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bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Nov 29 @ 6:39 PM ET
Wow Marchand the rat got suspended for three games for slew footing OEL.
Must of been a mistake.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Nov 29 @ 6:41 PM ET
Ahhh. Now we see the agenda. It’s about being right about player analysis as opposed to actually just watching a player and objectively providing an opinion. You don’t like trades. We get it. You don’t like the Ellis n Risto trades cause you wanted Myers to be here forever. We get it. You did not like Brassard cause you wanted Frost to be here from day one. We get it. Thompson was going to take Frosts job. We get it. You want rebuild and do so for the next 12 years. We get it.

Can’t ya just watch a game and then say this guy sucked or this guy was great and be done with it? What’s with this agenda to prove yourself right on a hockey trade which may by the way may take years to materialize?

Wouldn’t you rather be wrong about a trade and see your team win then be right and watch them lose?

- Joe Nardone


you nailed it. doesnt want to lose ronnies guys, doesnt want to give chuck any credit. Kinda like women dont like their boyfriends exs.....same thing
no one should be traded...doesnt even matter what the return is, he hates turnover
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Nov 29 @ 6:42 PM ET
Going for him today? Numbers filtered for defenseman who have played 100 minutes at 5 on 5. Rankings among defenseman /60

CF% 48.42% 136th in the league
GF% 46.15% 131st in the league
xGF% 47.55% 142nd in the league
SCF% 43.63% 183rd in the league
HDSCF% 42.55% 181st in the league

- MJL


Link? What are sanhiem?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Nov 29 @ 6:45 PM ET
If they trade captain comfortable, will he bring more back in a trade then they gave up for RR? Be funny as all hell if not.
DrMidnite
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: False-Positive, Texas
Joined: 12.10.2010

Nov 29 @ 6:53 PM ET
If they trade captain comfortable, will he bring more back in a trade then they gave up for RR? Be funny as all hell if not.
- hello it's me 2050


Fletcher can't re-sign RR that trade is already a loss.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 29 @ 6:56 PM ET
Fletcher can't re-sign RR that trade is already a loss.
- DrMidnite


They're going to and they will tighten the noose further. Expect some kind of other trade in season in a vain attempt to save this season and this team.
DrMidnite
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: False-Positive, Texas
Joined: 12.10.2010

Nov 29 @ 6:59 PM ET
They're going to and they will tighten the noose further. Expect some kind of other trade in season in a vain attempt to save this season and this team.
- MJL


Just to be clear you yourself would would not do this correct?

But Fletcher can't possibly walk away after the trade?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 29 @ 7:04 PM ET
Just to be clear you yourself would would not do this correct?

But Fletcher can't possibly walk away after the trade?

- DrMidnite


Do what, re-sign Ristolainen. Absolutely not. I would trade him at the deadline. Fletcher painted himself in a box with the deal.
DrMidnite
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: False-Positive, Texas
Joined: 12.10.2010

Nov 29 @ 7:13 PM ET
Do what, re-sign Ristolainen. Absolutely not. I would trade him at the deadline. Fletcher painted himself in a box with the deal.
- MJL


Sounds good to me
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Nov 29 @ 7:31 PM ET
Trade Hart to the Oilers for a king's ransom!! Problems solved!!!
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Nov 29 @ 7:33 PM ET
Trade Hart to the Oilers for a king's ransom!! Problems solved!!!
- Phillywhiteout

fedetov is lighting it up in the KHL
hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

Nov 29 @ 7:33 PM ET
Trade Hart to the Oilers for a king's ransom!! Problems solved!!!
- Phillywhiteout

Goalies dont get you Kings Ransom especially unproven ones
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Nov 29 @ 7:38 PM ET
fedetov is lighting it up in the KHL
- bradster


Yes. But wonder if he will ever come over. Also wonder what he is making over there. Will look up when I have more time.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Nov 29 @ 7:41 PM ET
If they trade captain comfortable, will he bring more back in a trade then they gave up for RR? Be funny as all hell if not.
- hello it's me 2050


I agree. Could see the old trade and resign happen, but only if he’s looking to go win.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Nov 29 @ 7:42 PM ET
Wow Marchand the rat got suspended for three games for slew footing OEL.
Must of been a mistake.

- bird_dog_pa


Good. He had consistently gotten away with it throughout his career.
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Nov 29 @ 7:45 PM ET
Fletcher isn't going to deviate from his plan after 20 games. The first shoe to drop will be a coaching change should this slide continue. The Risto extension is a foregone conclusion. Otherwise the GM would have to admit his blunder and we all know that is not going to happen.

The Flyers have all their draft picks yet for 2022 and 2023, minus their second rounders. Plenty of ammunition for Fletcher to load the team up for its cup run this season.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Nov 29 @ 7:56 PM ET
funny their deepest position for the franchise is goaltending, after all these years you would think that meant good things.

Flyers 5-3 over Rangers
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 29 @ 7:58 PM ET
Fletcher isn't going to deviate from his plan after 20 games. The first shoe to drop will be a coaching change should this slide continue. The Risto extension is a foregone conclusion. Otherwise the GM would have to admit his blunder and we all know that is not going to happen.

The Flyers have all their draft picks yet for 2022 and 2023, minus their second rounders. Plenty of ammunition for Fletcher to load the team up for its cup run this season.

