Perhaps the Flyers situation is a blessing. It shows me that even with a healthy Ellis, Hayes and Allison this team still would not be good enough to make a cup run. A playoff team at best. It's funny, the Flyers have some good players but as a team they are less than the sum of its parts. They lack the high end talent that cup contenders have. So in the absence of talent, and a plan and with a coach I'm not crazy about, it may be a good time to blow it up and start from scratch. Give the GM his papers too. Maybe by the time a 30 year old Provorov and a 26 year old Cam York will be anchoring the defense in front of Carter Hart and the likes of Frost, Farabee, Konecny and Allison will be in their primes is when we will see a cup run. Of course, the hard part, we'll need to throw in reasonable facsimiles of elite players like McDavid, MacKinnon, Matthews, etc. Oh, and out of left field and on my wish list make Danny Briere GM. Why not. Could he do worse than the current regime?

Saint Ronnie rules. Amazing he answers to Brian Burke who is the real GM there.

JOB has left junior level hockey...Hopefully he goes the free agency route and spurns the flyers.

Did Saint Ronnie get lucky with Hart since he drafted him after Labarge? If it was skill surely he takes Hart first no?
- hello it's me 2050

Looking at some of the other young goalies and their performance. I’m actually less pumped about hart. Solid yes, well maybe. We shall see. But goalies, unless you have an elite one, matter but don’t. Always available through free agency.

you think Holmgren and Scott are making the hockey decisions? Scott made CF President of Hockey Operations & General Manager. I think it's all CF. He's made a lot of changes since he was hired. So far they seem to have all turned to poop.
- Dkos

I do think that PH plays a role. Nothing else would explain someone like Lappy getting an important position that he would appear to be the absolutely worst person to fill in light of his track record. Plus, PH got rid of Hexy because he kept PH out of things he wanted to control. CF was lucky to get a chance and would be more easy to control than someone who was in a good spot. That is also why there was no apparent effort to get someone from a winning franchise to take over. Having said that, I am not anti-Cliff. I think he should get a fair shot. I just think Homer is the guard dog on what is "Flyers Hockey" and that he is not smart. Scott appears to only do what Homer tells him. Which is also not smart.

Perhaps the Flyers situation is a blessing. It shows me that even with a healthy Ellis, Hayes and Allison this team still would not be good enough to make a cup run. A playoff team at best. It's funny, the Flyers have some good players but as a team they are less than the sum of its parts. They lack the high end talent that cup contenders have. So in the absence of talent, and a plan and with a coach I'm not crazy about, it may be a good time to blow it up and start from scratch. Give the GM his papers too. Maybe by the time a 30 year old Provorov and a 26 year old Cam York will be anchoring the defense in front of Carter Hart and the likes of Frost, Farabee, Konecny and Allison will be in their primes is when we will see a cup run. Of course, the hard part, we'll need to throw in reasonable facsimiles of elite players like McDavid, MacKinnon, Matthews, etc. Oh, and out of left field and on my wish list make Danny Briere GM. Why not. Could he do worse than the current regime?
- Gogol

When you have a good number of older and aging players who have term, in the current NHL environment. You can't just blow it up. For most of those players you're going to have to take back salary or retain salary or give up high level assets to move them. That sets a team back years. It's probably the best thing to do but if they do that, it makes firing Hextall even more asinine than it already was. Most likely, they'll continue to tweak and retool. Burying the team even further. Like I've often said. Anyone who was expecting Chuck Fletcher to wheel and deal this team to true contender status was kidding themselves.

Do you consider Frost, Farabee and Konecny 200 foot players? All 3 players are players that were drafted for their skill level.
- MJL

Farabee is for sure, yes he has some speed and skill but he is also killing penalties. Exactly what elite prospects said he was capable of being:

Dangerous two-way forward who uses his legs and IQ to make something happen most shifts

TK was drafted for his skill no about it. If you want to laugh, take a look at what Elite Prospects wrote about him when he was drafted:

A talented scoring forward that can play either as a center or on the wing; plays with the bite and intensity of a guy who is willing to do anything to win a game. Possesses dynamic skating ability that allows him to accelerate rapidly with each step, incredible hockey sense, electrifying puck handling skills, and a lightning release on his shot; when you put this skillset together with hard-nosed determination, proactiveness in all three zones, and a physical willingness to grind and persevere, you get a game-changer who can be extremely difficult to play against.

Where has this guy been? Frost was drafted a 200 foot player for sure. Here is what Elite prospects said about him at the time:

A playmaking pivot who reads the game intelligently…calm and poised…agile on his skates and possesses excellent edgework. Morgan has good hockey sense and he reads plays quickly in all three zones and reacts accordingly,

Looking at some of the other young goalies and their performance. I’m actually less pumped about hart. Solid yes, well maybe. We shall see. But goalies, unless you have an elite one, matter but don’t. Always available through free agency.
- Peter Richards

Out of all the roster, he has actually played well in my opinion. I can build around him I believe. That takes at least one question mark away when reconfiguring the roster. Also it seems like they are high on Earsson in the minors.

