Why would they? Really?

I have no idea how the list would look. Even if it is small. He would be a great pickup for any contending team. Not sure that is even debatable. His salary will not be an issue at all imo if the flyers retain 50%. Prorated at the deadline is not a lot in cap space. they can easily make the money work.

My reason for not trading is diff than yours probably. I don't trade him out of spite if he say limits it to only 1 team. I tell him to go f himself.
- hello it's me 2050

Not sure how you think that was one of my points but ok.

I'm TRYING to have a productive discussion with you.


So what would you expect in return from these teams in question? What teams do you think would be interested who also have the assets/draft picks to make it a good deal for both sides.

Lets spitball Tampa for example. Is a 1st round draft pick in the high 20's a needle mover? Along with a (good enough) prospect they would be willing to part with for a guy on an expiring contract?

I doubt Giroux would limit his list to 1 team ALA Simon Gagne, but I also dont think he would waive to go to the team who would IMO give us the best deal...IE a much higher first round pick or picks and a good young player. Those teams would NOT be somewhere Giroux would waive to go to IMO.

I think this team needs HIGH first round picks if they are ever going to rebuild correctly. Picking players in the high teens and 20's are not going to be needle movers for this franchise. At least, you cant bank on them like that.

Why is it that all the Hextall apologists glaze over all his glaring mistakes with the excuse that his hands we forced?
1) drafted Patrick 2nd over all….‘wasn’t his fault, all the pundits had Patrick rated that high’
2) signed JVR to a deal for too much and too long, which flew in the face of what many now see as Hextall’s master plan. ‘ wasn’t his fault, done to appease management.
3) retool was not what Hextall wanted…”he wanted to do a rebuild but ownership wouldn’t let him”…he wasn’t given enough time to complete his master plan ….this is new…lol
Pretty sure when a GM is hired this would have been the main point of his job interview ….what’s the plan going forward? How are you going to get there? How long will it take ? To now suggest this plan that was a failure was not what Hextall actually wanted to do is laughable….

Maybe just maybe he just made some dumb decisions and had to own them…thus he was fired.

- landros 2

There is zero chance that management said sign JVR for $7m

Why is it that all the Hextall apologists glaze over all his glaring mistakes with the excuse that his hands we forced?
1) drafted Patrick 2nd over all….‘wasn’t his fault, all the pundits had Patrick rated that high’
2) signed JVR to a deal for too much and too long, which flew in the face of what many now see as Hextall’s master plan. ‘ wasn’t his fault, done to appease management.
3) retool was not what Hextall wanted…”he wanted to do a rebuild but ownership wouldn’t let him”…he wasn’t given enough time to complete his master plan ….this is new…lol
Pretty sure when a GM is hired this would have been the main point of his job interview ….what’s the plan going forward? How are you going to get there? How long will it take ? To now suggest this plan that was a failure was not what Hextall actually wanted to do is laughable….

Maybe just maybe he just made some dumb decisions and had to own them…thus he was fired.

- landros 2

I am not saying I am certain he didn't (frank) up. Maybe he did.

But ask yourself this simple question: are we truly better off than when Hextall left? Because if we (frank)ed up with him, we (frank)ed up even harder without him, so I would rather have the lesser (frank) up.

The thing I have been idly trying to figure out for the past 20 odd years, w/o much success. What is it that these kids _do_ care about? Is it sports that is passé, or the act of caring itself?
- PT21

They just have more choices in what they can be devotees of than we did.

And they're likely gonna get a much higher level of engagement and community from things like music fandom, show fandom, social media creators, streamers, esports, cam girls (lol), etc than they'd get from sports.

Plus, what kid is gonna really wanna be into what their parents/grandparents are into, unironically?

I remember Craig button saying Morin was moving up the draft boards a couple weeks before the draft.....but maybe he knew the flyers were zero'd in on him
- bradster

Montreal tried to trade up to draft him…but couldn’t get it done.

Not sure how you think that was one of my points but ok.

I'm TRYING to have a productive discussion with you.


So what would you expect in return from these teams in question? What teams do you think would be interested who also have the assets/draft picks to make it a good deal for both sides.

Lets spitball Tampa for example. Is a 1st round draft pick in the high 20's a needle mover? Along with a (good enough) prospect they would be willing to part with for a guy on an expiring contract?

I doubt Giroux would limit his list to 1 team ALA Simon Gagne, but I also dont think he would waive to go to the team who would IMO give us the best deal...IE a much higher first round pick or picks and a good young player. Those teams would NOT be somewhere Giroux would waive to go to IMO.

I think this team needs HIGH first round picks if they are ever going to rebuild correctly. Picking players in the high teens and 20's are not going to be needle movers for this franchise. At least, you cant bank on them like that.
- MBFlyerfan

2nd line of Canes? Behind Svechnikov? Canes have lots of good prospects.

