3 yrs ago the Rangers tell their fans they are going to rebuild and clean house of most vets and accumulate Cap space and draft picks. Now they sit with a Norris winner..a Hart candidate and a Vezina candidate one via trade..one via FA..one via draft. They are a top 5 team in the league fielding the 5th or 4th youngest team and a number of their young players Kakko..LAF..Chytil havent even hit stride yet. Meanwhile we do a rebuild or retool and we are worse off then we were 3 yrs ago if thats possible. So sad what has become of this franchise this team is totally unwatchable with no clear path out of this hell.
- hfc355

And did it within 4 years, that is what is impressive. I think this is what the Flyers had wished they could do under Hextall but the difference is they didn't sell their current veterans and get higher picks, and the Flyers missed on too many 1st and 2nd round picks. The Rangers currently have 4 1st round and 4 2nd round picks playing on their team, that is impressive in this time frame.

Yandle, JVR, Lindblom, are simply awful there is no other way to put it. There is zero contribution from these 3 with a combined 1 goal.
Provorov and Couturier ...what happened ?
Frost IMO has shown he belongs
I thought Hart was solid last night and the score board could have been 6-1
TK, is very inconsistent along with Atkinson. How much of these guys play can be put on the coach I don't know, but the staff will probably be gone and should be.
What hurts more is Jake and Ghost look to be both doing very well....ouch
- 3flyerkids

Agree with most of this. Doesn’t hurt me at all that Jake and ghost are doing well. I wish them well except vs us. Changes had to be made to last years roster and I have no faith that had we stood pat, that the team would be doing well this year. For whatever reason l, ghost wasn’t getting it done here. Further, we had to get a shoot first player IMO rather than jake.

I don’t advocate for the coaching change at this point because it’s clear to me that it’s the players.
And if that’s the case, I guess we have to ride it out until the tdl.

I actually agree with fletch that he has to get a full roster together for say 20 games before he can assess the team. The main issue is that by January, if they’ve lost say 15 out 20, the season is already a write off and we’re playing I it the stretch. At that point, I am certain that you’ll see fletch as g for a list of teams, risto and maybe others sent out. Not exactly what people want I guess.

And did it within 4 years, that is what is impressive. I think this is what the Flyers had wished they could do under Hextall but the difference is they didn't sell their current veterans and get higher picks, and the Flyers missed on too many 1st and 2nd round picks. The Rangers currently have 4 1st round and 4 2nd round picks playing on their team, that is impressive in this time frame.
- jd250

The Rangers didn't sell every veteran either. Think about where the Ranger would be without Panarin and Fox. Panarin only wanted to play in NY. Fox only wanted to play in NY.

Keep spinning. Saint Ronnie made terrible picks. That is a fact. Also easy to look like you belong when majority of the team has quit. But hey keep pumping up Saint Ronnie.
- hello it's me 2050

Keep spinning and hoping for the teams to lose. You must be in heaven right now?

Any wretched media would be correct if they are criticizing the coaching staff. The coaching staff is a big part of why this team is collectively in a goal scoring slump. Think about it. There are plenty of players on this team that are proven to have the ability to score goals in this league. Yet the entire team at the same time is in a goal scoring slump? All of them now suck? This was building all season. Tell me what this coaching staff did to help? I'll tell you what they did. Nothing. The same way they did nothing last year to fix the defensive woes. As far as the PK is concerned. All season the Flyers have not been effective at limiting scoring chances. All season long there has been confusion with the Flyers diamond force PK. What has the coaching staff done other than maybe practice or show video? Nothing. Switch to a wedge +1 if your team can't play your scheme. He waited far too long to switch up lines to mix player who at the time were finishing with players who generating chances. Oskar Lindblom has degraded to the point where he's on the 4th line and is now sitting on the bench for games. This is on the coach. This coaching staff has shown no ability to improve the team and make adjustments. Time for them to go. The stubborn GM who is just as bad though, won't do a dam thing. Maybe another sad and pathetic press conference is in order. Another lost season.
- MJL

All season long the Flyers forwards have been getting plenty of looks and not scoring goals. That is on them! A coach cannot go out and shoot the puck for them. These are professional hockey players who apparently can't pass a puck from here to there, cannot shoot anywhere except in the goalie's chest, and love to just send blind passes to the other team in their own zone. My beer league team makes less mistakes and finishes scoring chances more than this Flyers team. And it was like this before Fletcher and AV, its not like this is a new occurrence. So go ahead, get a new coaching staff and get a bump for a week or two, but then the reality will set in that these are the same players and they will go right back to where they were before yet another coaching change. I think you have to face reality, these players are not good enough, not skilled nor fast enough. So it looks like they are going to play a 1-2-2 the rest of the way and just try to win games 1-0, because honestly that is the only shot this group of players has.

