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hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Nov 29 @ 7:51 AM ET
Wasn't it a pleasure watching a top defenseman like Hamilton play tonight? Man I wish the Flyers had signed him.
- MJL

I have zero doubt the GM called his agent to see where he is at. After that who knows what happened.

The money was going to be the same more or less no matter where he went. My guess is he didn't want to sign in Philly.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Nov 29 @ 7:53 AM ET

Life has been really busy and I have missed the last handful of games. Tuned into the radio broadcast during the 3rd last night, just before that Bratt scored. Bummer.

Okay, I’m just going to forget that happened and give this week’s game my undivided attention. It’s a must win against the Rangers on Wednesday. Also, next week has 10 points on the line and that rematch against the Devils right in the middle. I think this will be the make-or-break week of the season.

Time to get it together…or else. Let’s go Flyers!

PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Nov 29 @ 7:57 AM ET
Lets update the running tally. 15 straight games of 3 goals or less, have not won back to back games since October 27 & 28.

Over the course of the last 15 games they have averaged a pathetic, inept 1.7 goals per game. Something has to change. I don't think a coaching change is going to provide much if at all. You are going to go from Vigneault to Yeo? Won't accomplish anything. I'd probably start by firing Fletcher. When I asked when he was hired what does his past resume make anyone think he was going to build a winning team. Got no answers. Well here we are a bottom feeder.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Nov 29 @ 7:57 AM ET
Morning flyers fans. Another good effort and game. As long as they continue down this path all will be well in the long run.

I have changed my stance. I hope the GM and coaching staff stay intact the rest of the year. It will def be more entertaining if they keep them both around. Nothing will ever really change until they sell.

I just want to see what desperate trade the GM will make first.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 29 @ 7:57 AM ET
Would be nice to have a legit play-driver as a #1. Might be time to move on from Provy, if possible.
- Tomahawk


No, they need that player and Provorov in my opinion.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 29 @ 7:58 AM ET
He plays every game, and he’s the best they got, that being said he’s been underwhelming. I thought he’d be better than he is.
- PLindbergh31


Guy is an absolute warrior and machine, but yeah... I don't think this team is going anywhere with him as their #1.

2021 requires your 25+ min/per workhorse to be great in transition and a superior playmaker. Provy is just not that.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 29 @ 8:00 AM ET
But at that critical moment, they clearly were not in sync. Risto makes a decent cross ice pass probably thinking that is where Provey would be, and it appeared Provey was not ready for it and tried to compensate but was too late to the party. This to me points to lack of chemistry between the partners, exactly what you don't want to have happen in a critical point in the game. Then soon after Provey is out there with Yandle and the next disaster occurs.
- jd250



You're making way too much of this. Ristolainen didn't make a decent pass, he made a horrible pass and it has nothing to do with the pairings. It's a routine play botched.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 29 @ 8:01 AM ET
No, they need that player and Provorov in my opinion.
- MJL


They'd have to draft that player then, given their cap constraints.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Nov 29 @ 8:02 AM ET
Lets update the running tally. 15 straight games of 3 goals or less, have not won back to back games since October 27 & 28.

Over the course of the last 15 games they have averaged a pathetic, inept 1.7 goals per game. Something has to change. I don't think a coaching change is going to provide much if at all. You are going to go from Vigneault to Yeo? Won't accomplish anything. I'd probably start by firing Fletcher. When I asked when he was hired what does his past resume make anyone think he was going to build a winning team. Got no answers. Well here we are a bottom feeder.

- PLindbergh31

The Flyers are dead. Be better off renaming the team. They have no up and coming coach in the system. No up and coming GM type executive in the system. Average run of the mill prospect pool. No star players. Not a destination to attract top end players (without a huge overpayment).

Go Flyers.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Nov 29 @ 8:02 AM ET
Guy is an absolute warrior and machine, but yeah... I don't think this team is going anywhere with him as their #1.

2021 requires your 25+ min/per workhorse to be great in transition and a superior playmaker. Provy is just not that.