I am not saying I am certain he didn't (frank) up. Maybe he did.

But ask yourself this simple question: are we truly better off than when Hextall left? Because if we (frank)ed up with him, we (frank)ed up even harder without him, so I would rather have the lesser (frank) up.
- PT21

I don't know.

The players we have are players Hextall drafted for the most part. Would Patrick not have issues because Hextall is here?

To me, that pick put a lot of things in motion because since he wasn't able to develop into that 2nd line center, you moved to sign and player like Hayes. If Patrick was able to be that 2c then maybe your money is used differently and you look at free agency differently.

I am not saying I am certain he didn't (frank) up. Maybe he did.

But ask yourself this simple question: are we truly better off than when Hextall left? Because if we (frank)ed up with him, we (frank)ed up even harder without him, so I would rather have the lesser (frank) up.
- PT21

I don’t think we are worse off today. I agree with what others have said. Hextall was fired with cause …Flètch has not been able to do the job he was hired to do….take the Flyers to the next level. So in my rational, both can be true…both aren’t very good.

Here is one thing I thought Hextall should have done. If the true plan was to draft and build from that.....he needed to do whatever he could to have a bottom team for the 2015 draft. That would have been your chance to get a franchise changing player.

Not sure how you think that was one of my points but ok.

I'm TRYING to have a productive discussion with you.


So what would you expect in return from these teams in question? What teams do you think would be interested who also have the assets/draft picks to make it a good deal for both sides.

Lets spitball Tampa for example. Is a 1st round draft pick in the high 20's a needle mover? Along with a (good enough) prospect they would be willing to part with for a guy on an expiring contract?

I doubt Giroux would limit his list to 1 team ALA Simon Gagne, but I also dont think he would waive to go to the team who would IMO give us the best deal...IE a much higher first round pick or picks and a good young player. Those teams would NOT be somewhere Giroux would waive to go to IMO.

I think this team needs HIGH first round picks if they are ever going to rebuild correctly. Picking players in the high teens and 20's are not going to be needle movers for this franchise. At least, you cant bank on them like that.
- MBFlyerfan

If they get a 20 something pick, maybe parlay that with our 10th overall to get top 5 and a difference maker? Just spitballing or go for someone drafted 2-3 years ago, ready to contribute that you know will be an nhl player instead of hoping

I don't know.

The players we have are players Hextall drafted for the most part. Would Patrick not have issues because Hextall is here?

To me, that pick put a lot of things in motion because since he wasn't able to develop into that 2nd line center, you moved to sign and player like Hayes. If Patrick was able to be that 2c then maybe your money is used differently and you look at free agency differently.
- J35Bacher

To me, the NP pick reeks of bad luck. You can argue Makar/Miro would be better. But the fact that NP seems to be just completely flaming out... that is essentially unforeseeable.

Hextall to me seems to be a guy who was waiting for the correct time to make his moves. Not just coasting on the status quo. He hired a docile coach, who was known for player development. He was holding onto his picks. He was shedding salary on average.

Would he have delivered? I dunno. But funny thing is, those who objected to the "2 more years" mantra got their wish. It's now 6 more years.

To me, the NP pick reeks of bad luck. You can argue Makar/Miro would be better. But the fact that NP seems to be just completely flaming out... that is essentially unforeseeable.

Hextall to me seems to be a guy who was waiting for the correct time to make his moves. Not just coasting on the status quo. He hired a docile coach, who was known for player development. He was holding onto his picks. He was shedding salary on average.

Would he have delivered? I dunno. But funny thing is, those who objected to the "2 more years" mantra got their wish. It's now 6 more years.
- PT21

I think NJ saw it. I think some teams do their homework on picks better than others. Looking deeper into issues, interviewing billets, teachers on their attitudes etc. But not all teams do

Not sure how you think that was one of my points but ok.

I'm TRYING to have a productive discussion with you.


So what would you expect in return from these teams in question? What teams do you think would be interested who also have the assets/draft picks to make it a good deal for both sides.

Lets spitball Tampa for example. Is a 1st round draft pick in the high 20's a needle mover? Along with a (good enough) prospect they would be willing to part with for a guy on an expiring contract?

I doubt Giroux would limit his list to 1 team ALA Simon Gagne, but I also dont think he would waive to go to the team who would IMO give us the best deal...IE a much higher first round pick or picks and a good young player. Those teams would NOT be somewhere Giroux would waive to go to IMO.

I think this team needs HIGH first round picks if they are ever going to rebuild correctly. Picking players in the high teens and 20's are not going to be needle movers for this franchise. At least, you cant bank on them like that.
- MBFlyerfan

I rather have a young nhl player with upside (along with picks/prospects) or one who is very close than just picks.

I think every contending team would be interested. I think he has excellent value being a free agent. Assuming he plays well the rest of the way.

