that is actually very true. 31 other teams fight to hire the best english speaking candidates. Habs are alone (except maybe OTT) and have the luxury to pick the best french speaking one. who btw are very often better and succeed later on elsewhere.(Brisebois, Vigneault, Julien, Therrien, Burns...)
- fidopro

None of whom succeeded in Montreal but did in the anglo markets where the team is free to hire either anglo or french? Crazy that by using the full pool of candidates they were able to identify the best one and succeeded as a result. Just crazy how that worked out eh?

that was the debate 2 weeks ago. Price and Chiarot to EDM for Koskinen and picks.
Gallagher and Lek to NYR. but now it could be VAN (for Gallagher)
- fidopro

Gallagher & Chiarot for Holloway, Broberg & a 1st.... too much?

None of whom succeeded in Montreal but did in the anglo markets where the team is free to hire either anglo or french? Crazy that by using the full pool of candidates they were able to identify the best one and succeeded as a result. Just crazy how that worked out eh?
- Takemedrunkimhome

because that was their first job. and lets be honest, Habs did have a good team.

This may actually be the best argument I've read on the pro french side
- Takemedrunkimhome

Pretty much ends the debate for me.

Gallagher & Chiarot for Holloway, Broberg & a 1st.... too much?
- OB

Gallagher for Horvat?

None of whom succeeded in Montreal but did in the anglo markets where the team is free to hire either anglo or french? Crazy that by using the full pool of candidates they were able to identify the best one and succeeded as a result. Just crazy how that worked out eh?
- Takemedrunkimhome

I think the point is the habs can pick in their pool of francophone candidates and succeed, but sure you can go to that conclusion as well.

because that was their first job. and lets be honest, Habs did have a good team.
- fidopro

The one thing the Habs seem to keep doing is give a first chance to good, francophone coaches.

But since it's their first job, they make mistakes, they learn.

Then afterwards, they get a 2nd job and they have more experience and find more success.

Then we bring them back once they are washed up.

I feel like we could do better.

This being said, I don't think limiting ourselves to a french speaking coach has considerably hindered our success over the years. A good team would win with an average coach.

Gallagher for Horvat?
- fidopro

Where do I sign?

Pretty much ends the debate for me.
- Scabeh

It's only a debate for frustrated leaf fans who became bandwagon habs fan in the 70s-80s.

The one thing the Habs seem to keep doing is give a first chance to good, francophone coaches.

But since it's their first job, they make mistakes, they learn.

Then afterwards, they get a 2nd job and they have more experience and find more success.

Then we bring them back once they are washed up.

I feel like we could do better.
- Scabeh

if Habs had a good team young coaches could succeed here. I'd prefer that option.

but that proves with out a doubt that limiting your pool doesn't arm the team in any way.

The one thing the Habs seem to keep doing is give a first chance to good, francophone coaches.

But since it's their first job, they make mistakes, they learn.

Then afterwards, they get a 2nd job and they have more experience and find more success.

Then we bring them back once they are washed up.

I feel like we could do better.
- Scabeh

I agree this "recycling" of coaches has gotten silly, I hope they won't go back to that again lol

The one thing the Habs seem to keep doing is give a first chance to good, francophone coaches.

But since it's their first job, they make mistakes, they learn.

Then afterwards, they get a 2nd job and they have more experience and find more success.

Then we bring them back once they are washed up.

I feel like we could do better.

This being said, I don't think limiting ourselves to a french speaking coach has considerably hindered our success over the years. A good team would win with an average coach.
- Scabeh

well said.

Gallagher for Horvat?
- fidopro

Horvat will be 27 soon, would prefer targeting younger players.... I think Kravtsov is a real possibility, Gorton drafted him and he wants out of NY

I agree this "recycling" of coaches has gotten silly, I hope they won't go back to that again lol
- Pat1993

I want Carbo 2.0

because that was their first job. and lets be honest, Habs did have a good team.
- fidopro

But you're missing the damn point. The anglo clubs hired these french men not caring about language and won. The Habs can't hire the anglos because of their own rules/placating media and politicians, thus limiting their opportunities at all candidates.

If Steve Yzerman was unemployed and wanted to GM the Habs he couldn't because of their rule. That's the most clear example I can make as to why the french only policy is limiting. But that's the end of this rabbit hole for me today - we've all got the (frank)ing t shirt

Horvat will be 27 soon, would prefer targeting younger players.... I think Kravtsov is a real possibility, Gorton drafted him and he wants out of NY
- OB

they need a center, not another RW

I think the point is the habs can pick in their pool of francophone candidates and succeed, but sure you can go to that conclusion as well.
- Pat1993

They could. They could also pick from the larger pool of candidates and increase their chances of success as shown by anglo clubs employing the french. How this isn't an accepted fact is beyond me

But you're missing the damn point. The anglo clubs hired these french men not caring about language and won. The Habs can't hire the anglos because of their own rules/placating media and politicians, thus limiting their opportunities at all candidates.

If Steve Yzerman was unemployed and wanted to GM the Habs he couldn't because of their rule. That's the most clear example I can make as to why the french only policy is limiting. But that's the end of this rabbit hole for me today - we've all got the (frank)ing t shirt
- Takemedrunkimhome

so... you're saying these coaches were the best?
that's a good reason to hire them in the first place wouldn't you say

But you're missing the damn point. The anglo clubs hired these french men not caring about language and won. The Habs can't hire the anglos because of their own rules/placating media and politicians, thus limiting their opportunities at all candidates.

If Steve Yzerman was unemployed and wanted to GM the Habs he couldn't because of their rule. That's the most clear example I can make as to why the french only policy is limiting. But that's the end of this rabbit hole for me today - we've all got the (frank)ing t shirt
- Takemedrunkimhome

Whatever LEAFer, you're just here to sabotage OUR TEAM

they need a center, not another RW
- fidopro

They need talented youth at every position

The one thing the Habs seem to keep doing is give a first chance to good, francophone coaches.

But since it's their first job, they make mistakes, they learn.

Then afterwards, they get a 2nd job and they have more experience and find more success.

Then we bring them back once they are washed up.

I feel like we could do better.

This being said, I don't think limiting ourselves to a french speaking coach has considerably hindered our success over the years. A good team would win with an average coach.
- Scabeh

That's not a good argument. How would the same team do with a good coach?

They need talented youth at every position
- OB

yeah, but start with center and defense. tks

yeah, but start with center and defense. tks
- fidopro

Trading for Horvat seems like a move to try and win now

Trading for Horvat seems like a move to try and win now
- OB

of course you don't trade for Horvat if you do a full rebuild

so... you're saying these coaches were the best?
that's a good reason to hire them in the first place wouldn't you say
- fidopro

I'm saying if the french guy is the best candidate hire him. If the anglo is the best hire him. By limiting your options to only french you limit your chances at finding the best hire. This isn't complicated