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ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Nov 28 @ 6:57 PM ET
the problem is, ronnie had 5 years of drafting and developing, and probably top management saw ronnie picked no difference makers in that time and realized HExtall just wasted that time without getting much out of it. Maybe homer knew before anyone that Sandheim was just ok, and provy not a legit #1 that ronnie thought they would be so time to cut the cord. And with his culture of backstabbing and spying, that crap shouldnt be tolerated in any sort of business.
- bradster

The whole culture thing he had going was another story, and not a good one
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Nov 28 @ 6:58 PM ET
I grew up watching Lindros. This team hasn't been competitive for around a decade now. This team is so hard to watch
- 2Real

And they crying about the Tombstone injury in the studio 😆 he probably would have lost all puck battles vs this young fast Devils 😈
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 28 @ 6:58 PM ET
It’s over, the organization has become a pathetic mess.
- ClaudeFather


What's a better situation for a team? A team that is not good enough and is capped out with older aging veteran players signed to deals with term? Or a team that is not good enough, in a better cap situation with decent prospects still looking for elite players?

I'm looking forward to when they tighten the noose by re-signing Ristolainen for 5 years and 30M.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Nov 28 @ 6:58 PM ET
He could've traded Simmons earlier. I'll give you that. He wasn't perfect.
- MJL



For sure, but easy for us to say, he fell a step short of the rebuild that was needed. If he added picks from jake or simmer, this would be a different team.

Again incomplete, I think worse case if no players gets better, no surprises from his lower picks hit, he ends up at average to slightly below. One impact player hits, like Hart, then he is a B-, more than that then we can talk B and up. Just my take
konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Nov 28 @ 7:01 PM ET
People pretending Hextall didn't do a good job makes me laugh.
- MJL

You are such a fraud....
Where are your depth players mister know it all!!!


You go to talk football cause you are such a coward to have a debate....
Oh you are on my list...Im going to cry cause you made a point i didn't like.
Phuck you you blow hard coward!!
rayc16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Free Frosty
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 28 @ 7:02 PM ET
I made my post about him weeks back, he was extremely mediocre. Hart is great obviously, Provy was a loaded top 10, TK and Sanheim are nice picks but it’s a ton of nothing, the center depth essentially went extinct which is horrible and killing this team. He didn’t do a good job, he was average, at best.
- ClaudeFather


Speculating it's why he wanted to draft Patrick despite the rumors some scouts wanted to draft a different player. Then Frost later in the same draft and JOB next draft. Hasn't worked out.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Nov 28 @ 7:02 PM ET
What's a better situation for a team? A team that is not good enough and is capped out with older aging veteran players signed to deals with term? Or a team that is not good enough, in a better cap situation with decent prospects still looking for elite players?

I'm looking forward to when they tighten the noose by re-signing Ristolainen for 5 years and 30M.

- MJL

I agree with you. It’s obviously the latter. I’ve actually liked his play, with Hayes coots Provy Ellis all locked up long term, it’s scary to lock up another mediocre player tho. Downright scary to be honest, that’s the core....
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 28 @ 7:03 PM ET
Speculating it's why he wanted to draft Patrick despite the rumors some scouts wanted to draft a different player. Then Frost later in the same draft and JOB next draft. Hasn't worked out.
- rayc16


There wasn't a consensus among the scouts. Some wanted Patrick, some Makar and some Heiskanen.
konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Nov 28 @ 7:03 PM ET
German Rubstov! Great depth
- ClaudeFather



Cliff is still working on a depth list for us....
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Nov 28 @ 7:03 PM ET
the problem is, ronnie had 5 years of drafting and developing, and probably top management saw ronnie picked no difference makers in that time and realized HExtall just wasted that time without getting much out of it. Maybe homer knew before anyone that Sandheim was just ok, and provy not a legit #1 that ronnie thought they would be so time to cut the cord. And with his culture of backstabbing and spying, that crap shouldnt be tolerated in any sort of business.
- bradster