Agree with most of this. Doesn’t hurt me at all that Jake and ghost are doing well. I wish them well except vs us. Changes had to be made to last years roster and I have no faith that had we stood pat, that the team would be doing well this year. For whatever reason l, ghost wasn’t getting it done here. Further, we had to get a shoot first player IMO rather than jake.

I don’t advocate for the coaching change at this point because it’s clear to me that it’s the players.
And if that’s the case, I guess we have to ride it out until the tdl.

I actually agree with fletch that he has to get a full roster together for say 20 games before he can assess the team. The main issue is that by January, if they’ve lost say 15 out 20, the season is already a write off and we’re playing I it the stretch. At that point, I am certain that you’ll see fletch as g for a list of teams, risto and maybe others sent out. Not exactly what people want I guess.
- Hextall271

If Fletcher thinks that he can't assess this team until the roster has every player back, he's a really bad GM. As bad as the coaches are. This is 50/50 as far as coaches and the wrong mix of players. The makeup of the roster as well as the coaching failures is what is degrading players on this team. A coaching change needs to be made now. This is not just about the 21 or so games this year. This dates back to last year.

The farm system is pretty thin right now for sure, that is why I stated if this season is over early Fletcher has got to clean more house, get some more picks and restock the system using what people are calling a deep draft. BTW Oscar is only signed for this year and next, so I would not consider that long term. Laughton is signed long term but at a good number, so he is tradable if Fletcher decides to do that.
- jd250

The season is over. they are not contenders. A forward thinking organization would know this to be true. I do not trust the GM to lead any type of rebuild-retool or roster construction in any way.

Laughton is not as tradable as you think imo. 13 points in last last 56 games. He has really no impact during the games Don't see teams wanting to spend 3 million on him unless flyers take some $ back. Besides the GM loves him and probably wont move. Thought Oscar had more years.

Dave Scott needs to be canned

All season long the Flyers forwards have been getting plenty of looks and not scoring goals. That is on them! A coach cannot go out and shoot the puck for them. These are professional hockey players who apparently can't pass a puck from here to there, cannot shoot anywhere except in the goalie's chest, and love to just send blind passes to the other team in their own zone. My beer league team makes less mistakes and finishes scoring chances more than this Flyers team. And it was like this before Fletcher and AV, its not like this is a new occurrence. So go ahead, get a new coaching staff and get a bump for a week or two, but then the reality will set in that these are the same players and they will go right back to where they were before yet another coaching change. I think you have to face reality, these players are not good enough, not skilled nor fast enough. So it looks like they are going to play a 1-2-2 the rest of the way and just try to win games 1-0, because honestly that is the only shot this group of players has.
- jd250

Again, using common sense, ask yourself why a group of talented hockey players can't go out and make basic plays. Why a team collectively, not one player or two but collectively as a team can't score. Don't give me they're not talented because you were raving about them all off season. Like you said your beer league team plays better. So what's the issue? This is so simple. Going back to last season.

The Flyers are 29th in the league in scoring chances for. 27th in the league in HDCF

Never seen this before, interesting.


Voracek in the last summer for iSport.cz:

"Not that I really wanted a change, but the debates I had with the head coach (Alain Vigneault) were such that I already thought it was worthless. I was told A, in a few days I was told B how many times I didn't even know where my head was. To be honest, I didn't really know what I was asked to do to make the coach happy. Somehow it accumulated, so I got to the stage where I thought it would be best if we looked for opportunities. This is how we agreed sometime in February or March with Chuck (Fletcher, general manager). I knew it was coming in the summer, even though I had no idea where I was going. "

The Rangers didn't sell every veteran either. Think about where the Ranger would be without Panarin and Fox. Panarin only wanted to play in NY. Fox only wanted to play in NY.
- MJL

And don't forget Zibanejab ...

Keep spinning and hoping for the teams to lose. You must be in heaven right now?
- Hextall271

I am not spinning anything slapnuts.

Yes I want them to lose badly. They need to hit as rock bottom as one can hit before maybe just maybe the light goes on in someone's head head that what they are doing does not and will not work. They need to realize this team lacks talent big time. Lacks a modern day coach and GM. Lacks a good development system for their prospects. They need to realize they are an irrelevant organization as we sit here today.

And don't forget Zibanejab ...
- jd250

They traded Brassard for him.

I thought it was a better effort but there’s a point when a coaching change will be made. It’s the only move chucky has. You get to 10 or 15 losses and the season is over. No way you’re catching anyone in this div or the wildcards. You’d need a 10 game run just to get back into the conversation.

