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RustyPipes
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Williamsburg, VA
Joined: 03.09.2018

Dec 1 @ 10:05 PM ET
Turnovers are going to happen and it's a bad play but again, two forwards flying out of the zone. Laughton could've made a better effort after the turnover.
- MJL

Sure turnovers are going to happen, but this team has a habit of making serious passing blunders, often, and every player on the team guilty.
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Dec 1 @ 10:06 PM ET
Only saw the last several minutes of the game, was the entire game this brutal? Did Risto cost the Flyers another game? Look at the bright side, one more step towards a rebuild. How did Hayes look tonight? From what I saw, he was as slow and lumbering as ever
- jd250

THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Dec 1 @ 10:06 PM ET
The Flyers looked like they took a good amount of shots from the prime areas of the ice and only a few from the points, so that is an improvement. But as I watched the highlights, I noticed how the Rangers PP moved the puck back and forth quickly and got the PKs moving, thus that one timer from Trouba was successful. The Flyers PP, at least from what I saw was stagnant. But the big play of the game was Laughton's brutal turnover that lead to the Rangers 3rd goal. A competent NHL player should never make a play like this. It was as bad as Thompsons' give away against the Canes. It changed the complete complexion of the game, and when you are a fragile team its a killer!
- jd250

Gorton built a modern fast hockeyteam
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 1 @ 10:06 PM ET
3 days before the next game Chuck. Now is the time.
- MJL


I thought he kept saying 5 in 7 at the press conference? Did he think the game against the isles was still on last night?
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Dec 1 @ 10:07 PM ET
Not my team - just an observation.
- RustyPipes



My bad…calling a Flyer fan a Ranger fan…yikes.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Dec 1 @ 10:08 PM ET
Gorton built a modern fast hockeyteam
- THE EVIL WITHIN

He did and I believe he will do it again in Montreal. He knows what he is doing that is for sure.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 1 @ 10:08 PM ET
Its really a head scratcher. These are what I have always thought to be good experienced players making really bad plays in their own zone that are just killing this team. Laughton tonight, Risto and Provey against NJ and Thompson against the Canes. These players know better to be this careless in their own zone. Its almost like they are trying to lose, because its really hard to be a professional player and make plays this bad.
- jd250



There is not a single element of their game that is good right now. The have TB, Colorado, NJ and Vegas coming up. Their season could literally be over next week. 3 days off. Time to fire the coaching staff.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 1 @ 10:09 PM ET
You know. That team was just too tough to play against.
RustyPipes
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Williamsburg, VA
Joined: 03.09.2018

Dec 1 @ 10:10 PM ET
My bad…calling a Flyer fan a Ranger fan…yikes.
- landros 2

no problem

There is still plenty of season left, but I don't see the same team with the same coaching staff going forward and expecting a different result.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 1 @ 10:10 PM ET
There is not a single element of their game that is good right now. The have TB, Colorado, NJ and Vegas coming up. Their season could literally be over next week. 3 days off. Time to fire the coaching staff.
- MJL


Time to fire Scott and Comcast. Fletcher/AV are just symptoms
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Dec 1 @ 10:10 PM ET
There is not a single element of their game that is good right now. The have TB, Colorado, NJ and Vegas coming up. Their season could literally be over next week. 3 days off. Time to fire the coaching staff.
- MJL

Find out the the Vegas odds that NAK scores against them and parlay it with a NAK Gordie Howe Hatty
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 1 @ 10:11 PM ET
You know. That team was just too tough to play against.
- Just5


Shouldn't expect to win against good teams. Just need to get Ellis and Hayes back. If they had a PP shooter which they haven't had since 2014, they might have won. They defended well. We wanted to improve on the previous game. It starts with me. There is nothing easy about this.
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Dec 1 @ 10:11 PM ET
Time to fire Scott and fletcher.
- Just5

DUMB AND IGNORANT
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Dec 1 @ 10:12 PM ET
You're trying so hard to base the difference on scoring chances when there are so many other variables at play. It's really not as simple as you're trying to make it out to be.
- Tomahawk


I am not trying hard to do anything, except root for a bottom 5 finish. I am engaging in casual conjecturalism, and that is the biggest conjecture I could find to hang my hat on. Still a conjecture.