That last part about how he ran his department should never be tolerated…agreed. But if your going to pull that poop you had better have success. Hextall accomplished basically next to nothing that can be seen as a job well done…some make it seem like the Flyers were the only team drafting average players while he was GM.
rayc16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Free Frosty
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 28 @ 7:04 PM ET
It’s over, the organization has become a pathetic mess.
- ClaudeFather

Hextall has been gone for 3 years now and Dave Scott (and Holmer) told us this team was ready to win when the fired him. It looks pretty bleak right now. Hopefully something changes soon. No faith in current management.
konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Nov 28 @ 7:05 PM ET
Well then you're simply not being objective. A good pick is a good pick. Simple as that. Hextall drafted a top pairing defenseman who is the teams best defenseman. That's the undeniable facts.
- MJL


Where is the depth list?

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 28 @ 7:06 PM ET
Hextall has been gone for 3 years now and Dave Scott (and Holmer) told us this team was ready to win when the fired him. It looks pretty bleak right now. Hopefully something changes soon. No faith in current management.
- rayc16


It's sure looking like Hextall was right. It cracks me up that some complain and moan about how this organization does things and then criticizes Hextall for wanting to come in and completely change how things are done.
MrBuzzcut
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.04.2007

Nov 28 @ 7:10 PM ET
It's basically near the point where I stop complaining and just become apathetic. That is the worst thing for any sports franchise is when fans stop caring.
- PLindbergh31



I've been at that point for a while now.

Haven't bothered with Center Ice going on three seasons and I don't feel I'm missing anything.

The Flyers have become just another mediocre team in a poorly-run league.

konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Nov 28 @ 7:10 PM ET
It's sure looking like Hextall was right. It cracks me up that some complain and moan about how this organization does things and then criticizes Hextall for wanting to come in and completely change how things are done.
- MJL

Where is your depth list fraud?

Go ahead, answer through someone else you big baby!!
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Nov 28 @ 7:12 PM ET
I don’t understand the Ristolainen controversy on this page. Our three best best defenders for the most part have been Provorov, Braun and Risto for the most part. Sanheim is coming around but when. sanheim has been bad, he’s been horrid.

This team needs to score.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 28 @ 7:14 PM ET
I don’t understand the Ristolainen controversy on this page. Our three best best defenders for the most part have been Provorov, Braun and Risto for the most part. Sanheim is coming around but when. sanheim has been bad, he’s been horrid.

This team needs to score.

- SuperSchennBros

Scoring goals and playing from ahead does fix a lot of other problems
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 28 @ 7:15 PM ET
Same old thing. Flyers keep putting the puck up the wall into a puck battle. Continually giving up possession.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 28 @ 7:16 PM ET
It's sure looking like Hextall was right. It cracks me up that some complain and moan about how this organization does things and then criticizes Hextall for wanting to come in and completely change how things are done.
- MJL

Right about what exactly? Hextall signed JVR to a big 5 year contract because I perceive he thought this Flyers team was ready to contend, right? Was he right at the time and was signing JVR a good thing in hindsight?
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Nov 28 @ 7:18 PM ET
More if that classic Flyers defensive coverage.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 28 @ 7:19 PM ET
Right about what exactly? Hextall signed JVR to a big 5 year contract because I perceive he thought this Flyers team was ready to contend, right? Was he right at the time and was signing JVR a good thing in hindsight?
- jd250


In my opinion you are incorrect that he signed JVR thinking the team was ready to contend. Hextall was correct that the team needed to remain patient and focus on drafting and developing.
konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Nov 28 @ 7:19 PM ET
Same old thing. Flyers keep putting the puck up the wall into a puck battle. Continually giving up possession.
- MJL



Great depth right coward?
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Nov 28 @ 7:19 PM ET
I don’t even know who to blame there. Both defenders just watched and let Hamilton stand there.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 28 @ 7:19 PM ET
someone please tell me who from the Flyers was supposed to cover Hamilton on that play??
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Nov 28 @ 7:19 PM ET
George Hamilton so pale 😆 🤣 😂
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