- Tomahawk

He has proven that he is a Robin not a Batman. That isn't a bad thing mind you.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 29 @ 8:03 AM ET
I thought it about this last night, given the schedule and division they play in, if the Flyers are not in contention to make the playoffs by January 2022, I say CF has got to make G, JVR, Sanheim, Brassard, Braun and Yandle all available at the deadline. Then in the off season he must entertain offers for TK. The 2022 draft is a strong one compared to the 2021 draft and with these trades the Flyers can probably get another 1st round pick and recoup their 2nd round pick, plus add lower draft picks. This should give CF flexibility to maneuver up and down the board and get the players he wants. Then next year, I go in with Frost, York, Zamula, Allison, Foerster and one of our 3 goalies in the system. You have plenty of veteran leadership still on the team and augment with additional FAs signed or player(s) you get back in the TK trade. I really want to start over here and build around Hart, Ellis, Couts and Bee. Also depending on how the season goes, you replace AV and his staff! We need to start fresh start here, I'm really sick and tired of watching this trash game in and game out, its embarrassing!
- jd250


My how the tide has turned. Post after post from you on how first round picks are overrated and how it's time to use them to make trades to improve the team. Post after post about having to wait for 2-3 years for the player to develop and on and on and on. Now after all the off season changes, your claims that the GM made all the right moves and changed the culture. Now you want them to start over. 20 games is all it took.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 29 @ 8:04 AM ET
They'd have to draft that player then, given their cap constraints.
- Tomahawk



The first step is letting Ristolainen walk or moving at the deadline and the GM eating some crow.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 29 @ 8:04 AM ET
Lets update the running tally. 15 straight games of 3 goals or less, have not won back to back games since October 27 & 28.

Over the course of the last 15 games they have averaged a pathetic, inept 1.7 goals per game. Something has to change. I don't think a coaching change is going to provide much if at all. You are going to go from Vigneault to Yeo? Won't accomplish anything. I'd probably start by firing Fletcher. When I asked when he was hired what does his past resume make anyone think he was going to build a winning team. Got no answers. Well here we are a bottom feeder.

- PLindbergh31

Was watching the Wild beat Tampa yesterday, the Wild are a really good team this year. How much of that team is from Fletcher? Answer, still quite a few players. I honestly don't blame Fletcher for this, I still like what he has done over the past few seasons.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 29 @ 8:05 AM ET
Guy is an absolute warrior and machine, but yeah... I don't think this team is going anywhere with him as their #1.

2021 requires your 25+ min/per workhorse to be great in transition and a superior playmaker. Provy is just not that.

- Tomahawk


Provorov realistically is a really good #2.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 29 @ 8:07 AM ET
True, we don't want to admit it but Provey is not a top pairing defenseman, at least he is not playing like one this year, nor last year.
- jd250


Provorov absolutely is a top pairing defenseman. He's just not a team leading #1.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Nov 29 @ 8:08 AM ET
Was watching the Wild beat Tampa yesterday, the Wild are a really good team this year. How much of that team is from Fletcher? Answer, still quite a few players. I honestly don't blame Fletcher for this, I still like what he has done over the past few seasons.
- jd250


Like what he's done? Ristolainen has been pretty bad, Ellis doesn't play. Outside of a hot start, Atkinson has been pretty pedestrian. What has Fletcher done that has worked?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 29 @ 8:08 AM ET
My how the tide has turned. Post after post from you on how first round picks are overrated and how it's time to use them to make trades to improve the team. Post after post about having to wait for 2-3 years for the player to develop and on and on and on. Now after all the off season changes, your claims that the GM made all the right moves and changed the culture. Now you want them to start over. 20 games is all it took.
- MJL

I like the moves that Fletcher made this off season, nothing I posted here contradicts that at all. As I stated, I'm tired of watching this set of players, they are simply NOT GOOD ENOUGH and wishing they will all just play better is not going to make it happen. Somehow hoping a coaching change is going to turn mediocre at best talent into top NHL talent is not going to happen. This group needs to be altered significantly and I, unlike what you are ever willing to do, have laid out a detailed plan on how I would do it.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 29 @ 8:10 AM ET
The first step is letting Ristolainen walk or moving at the deadline and the GM eating some crow.
- MJL


