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fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Dec 1 @ 11:10 AM ET
Where do you rank DD against his 31 peers?
- Takemedrunkimhome

too early to tell imo
Takemedrunkimhome
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 03.08.2018

Dec 1 @ 11:11 AM ET
DD was given the interim to end the season, made it to the SCF and got a contract.

I mean how could you not keep him after the playoffs he just had?

- Scabeh

Rock and hard place you're correct although a debate over the original hire could be had and a debate over his regular season that was awful last year but they got into the playoffs because Covid killed Van and Cal could be had but you're right. That said 20+ games into this year what's your opinion?
Fredo
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Symba thinks Prague is in Poland
Joined: 03.16.2015

Dec 1 @ 11:11 AM ET
Where do you rank DD against his 31 peers?
- Takemedrunkimhome
15.6
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Dec 1 @ 11:12 AM ET
Where do you rank DD against his 31 peers?
- Takemedrunkimhome


meh, the team is in complete shambles right now, of course he has his part of responsibilities but I wouldn't necessarily say he's a turrible coach either. besides, whether you're hiring from a french, english or spanish pool it doesn't mean mistakes can't be made, and that the person hired turns out to be not such a good fit after all.
OB
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 11.14.2021

Dec 1 @ 11:12 AM ET
So will Pouliot be playing tomorrow?
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Dec 1 @ 11:12 AM ET
Guy Boucher?
- Scabeh

Hey Moraines....Andre Tourigny...
Takemedrunkimhome
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 03.08.2018

Dec 1 @ 11:12 AM ET
no they won't, they never did. proof has been made. when is the last time a french speaking coach has been hired by an anlgo team? not a former Habs coach, a new one? there are many many good ones waiting in the AHL for years now. it's who you know. and with 30 anglo teams... well it's 30 anglo coaches. as simple as that.
- fidopro

Ok...what's the math on anglo players vs french...then do the coaches and execs. I bet there's a greater % of coaches and execs that are french than are players
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Dec 1 @ 11:13 AM ET
Ok...what's the math on anglo players vs french...then do the coaches and execs. I bet there's a greater % of coaches and execs that are french than are players
- Takemedrunkimhome

(frank) your math and answer the question
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Dec 1 @ 11:13 AM ET
Ok...here's my point because I accept the language thing:

I accept the language thing and won't argue it happening because I get it but if people want to argue it isn't limiting then I will argue that because there is no honest argument to make that it isn't. There are BS ones about assumptions of similar competence but the truth is the larger the pool of talent you look at the greater chance of finding the best candidate. That's it. Simple math

- Takemedrunkimhome



but that's the thing, this "simple math" doesn't necessarily apply to the situation... anyways we clearly see things differently, I respect your opinion but I'm done with this subject for today
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Dec 1 @ 11:13 AM ET
Hey Moraines....Andre Tourigny...
- AdamFrench

forgot about him. excellent.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Dec 1 @ 11:14 AM ET
forgot about him. excellent.
- fidopro

I think Roy brought him in to the NHL with the Avs though
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Dec 1 @ 11:15 AM ET
Rock and hard place you're correct although a debate over the original hire could be had and a debate over his regular season that was awful last year but they got into the playoffs because Covid killed Van and Cal could be had but you're right. That said 20+ games into this year what's your opinion?
- Takemedrunkimhome


I think he did something pretty damn good in the playoffs with a roster that no one expected to compete for the Stanley Cup.

But yes, his results in the regular season have been mostly bad. Now is it a testament of his coaching abilities or the roster in front of him? That's a pretty tough call to make.

I guess if you judge a coach ability by getting the most out of every player, he has yet to show, on a regular basis, that he's able to do that.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Dec 1 @ 11:15 AM ET
I think Roy brought him in to the NHL with the Avs though
- AdamFrench


He did.

And god knows Roy is an outlier.
Takemedrunkimhome
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 03.08.2018

Dec 1 @ 11:15 AM ET
(frank) your math and answer the question
- fidopro

Actually that math is telling. You're assuming french coaches aren't getting a fair shot but you could easily make the argument for a lot of english coaches in junior, ncaa, overseas, etc who don't get the opportunity. Math tends to extrapolate on those both ways
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Dec 1 @ 11:16 AM ET
I think he did something pretty damn good in the playoffs with a roster that no one expected to compete for the Stanley Cup.

But yes, his results in the regular season have been mostly bad. Now is it a testament of his coaching abilities or the roster in front of him? That's a pretty tough call to make.

I guess if you judge a coach ability by getting the most out of every player, he has yet to show, on a regular basis, that he's able to do that.

- Scabeh

he's a rookie coach with half a team. let's wait
Fredo
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Symba thinks Prague is in Poland
Joined: 03.16.2015

Dec 1 @ 11:16 AM ET
(frank) your math and answer the question
- fidopro

Here's a fact : No french coach or GM in the NHL has ever the touched the penis of one of his players, it's exclusively an anglophone thing.

To me, that's reason enough
Takemedrunkimhome
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 03.08.2018

Dec 1 @ 11:16 AM ET
but that's the thing, this "simple math" doesn't necessarily apply to the situation... anyways we clearly see things differently, I respect your opinion but I'm done with this subject for today
- Pat1993

Math applies to everything. Whether a decision maker chooses to apply the math (which never lies) is what is at issue
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Dec 1 @ 11:17 AM ET
he's a rookie coach with half a team. let's wait
- fidopro


Oh for sure, the sample to judge him is quite small.
Takemedrunkimhome
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 03.08.2018

Dec 1 @ 11:17 AM ET
I think he did something pretty damn good in the playoffs with a roster that no one expected to compete for the Stanley Cup.

But yes, his results in the regular season have been mostly bad. Now is it a testament of his coaching abilities or the roster in front of him? That's a pretty tough call to make.

I guess if you judge a coach ability by getting the most out of every player, he has yet to show, on a regular basis, that he's able to do that.

- Scabeh

I think that's a pretty balanced assessment
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Dec 1 @ 11:18 AM ET
forgot about him. excellent.
- fidopro

I wish him well. I've talked to him a few times after the 67's games. Good dude. Hope he can survive the rebuild in the Desert.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Dec 1 @ 11:19 AM ET
Math applies to everything. Whether a decision maker chooses to apply the math (which never lies) is what is at issue
- Takemedrunkimhome



that's your opinion, it's all good.
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Dec 1 @ 11:19 AM ET
I wish him well. I've talked to him a few times after the 67's games. Good dude. Hope he can survive the rebuild in the Desert.
- AdamFrench

he could very well coach the habs in 3 years
Xizord
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I am Eklund, QC
Joined: 01.03.2007

Dec 1 @ 11:20 AM ET
Roy asks rhetorically 'what do the Habs have to lose in giving him a shot at running the club'....my thought is another few years of losing.

Gorton has the long term contract, so offer Patty a series of one year deals, with an annual walk away clause.

- Frozendisc


cause it has been so great in the last 25 years ?
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Dec 1 @ 11:21 AM ET
cause it has been so great in the last 25 years ?
- Xizord

who's counting
Xizord
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I am Eklund, QC
Joined: 01.03.2007

Dec 1 @ 11:21 AM ET
irréductibles, tabarnak!
- Pat1993


oui monsieur
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