his draft year. Hextall didn’t think at the time they were the type of injuries that would effect him going forward. We now know how it turned out.

He fixed a lot of things. I never said he was perfect. Flyers we’re an abject mess when he took over. He corrected that. I wouldn’t say Homer’s big moves approach has worked out, would you? But Hextall got hired as GM by one of best franchises. So, your assessment is very negadelphian but seems not to be shared outside of the DelVal.
- iamscore2day

well if people are going to say hex didn't get to finish what he started and use the injuries to the prospects as excuses........homer got the team to the cup final. His big move in pronger was short lived due to a career ending injury. So he then is not to blame either right.........

He was the consensus number one until hischier passed him late. I remember it vividly. Doesn’t mean that scouts didn’t see other good players at the time, but experts said whoever doesn’t go number 1 will be taken 2 by the flyers. Could you imagine if we had picked someone completely off the board at 2 when we had just won the lottery? Heads would have exploded. It’s great to say we should have taken makar but that’s Monday morning quarterback talk.
- Hextall271

Drafts aren’t won on draft day…as Bill has pointed out numerous times, Patrick wasn’t even the consensus pick in the Flyers own scouting room. Most drafts can’t really be judged for at least 3 years after for both quality and quantity. As I fan I hoped they got it right, I was excited to get the #2….but we now know it wasn’t the right decision…if that’s Monday morning quarterbacking, so be it….by the way what draft isn’t isn’t judged in a Monday morning quarterback way?

Let me post this again since you chose to ignore. Here is one of the red flags:

Patrick, who the Flyers drafted with the No. 2 overall pick last Friday, underwent abdominal surgery on June 13 before the draft, according to general manager Ron Hextall.

Hextall said Patrick is anywhere between two to four weeks from being fit to play and resuming full activities. The Flyers hosted the 18-year-old center on June 7 for medical evaluation at the practice facility, where Hextall said they gained "clarity" on the injury and later understood surgery would be had prior to the draft.

"When in fact he was examined, this is what was found and this is the injury that affected Nolan the whole year," Hextall said Friday on a conference call.

"I actually felt better about it once we found out what the issue was and what had been bothering him all year, from last season's offseason training and conditioning to the start of the year and throughout the year."

The surgery, performed by Dr. William Meyers, was in complete relation to Patrick's perturbing and well-publicized hernia injury, according to Hextall.




https://www.nbcsports.com...elopment-camp-ron-hextall
- Robert's Plant

That's not a red flag. Flyers did their medical due diligence and he completely recovered from that injury. That injury had nothing to do with why he has not worked out as a 2nd overall pick. Noting was ignored. That was very well known. What else do you have?

Cant you just admit that Saint Ronnie phucked up? He made a bad pick. That is a fact. Why cant you say it?
- hello it's me 2050

It is only a bad pick in hindsight...and bad is the incorrect word...it is more unlucky as his brain pain was not the medical issue they focused on. But it is no tthe first top 5 pick that has flamed out. in fact Nico isn't tearing it up either, so I think NJ would also like a redo.

Yes, Haag is playing 18 minutes a night for the Sabres, and in 23 games he has 4 points and is a -10 to show for it. So please, lets not try to act like we lost a good player here.
- jd250

Who is better? Haag or Seeler? Could we use Haag right now for the 3rd pair? Wouldn't make a major difference but it would help. Haag was a decent player and still is. He has value as a top 6 NHL defenseman. So please, lets not try to act like he has no value as a player.

The Patrick pick has set them back big time!! It was a bad pick. At the time I was concerned about his injury woes already. When a kid that young is already battling injuries it IS A RED FLAG!! To get absolutely nothing out of a second overall pick is something that will set a franchise back every time. Only the Flyers could luck into the second overall pick and get nothing out of it. Hextall seemed to have trouble thinking outside of the box. Slow and steady leaves you behind the others, and he never got over the hump. Next!

It is only a bad pick in hindsight...and bad is the incorrect work...it is more unlucky as his brain pain was not the medical issue they focused on. But it is no tthe first top 5 pick that has flamed out. in fact Nico isn't tearing it up either, so I think NJ would also like a redo.
- JW98FlyerFan

I just think the Patrick pick not working out put things in motion. Because he couldn't grab that 2nd C spot now you had to find a 2nd C is what Hayes was signed to be. If Patrick works out then maybe that money goes elsewhere like a top end defender. Everything has a ripple effect.