- StepfordSam


Can you specify what Cup that is?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 29 @ 8:00 PM ET
There is so much wrong here that I don't even know where to start. We just saw multiple games where teams rushed the puck down the Flyers throats on rushes and speed through he neutral zone. Florida racked up 45 scoring chances in the game. Hamilton spent the entire game deep in the Flyers zone camped at the net wth not threat of a counter attack. Yet you think teams believe the way to beat the Flyers is to dump and chase. You can't make it up. Tomahawk was right when he said you have no idea what's going on out there.
Dump and chase. LOL. There is oodles of open ice, no back pressure and no forecheck from the Flyers. It's a straight skate right into the Flyers zone. A team dumping against the Flyers would be the equivalent of the Hansen Bros in slap shot. My goodness just when I think it can't get any worse

- MJL

Hmmm .. did you watch the Bruins telecast last Saturday? I don't think so, but guess what, I DID!! The Bruins want to get pucks deep behind the Flyers defense because they feel they can beat them to the pucks, win the battles and gain possession. That is what I posted and it is 100% accurate! As I stated, teams adjust their attack strategy based on the team they play against, which is also 100% accurate. AV nor any coach would ever tell a team to dump and chase all the time which is the statement I was responding to. You of course would not know this because you have NEVER played even 1 minute of a real hockey game!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 29 @ 8:06 PM ET
Ristolainen was leading him on purpose. He led him too far obviously. He had to reach out and lunge with his stick on one hand just to get a piece of it. It's crystal clear on the replay.
- MJL

He didn't have to reach out and lunge for the puck!! That is what you are not getting and the reason you are getting it is because you have never played even 1 minute of a real hockey game. As a poster stated, that is played in a beer league than what Provey did there. But that was not the only Provey mistake of the night. He turned the puck over multiple times in the 1st period and got beat to the outside on the 4th Devil's goal also, so if you were truly unbiased you be railing on Provey today!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 29 @ 8:06 PM ET
Even at the beer league level that’s not all that difficult a play. It’s just not. You just chip it out.

You call it a bad pass I would say Risto was leading him on purpose and the two d were not on the same sheet of music.

Either way dude was a mess on that play, it was his responsibility and he is very overrated while making a ton of money. You gotta see he is killing us right now.

Please waste time ripping guys like Thompson, Seeler and Brassard.. the problem is our best players not the 4th line and 3rd d pair.

- Joe Nardone

100% correct IMO, the Flyers best players are NOT top players in the league, and that has been a problem for quite a while now!
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Nov 29 @ 8:07 PM ET
Fletcher isn't going to deviate from his plan after 20 games. The first shoe to drop will be a coaching change should this slide continue. The Risto extension is a foregone conclusion. Otherwise the GM would have to admit his blunder and we all know that is not going to happen.

The Flyers have all their draft picks yet for 2022 and 2023, minus their second rounders. Plenty of ammunition for Fletcher to load the team up for its cup run this season.

- StepfordSam


If by cup run you mean by not coming in last in the division then that’s possible.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 29 @ 8:10 PM ET
Both players could have done better. But the pass is what initiated the entire sequence. Even if Provy had corralled the pass, the Devils forechecker would have been on him IMMEDIATELY.

It's neither here nor there, tho. They didn't deserve to win that game.

- Tomahawk

I don't agree with this statement, before that comical play the Flyers had all the momentum and looked poised to win the game. That play obviously turned it around in a hurry, but up to that point, the Flyers had battled back to tie the game, killed two penalties and had momentum from their PP, things were going their way until ...
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Nov 29 @ 8:11 PM ET
fedetov is lighting it up in the KHL
- bradster


Fedotov is basically Niko Hovinen. Late bloomer in Europe. Huge frame. Lot of moving parts. Gaudy stats over there. He's still basically a split-time starter -- and the other CSKA goalie is having a strong season, too. Has never been a Russian national team selection for any major tournament. The KHL in general is a pretty low-scoring league, although he's faring particularly well. He's 25, so it's not too late for him to come over but I wouldn't expect it. He did, however, attend one Flyers development camp some years ago.

I do think Fedotov competes harder than Hovinen did, so that helps.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 29 @ 8:12 PM ET
Hmmm .. did you watch the Bruins telecast last Saturday? I don't think so, but guess what, I DID!! The Bruins want to get pucks deep behind the Flyers defense because they feel they can beat them to the pucks, win the battles and gain possession. That is what I posted and it is 100% accurate! As I stated, teams adjust their attack strategy based on the team they play against, which is also 100% accurate. AV nor any coach would ever tell a team to dump and chase all the time which is the statement I was responding to. You of course would not know this because you have NEVER played even 1 minute of a real hockey game!
- jd250


No, what you posted is that you believe teams think that the way to beat the Flyers is to dump and chase against them. Which is absurd considering how easy to move through the neutral zone and gain entry with control all season has been against the Flyers. After all we just watched that happen not only against the Devils which had won 2 of their last 7 games. But also against Florida, TB and Carolina.
This "NEVER played even 1 minute of a real hockey game" is just your latest schtick. When in reality we have hundreds of interactions between you and I that actually proves who knows what they're talking about and who doesn't. You're just trying to convince yourself with that line. This dump and chase theory you have is just the latest uninformed statement.
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