Technically, no games have been cancelled yet.
- Bendecko

Many games have been postponed

Speed was a big issue last season and the start of this season, even speed with a little skill. It is still an issue. The depth is paper thin.

Would Yandle be playing if not for the streak? Probably because no depth to make him sit, no depth to make Seeler sit.

The Rangers game appears to be it, if they get worked like they did last season, the season will most likely resemble last season. If they win, just maybe a ray of hope.

Team needs a shakeup and there most likely won't be a trade or AV fired.

Drop G to the 2nd PP, put Frost in his spot. G can have no argument, he just isn't a difference maker on the PP right now. I did like the PP a little more v Devils. I dont care who it is, sit Yandle. The guy is to slow and not physical, his streak is not the Flyers issue, plus Kessel will take the streak from Yandle anyway.

Bill, I agree with pretty much all you said with the exception of this statement. "Noticeably, the much-improved defensive structure the team showed early on -- which was hardly mentioned and erroneously chalked up by some entirely to the goaltending". With all disrespect, it can't be said about a team that was bleeding scoring chances all season and among the bottom in SCA rate. Now some of this can certainly be blamed on the Flyers lack of ability overall as a team to being able to drive play and have extended attack time. After all, the more time you spend in your own end, the more chances you will give up. Defending in the NHL does not have the same definition as it used to have. If you're bleeding chances, you simply are not defending well. Same on the PK. At the bottom of the league in suppressing high danger chances. The PK percentage is all about the goaltending. Same at 5 on 5. What we're seeing now was all but inevitable. It was predictable. Adding Ellis would help some but not likely to have a significant effect if the rest of the team doesn't get it's act together.
- MJL

They were having terrible second periods. The 1st pd numbers were good and 3rd pds were decent when score effect considered. Also, you could see it on video how much better the Flyers were in the early weeks at confining most of the play to the perimeter, responsible back checking (including wingers mindful of weak-side coverage), etc.

Lately, the 2nd period issues have continued and the 1st and 3rd periods have deteriorated along with the D structure.

I also don't really trust some of the expected goal related models out there. Example: last night, Natural Stat Trick had high 2nd period high danger chances as 13-0 for NJ. NJ did have the better of that period, clearly, but nowhere near 13 bonafide high-danger chances nor did the Flyers have zero (I'd put it about 7-3 for the period).

Nobody will take that bet.
- Scoob

I know.

But if a guy thinks I am fear mongering, why wouldn't he? Fear mongering, by definition, means hyping up an unlikely scary situation. Unlikely means less than 50% chance. Probaby no more than 10%.

If that is the case, to win $100, you would need to bet $900 odd. Instead, someone is offering a price that is the mother of all Black Friday deals for that bet.

Bill Meltzer: Wrap: Winless Streak at Six after 5-2 Loss in NJ
- bmeltzer

Puck support and puck possession.

Without those two things improving drastically, some way, some how, this team is effectively hopeless.

Omicron hasn't even been detected in the US yet. Just a few cases in the US.
- PT21

???

If it hasn't been detected in the US, how do you know there are but a few cases here? You're speculating.

However, best not argue with the cretin.
- PT21

In the first place, if you're going to make it personal, you should take care to make any sense yourself.

EDIT: BEFORE you hit "Submit"

Many games have been postponed
- Scoob

Bigly

???

If it hasn't been detected in the US, how do you know there are but a few cases here? You're speculating.



In the first place, if you're going to make it personal, you should take care to make any sense yourself.

EDIT: BEFORE you hit "Submit"
- Bendecko

Read the edit, sport.

Puck support and puck possession.

Without those two things improving drastically, some way, some how, this team is effectively hopeless.
- Tomahawk

Yep. They just seem like an easy team to play against. I hardly ever see them making the other team work for anything.

Puck support and puck possession.

Without those two things improving drastically, some way, some how, this team is effectively hopeless.
- Tomahawk

Their record over the last 50 games played projects to a 77 pt year(82 game Schedule)....that is a bottom 5 team. The only reason it isnt worse is the goalie play so far

Read the edit, sporty.
- PT21

Same for you, scary.

Same for you, scary.
- Bendecko

Why should I read _your_ EDIT if you don't read _my_ EDIT?

Fair's fair.

Why should I read _your_ EDIT if you don't read _my_ EDIT?

Fair's fair.
- PT21

I read _your_ EDIT. If you read _my_ EDIT, you would realize it would be a response to yours. But you have to be astute enough to read it first (and astute enough to quick-proofread your posts before hitting the submit button). Fair's fair.

The Flyers management is going to destroy HART..... if he isn't already too damaged that is.