Frost looks like he belongs. Another horrible pick by hextall. What a farce? I mean he didn’t make the team and dominate immediately out of junior and made the team wait for him to develop. The nerve.
- Hextall271

i've never heard anyone say frost was a horrible pick.

Again, using common sense, ask yourself why a group of talented hockey players can't go out and make basic plays. Why a team collectively, not one player or two but collectively as a team can't score. Don't give me they're not talented because you were raving about them all off season. Like you said your beer league team plays better. So what's the issue? This is so simple. Going back to last season.
- MJL

So you're saying these talented players are not scoring and not playing well because they don't like their coach? You can talk systems all you want, but does the system cause that turnover by Laughton? Does the system cause that play between Risto and Provey the other night? Does the system cause Thompson to just blindly throw a pass across his own zone? Does the system cause these Flyers to shoot the puck into the goalie's chest? Does the system cause Provey and Yandle to both chase a Devil forward and leave the slot open? I really don't think so. You talk about low IQ on Risto, and I will agree with that at times he does do something that is head scratching, but I am seeing dumb, stupid, beyond rookie mistakes all over the ice from just about everyone in the lineup.

They traded Brassard for him.
- MJL

Why can't we make trades like that :-)

This team was not prepared to be on the ice with the Rangers.
The PP was a mess. There was no discernable scheme to create shots or even decent looks.

It is completely disheartening.

What Frost showed last night, was what he has shown in numerous NHL games. It's nothing new. It's always been there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4-ymhBic7o
- MJL

It's funny how nobody notices he's playing well until he scores a goal. Next game he doesn't show up on the score sheet he will go back to looking "lost" again. Then cue the "Is Frost playing?" lame jokes.

So....what's the ONE constant that hasn't been changed?

Let's focus on that.

Never seen this before, interesting.


Voracek in the last summer for iSport.cz:

"Not that I really wanted a change, but the debates I had with the head coach (Alain Vigneault) were such that I already thought it was worthless. I was told A, in a few days I was told B how many times I didn't even know where my head was. To be honest, I didn't really know what I was asked to do to make the coach happy. Somehow it accumulated, so I got to the stage where I thought it would be best if we looked for opportunities. This is how we agreed sometime in February or March with Chuck (Fletcher, general manager). I knew it was coming in the summer, even though I had no idea where I was going. "
- hello it's me 2050

I miss how candid Jake was in interviews.

And they REALLY miss having him on the ice.

If Fletcher thinks that he can't assess this team until the roster has every player back, he's a really bad GM. As bad as the coaches are. This is 50/50 as far as coaches and the wrong mix of players. The makeup of the roster as well as the coaching failures is what is degrading players on this team. A coaching change needs to be made now. This is not just about the 21 or so games this year. This dates back to last year.
- MJL

'Wait, the players get no blame? Have you seen their compete level. Did you see the first period last night after the GM had to do a press conference and that's how they came out and played? You gotta be kidding me. Against NJ they came out after getting hammered down in sunny florida and laid an egg, and you aren't blaming the players? That's a joke

It's funny how nobody notices he's playing well until he scores a goal. Next game he doesn't show up on the score sheet he will go back to looking "lost" again. Then cue the "Is Frost playing?" lame jokes.


- Tomahawk

For me the goal was irrelevant. Since Frost has been recalled he has been noticeable out there and last night I thought he looked more confident and assertive, you can see his skill on display. That is why I made the comment I did, nothing to do with the goal.

i've never heard anyone say frost was a horrible pick.
- bradster

They've been saying it here all summer lol

For the first time at the NHL level, I saw "it" from Frost last night. I liked him on the PP and I liked him 5 v 5, he was generating chances and flying out there. If he can continue to build on this, he will be a very nice addition to this team in an area they desperately need offense from.
- jd250

Yea. Let’s see him take some hits and see if he’s still flying around

Just because your missing two important players does not mean the rest of the team should turn to garbage with no capability to play and execute fundamental hockey plays.
The flyers were a mess before Brassard was out.
With that being said CF needs to go if that’s his honest assessment.
The players, the coaching staff and the GM need to go.
I would love to see Dave Scott get fired but that’s probably unlikely unless the flyers building can’t fill half the rink during home games.
As much as it sucks to go through it’s time to start unloading players.
I ask G where he might like to go to try and win a cup.
Risto, gone. He will ask for to much and I wouldn’t pay him for more than he makes now.
Provy I entertain trading if the deal is right. Such as very high 1at round pick plus an A+ prospect.
TK gone- I like him but inconsistent play is his downfall. He struggles at times to create his own chances.
Couturier- traded. I’m sure the flyers could get a very sweet package.
I’m not sure anyone else really has much value.
JVR is gone but not sure if there would be any takers.
The team will absolutely suck during this period but they suck now so why not do it the right way.