For me the big question is will they move Giroux and will Giroux waive is NMC to try and win a cup somewhere.

Thinking about it. Actually surprised me more people don’t complain about us picking provie when werenski was still available

Also not a risto hater but watching him with The rags wish we had trouba.

Farabee is for sure, yes he has some speed and skill but he is also killing penalties. Exactly what elite prospects said he was capable of being:



TK was drafted for his skill no about it. If you want to laugh, take a look at what Elite Prospects wrote about him when he was drafted:



Where has this guy been? Frost was drafted a 200 foot player for sure. Here is what Elite prospects said about him at the time:
- jd250

None of those 3 players were drafted due to their 200 foot game. They were all drafted for their high skill level. Being responsible defensively, which Konecny certainly was not, is just a bonus. Playing on the PK does not make a player a 200 foot type player.

Thinking about it. Actually surprised me more people don’t complain about us picking provie when werenski was still available

Also not a risto hater but watching him with The rags wish we had trouba.
- Peter Richards

Just this year I would have rather taken D'Angelo at 1mil over Yandle. D'Angelo is only 26 and young enough you can keep around moving forward if he plays well.

While I didn’t expect him to be great. I am surprised he is not adding anything to the p p. And that was the whole reason to sign him. At the time I didn’t think it was terrible. But not impressed with yandle at all.
- Peter Richards

I would not be surprised if he's playing hurt to keep the streak going. He looked good for two weeks and then all of a sudden he can't skate, or make basic plays with the puck a lot of the time.

That’s where chuck has differed from hex as well. Hex went after the 200 foot players. Chuck trying to fill exact holes.
- Peter Richards

Nah, Chuck's MO was always to go after the perfect 200-ft players too. You can see it in who he signed and drafted in MIN. Hayes, Ellis, Risto all fit that mold to some degree.

A GM in 2021 needs to go (frank) it, we're gonna go after dudes like Panarin and Hamilton even tho they aren't complete players. Maybe they aren't even the best teammates or people. But they can flat out (frank)ing play. We're gonna give them the most money, and then fill in the rest of the roster with data-driven value/dollar and some character/experience.

Not... wow, look at this team of 18 Bobby Clarke facsimeles but they're all missing the most important ingredient: elite talent.

Just this year I would have rather taken D'Angelo at 1mil over Yandle. D'Angelo is only 26 and young enough you can keep around moving forward if he plays well.
- J35Bacher

Plus, D'Angelo has played well. Zito had Yandle figured out. CF was trying to recapture the MK magic, I think. Not sure why AV has him on the PP.

When you have a good number of older and aging players who have term, in the current NHL environment. You can't just blow it up. For most of those players you're going to have to take back salary or retain salary or give up high level assets to move them. That sets a team back years. It's probably the best thing to do but if they do that, it makes firing Hextall even more asinine than it already was. Most likely, they'll continue to tweak and retool. Burying the team even further. Like I've often said. Anyone who was expecting Chuck Fletcher to wheel and deal this team to true contender status was kidding themselves.
- MJL

The S.S. Asinine has already sailed I hear you.

When you have a good number of older and aging players who have term, in the current NHL environment. You can't just blow it up. For most of those players you're going to have to take back salary or retain salary or give up high level assets to move them. That sets a team back years. It's probably the best thing to do but if they do that, it makes firing Hextall even more asinine than it already was. Most likely, they'll continue to tweak and retool. Burying the team even further. Like I've often said. Anyone who was expecting Chuck Fletcher to wheel and deal this team to true contender status was kidding themselves.
- MJL

Hextall earned his firing. Nothing asinine about it. They were in a similarly terrible state three years ago, and he was into his 5th season as GM. Dead weight the new GM had to jettison included:

Hakstol
Weise
MacDonald
Lehtera
Folin

Out of all the roster, he has actually played well in my opinion. I can build around him I believe. That takes at least one question mark away when reconfiguring the roster. Also it seems like they are high on Earsson in the minors.

For me the big question is will they move Giroux and will Giroux waive is NMC to try and win a cup somewhere.
- J35Bacher

Agree. If g does get traded. The others that should be as well imo.

Brass, yandle, Braun, Thompson, macewen. Not getting much for some but maybe some additional 3 re rounders. Maybe more if there is a bidding war.

Would listvither just think it is more doubtful. Those are mostly vets on 1 year deals.

Ice whatever you can and say f it.