Their record over the last 50 games played projects to a 77 pt year(82 game Schedule)....that is a bottom 5 team. The only reason it isnt worse is the goalie play so far
- THE BLACK HAND

Yeah, their team game is a shambles, even worse than last season.

They were having terrible second periods. The 1st pd numbers were good and 3rd pds were decent when score effect considered. Also, you could see it on video how much better the Flyers were in the early weeks at confining most of the play to the perimeter, responsible back checking (including wingers mindful of weak-side coverage), etc.

Lately, the 2nd period issues have continued and the 1st and 3rd periods have deteriorated along with the D structure.

I also don't really trust some of the expected goal related models out there. Example: last night, Natural Stat Trick had high 2nd period high danger chances as 13-0 for NJ. NJ did have the better of that period, clearly, but nowhere near 13 bonafide high-danger chances nor did the Flyers have zero (I'd put it about 7-3 for the period).
- bmeltzer

This is an interesting point, Bill.

I have often wondered how live action is transformed into these analytic stats. Is it via video being manually broken down by a few guys? or from official play-by-play being translated for the same?

with the USA open border policy Omicron is already here more than likely...keep puling that demo lever

Flyers need to move Giroux to center while we are hurting at C.

The PP is not good enough. Guys are too slow to move the puck. They cant generate good scoring chances because they give the opposition time to get in the shooting and passing lanes.

NJ was a team you had to beat

Yep. They just seem like an easy team to play against. I hardly ever see them making the other team work for anything.
- MBFlyerfan

When the Flyers just hand over the puck in all three zones, it makes life pretty easy for the opposition.

Think about how fun it must be to play the Flyers... you can just attack attack attack with no pushback.

I read _your_ EDIT. If you read _my_ EDIT, you would realize it would be a response to yours. But you have to be astute enough to read it first (and astute enough to quick-proofread your posts before hitting the submit button). Fair's fair.
- Bendecko

Point is, you criticized me for not proofreading before hitting submit. Implying that if I had, I wouldn't have needed to edit.

And your criticism came in a post which you yourself needed to edit.

Quite the Freudian mirror of state of matters in Flyers land.

However, best not argue with the cretin.


- PT21

Just can't help yourself. It's a disease.

They were having terrible second periods. The 1st pd numbers were good and 3rd pds were decent when score effect considered. Also, you could see it on video how much better the Flyers were in the early weeks at confining most of the play to the perimeter, responsible back checking (including wingers mindful of weak-side coverage), etc.

Lately, the 2nd period issues have continued and the 1st and 3rd periods have deteriorated along with the D structure.

I also don't really trust some of the expected goal related models out there. Example: last night, Natural Stat Trick had high 2nd period high danger chances as 13-0 for NJ. NJ did have the better of that period, clearly, but nowhere near 13 bonafide high-danger chances nor did the Flyers have zero (I'd put it about 7-3 for the period).
- bmeltzer

All season long the sure indicator is how often we were saying both Hart and Jones were tremendous. The sure indicator of how well a team is defending is how often you are raving about the goaltending standing on it's head.
What are you comparing it to? Last season and the historically and epically bad play? That's the equivalent of giving the team a participation trophy for showing up. Or partial credit for some of the time.

One game even if you doubt the stat doesn't show that they've been defending well. They haven't been. They've had trouble sorting out coverages all season.

Point is, you criticized me for not proofreading before hitting submit. Implying that if I had, I wouldn't have needed to edit.

And your criticism came in a post which you yourself needed to edit.

Quite the Freudian mirror of state of matters in Flyers land.
- PT21

Not really. I did proofread my own post, which I wrote and submitted before you made your edit. Which is the only reason for my edit (to address your edit).

Even more technically, Omicron hasn't even been detected in the US yet. Just a few cases in the US.

All cancellations/delays occurrring in sports in North America now have absolutely nothing to do with omicron.

However, best not argue with the cretin.

EDIT: Canada
- PT21

There's no stoppin' the cretins from hoppin'
You gotta keep it beatin' for all the hoppin' cretins

Cretin, cretin
I'm gonna go for a whirl with my cretin girl
My feet won't stop doin' the Cretin Hop
Cretin, cretin

One-two-three-four, cretins want to hop some more
Four-five-six-seven, all good cretins go to heaven

Puck support and puck possession.

Without those two things improving drastically, some way, some how, this team is effectively hopeless.
- Tomahawk

Their systems and strategy of play is a wreck. I don't think this team knows what a regroup or a neutral zone counter is. They purposely give up possession too many times for it to be a player issue. On breakouts by design they put the puck into 50/50 battles. All an opposition forecheck has to do is seal off the wall.