It does make much more sense to me than your Kreider reverse-woody though. His sh% this year 5-on-5 is a little over 15%, last year it was a little over 14%. So, as far as 5-on-5 explanations go (which is what I was looking at anyway), he is not relevant.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Dec 1 @ 10:12 PM ET
Time to fire Scott and Comcast. Fletcher/AV are just symptoms
- Just5

Looking at the schedule 📅 you may get your will
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Dec 1 @ 10:13 PM ET
There is not a single element of their game that is good right now. The have TB, Colorado, NJ and Vegas coming up. Their season could literally be over next week. 3 days off. Time to fire the coaching staff.
- MJL

I can't argue with any of this, this team is indefensible right now. But even with a new coaching staff, this team does not have what it takes, but maybe at least they can play a more disciplined game and actually look competent out there. Right now its starting to look as brutal and comical as it was last year.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 1 @ 10:13 PM ET
Shouldn't expect to win against good teams. Just need to get Ellis and Hayes back. If they had a PP shooter which they haven't had since 2014, they might have won. They defended well. We wanted to improve on the previous game. It starts with me. There is nothing easy about this.
- MJL


But Fletcher and AV are just symptoms don’t you think. This is rotten to the core.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Dec 1 @ 10:14 PM ET
no problem

There is still plenty of season left, but I don't see the same team with the same coaching staff going forward and expecting a different result.

- RustyPipes


Nope…disappointing. I also think it may spell the end of G’s time in Philly.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 1 @ 10:15 PM ET
I can't argue with any of this, this team is indefensible right now. But even with a new coaching staff, this team does not have what it takes, but maybe at least they can play a more disciplined game and actually look competent out there. Right now its starting to look as brutal and comical as it was last year.
- jd250


They don't have what it takes. Which is why the GM should resign. Scott can go also but that's never going to happen.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 1 @ 10:15 PM ET
But Fletcher and AV are just symptoms don’t you think. This is rotten to the core.
- Just5


No, I don't think they're just symptoms. They are part of the disease.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 1 @ 10:18 PM ET
Fire chuck
Trade giroux
Trade jones
Trade Laughton
Trade jvr
RustyPipes
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Williamsburg, VA
Joined: 03.09.2018

Dec 1 @ 10:18 PM ET
They don't have what it takes. Which is why the GM should resign. Scott can go also but that's never going to happen.
- MJL

I agree with what you say, but isn't the GM also the President? I would think that the GM would rather be fired so he could keep his owed salary. Unless Scott fires him, I don't see that happening either.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 1 @ 10:20 PM ET
I agree with what you say, but isn't the GM also the President? I would think that the GM would rather be fired so he could keep his owed salary. Unless Scott fires him, I don't see that happening either.
- RustyPipes


No it's not going to happen. That was another huge mistake. Giving a guy like Fletcher who has literally done nothing in the NHL, the whole ball of wax.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Dec 1 @ 10:24 PM ET
But Fletcher and AV are just symptoms don’t you think. This is rotten to the core.
- Just5


I would agree. And the bandaid du jour on the hemophiliac will be the new coach/GM.
RustyPipes
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Williamsburg, VA
Joined: 03.09.2018

Dec 1 @ 10:24 PM ET
No it's not going to happen. That was another huge mistake. Giving a guy like Fletcher who has literally done nothing in the NHL, the whole ball of wax.
- MJL

So true. I liked AV when he first came to the Flyers, but something has been lost and the PP ... not good. I usually don't say this, but maybe a new voice - too bad Scott Gordon isn't around anymore - he worked well with young talent.
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