Would I take a 1st - very good prospect - cap dumb from Tampa (if 1 year maybe 2 depends on who the player is)? Yes I would. As then maybe you use those assets to get something else.

If he waives it for 2 teams that is what you need. More is better obviously.

I think NJ saw it. I think some teams do their homework on picks better than others. Looking deeper into issues, interviewing billets, teachers on their attitudes etc. But not all teams do
- bradster

I mean he was coming off injuries. So injuries had to be involved in the thinking.

I think NJ saw it. I think some teams do their homework on picks better than others. Looking deeper into issues, interviewing billets, teachers on their attitudes etc. But not all teams do
- bradster

Or... the Devils took the consensus #1 player in Hischier, who rocketed up the draft rankings that year. The Flyers would probably have taken Hischier #1, too.

Money is talking all right. You are just listening in the wrong direction. It cracks me up when people think Dave Sott is doing a bad job. Its like blaming McDonald's because they don't have a tempeh sandwich with alfaalfa sprouts.


- PT21

It cracks me up when people don't realize the perspective fans use for whether a team executive is doing a good job or not is how the team is doing in competition. Myself and sure other could give a rats ass how well they're doing financially. As long as they have the money to pay the players and run the team.

Or... the Devils took the consensus #1 player in Hischier, who rocketed up the draft rankings that year. The Flyers would probably have taken Hischier #1, too.
- Tomahawk

From what I remember it was close. Patrick was the consensus top guy for a while in that draft but Hischier was rising and at the draft it seemed like it could go either way. I do remember Patrick had injuries he was playing through in juniors that had to be taken into account.

Or... the Devils took the consensus #1 player in Hischier, who rocketed up the draft rankings that year. The Flyers would probably have taken Hischier #1, too.
- Tomahawk

Ding Ding Ding

I was hoping NJ messed up and we would get Nico... They didn't and the rest is history...

Edit: I also felt the same way about JVR...both JVR and NoPa where blah, vanilla selections at #2...Patty K and Nico had speed and skill that made you want to watch them...

Or... the Devils took the consensus #1 player in Hischier, who rocketed up the draft rankings that year. The Flyers would probably have taken Hischier #1, too.
- Tomahawk

oh really, never heard that

From what I remember it was close. Patrick was the consensus top guy for a while in that draft but Hischier was rising and at the draft it seemed like it could go either way. I do remember Patrick had injuries he was playing through in juniors that had to be taken into account.
- J35Bacher

Patrick was #1 going into the year, but then he missed a lot of games and Hischier basically went ape poop in Halifax, so by draft day, Hischier was topping a lot of lists.

This is stupid.

If someone is qualified they should be hired. Hell maybe the best coach for the team was the one Hextall fired.

Craig Berube
- J35Bacher

Coach Q was qualified, doh.

To me, the NP pick reeks of bad luck. You can argue Makar/Miro would be better. But the fact that NP seems to be just completely flaming out... that is essentially unforeseeable.

Hextall to me seems to be a guy who was waiting for the correct time to make his moves. Not just coasting on the status quo. He hired a docile coach, who was known for player development. He was holding onto his picks. He was shedding salary on average.

Would he have delivered? I dunno. But funny thing is, those who objected to the "2 more years" mantra got their wish. It's now 6 more years.
- PT21

Any GM could claim bad luck…and in some ways I’m sure it was….but that’s part of any draft picketer made in the history of drafts. Someone suggested last night that this pick is revisionist history? To knock it…..That one made me laugh…what draft “ever” can be equated the day of? All drafts need a least 3 years to really even start to get a semblance of the quality and quantity of what happened. Sometimes that’s not even enough time.
In the end it’s the GMs job to get I right…those who don’t don’t last very long.

I am not saying I am certain he didn't (frank) up. Maybe he did.

But ask yourself this simple question: are we truly better off than when Hextall left? Because if we (frank)ed up with him, we (frank)ed up even harder without him, so I would rather have the lesser (frank) up.
- PT21

That's really the point. Nobody can say with any certainty that Hextall's plan would've worked out. I personally believe that his approach is the correct approach to take. What I know and it's not about what I believe but what I know. Is that the Flyers are in the worst position a team can be in. I also know that a team with failed prospects and a rebuild that hasn't worked, is also in a better position than the Flyers are in today. I also know that this team isn't going to make a complete u turn. They're going to keep on making moves to try and win now. Holmgren never learned and adjusted to the salary cap environment and his influence on that and on Scott, is why the team is where it is today. That and Fletcher's miscalculations.

Patrick was #1 going into the year, but then he missed a lot of games and Hischier basically went ape poop in Halifax, so by draft day, Hischier was topping a lot of lists.
- Tomahawk

I wonder if Debs would have rather taken Miro too, in restrospect. Not too bad if their 1st pairing is Miro-Dougie.

rather draft Kakko than York

JUST SAYIN JUST SAYIN