When you have a good number of older and aging players who have term, in the current NHL environment. You can't just blow it up. For most of those players you're going to have to take back salary or retain salary or give up high level assets to move them. That sets a team back years. It's probably the best thing to do but if they do that, it makes firing Hextall even more asinine than it already was. Most likely, they'll continue to tweak and retool. Burying the team even further. Like I've often said. Anyone who was expecting Chuck Fletcher to wheel and deal this team to true contender status was kidding themselves.
- MJL

If you did want to blow it up I think you can do it in the following ways:

1. trade Giroux at the deadline for two high picks and a prospect
2. trade Risto at the deadline for one high pick and prospect
3. trade TK at the deadline for one high pick and prospect
4. trade Brassard, Yandle, Braun and Lindblom at deadline for lower round picks
5. buy out JVR at seasons end.

I still think after all this you have enough vets on the team that you can fill in the rest with younger players, may even get lucky in the draft and get 1 or 2 top picks playing right away.

When you have a good number of older and aging players who have term, in the current NHL environment. You can't just blow it up. For most of those players you're going to have to take back salary or retain salary or give up high level assets to move them. That sets a team back years. It's probably the best thing to do but if they do that, it makes firing Hextall even more asinine than it already was. Most likely, they'll continue to tweak and retool. Burying the team even further. Like I've often said. Anyone who was expecting Chuck Fletcher to wheel and deal this team to true contender status was kidding themselves.
- MJL

they have 3 players who are 'aging" with term and big $$. One being ex selke who you wanted to resign. His contract didn't even kick in yet.

Kind of contradicts what you preach.

Hextall earned his firing. Nothing asinine about it. They were in a similarly terrible state three years ago, and he was into his 5th season as GM.
- Feanor

Agree.

Imo what hurts the most is the jvr contract and the lack of prospect depth. Two years ago seemed like we had a great pool. Well that pool isn’t what we thought or the hype sold.

Agree. If g does get traded. The others that should be as well imo.

Brass, yandle, Braun, Thompson, macewen. Not getting much for some but maybe some additional 3 re rounders. Maybe more if there is a bidding war.

Would listvither just think it is more doubtful. Those are mostly vets on 1 year deals.

Ice whatever you can and say f it.
- Peter Richards

Those guys aren't getting you a 3rd rounder.

MacEwen I would keep. I think he can give you something on the 4th line and is pretty cheap.

Both are problems. When all of the Flyers players play triple the minutes of the Ranger forward & that guy still out hits 4 players combined that’s a huge issue.
- Fopa21

No it's not.

they have 3 players who are 'aging" with term and big $$. One being ex selke who you wanted to resign. His contract didn't even kick in yet.

Kind of contradicts what you preach.
- hello it's me 2050

Ex Selke has to be the lamest negative nicknames I've ever seen. I bet you were one of the Couturier-is-a-3C-at-best clowns five years ago.

Nah, Chuck's MO was always to go after the perfect 200-ft players too. You can see it in who he signed and drafted in MIN. Hayes, Ellis, Risto all fit that mold to some degree.

A GM in 2021 needs to go (frank) it, we're gonna go after dudes like Panarin and Hamilton even tho they aren't complete players. Maybe they aren't even the best teammates or people. But they can flat out (frank)ing play. We're gonna give them the most money, and then fill in the rest of the roster with data-driven value/dollar and some character/experience.

Not... wow, look at this team of 18 Bobby Clarke facsimeles but they're all missing the most important ingredient: elite talent.
- Tomahawk

We were talking about who was drafted. And those signings addressed specific holes.

If you did want to blow it up I think you can do it in the following ways:

1. trade Giroux at the deadline for two high picks and a prospect
2. trade Risto at the deadline for one high pick and prospect
3. trade TK at the deadline for one high pick and prospect
4. trade Brassard, Yandle, Braun and Lindblom at deadline for lower round picks
5. buy out JVR at seasons end.

I still think after all this you have enough vets on the team that you can fill in the rest with younger players, may even get lucky in the draft and get 1 or 2 top picks playing right away.
- jd250

Phuck draft picks. They need NHL players who fit in the timeline of the other young players. If you want picks do it right like Arizona is trying to do. Trade almost anyone.

they have 3 players who are 'aging" with term and big $$. One being ex selke who you wanted to resign. His contract didn't even kick in yet.

Kind of contradicts what you preach.
- hello it's me 2050

Maybe I am wrong, but Couturier is the one player on this roster I think is not the problem and also can help moving forward with answers. You seem to love to bring him up like he is the problem with this team.

Saint Ronnie rules. Amazing he answers to Brian Burke who is the real GM there.

JOB has left junior level hockey...Hopefully he goes the free agency route and spurns the flyers.

Did Saint Ronnie get lucky with Hart since he drafted him after Labarge? If it was skill surely he takes Hart first no?
- hello it's me 2050

Why do you keep saying this? He was picked 19th overall, don't you want him to succeed here for the sake of the Flyers organization? Have you even watched JOB play a game at BU yet? He's not what Joel Farabee was his one year at BU, but JOB is pretty good. He's fast, he hits everything in site and has a shoot first mentality, exactly more of what this team needs.