As long as CF is still in charge (and Risto is willing) an extension is a foregone conclusion.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 29 @ 8:10 AM ET
The pass was in front of Provey no doubt, but Provey made a bad play there. Instead of reaching for the puck, he should just played the puck off the boards and make the simple play and flip it out. Instead he reaches for it, gets off balance and lets the Devil forwards take it and walk right in. Honestly Risto was rushed to make the pass by the on coming forechecker but Provey played that like a rookie!
- jd250


LMAO. So you make every excuse under the sun for the guy who actually botched the play and put it all on Provorov. How anyone can watch that and state that Ristolainen was rushed is astonishing. Yet you make posts calling other posters credibility into question. Can't make it up.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Nov 29 @ 8:11 AM ET
Nothing will change with CF as GM.
I wasn’t excited when he was hired but I was willing to give the guy a chance.
Ok he had a chance this last offseason. He rolled the dice and it isn’t working out.
Even if the flyers right the ship of and when Ellis and Hayes get back they will be buried and out of playoff contention.
It’s obvious this isn’t about injuries. Losing by a goal or two when you lose ok possible.
When your getting blown out, giving up high quality scoring chances as if it’s Christmas 24/7, and completely void of any continuity in the offensive zone.
That’s not injuries that’s the players not playing and doing what they are supposed to do.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 29 @ 8:12 AM ET
Like what he's done? Ristolainen has been pretty bad, Ellis doesn't play. Outside of a hot start, Atkinson has been pretty pedestrian. What has Fletcher done that has worked?
- PLindbergh31

Risto has not been "pretty bad", so don't even start there. Has he been lights out dominant? Well he was heading that way but has taken a significant detour the past 4 games or so. Martin has been a solid pickup. Ellis is just bad luck, nothing more. When he plays you can see how good he is and how much better this team plays when he is healthy and on the ice. Yandle and Seeler are playing way too many minutes because of the Ellis injury, one of the trickle down effects. Thompson was never signed to play his number of minutes either, but with Hayes an Allison out, he was been forced to play much more also. Cam is disappointing right now, not sure what is going on but he looks about 50% slower out there than when the season started. I wonder if he is also fighting through an injury?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 29 @ 8:14 AM ET
LMAO. So you make every excuse under the sun for the guy who actually botched the play and put it all on Provorov. How anyone can watch that and state that Ristolainen was rushed is astonishing. Yet you make posts calling other posters credibility into question. Can't make it up.
- MJL

Watch the replay, and look at what Risto did just before he made that pass. Its called watching the game versus watching the metrics!
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Nov 29 @ 8:15 AM ET
Risto has not been "pretty bad", so don't even start there. Has he been lights out dominant? Well he was heading that way but has taken a significant detour the past 4 games or so. Martin has been a solid pickup. Ellis is just bad luck, nothing more. When he plays you can see how good he is and how much better this team plays when he is healthy and on the ice. Yandle and Seeler are playing way too many minutes because of the Ellis injury, one of the trickle down effects. Thompson was never signed to play his number of minutes either, but with Hayes an Allison out, he was been forced to play much more also. Cam is disappointing right now, not sure what is going on but he looks about 50% slower out there than when the season started. I wonder if he is also fighting through an injury?
- jd250


Most people questioned Ellis' durability when they acquired him. How is it bad luck that the guy was literally hurt immediately?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 29 @ 8:15 AM ET
I like the moves that Fletcher made this off season, nothing I posted here contradicts that at all. As I stated, I'm tired of watching this set of players, they are simply NOT GOOD ENOUGH and wishing they will all just play better is not going to make it happen. Somehow hoping a coaching change is going to turn mediocre at best talent into top NHL talent is not going to happen. This group needs to be altered significantly and I, unlike what you are ever willing to do, have laid out a detailed plan on how I would do it.
- jd250


It doesn't? You want them to start over. How does wanting them to start over reflect on the moves that Fletcher made? How does adding a defenseman in his 30's, with 6 more years left that can't stay healthy reconcile with wanting to start over? You haven't laid out a detailed plan. LOL. You listed a few players you want to get rid of.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 29 @ 8:15 AM ET
Provorov absolutely is a top pairing defenseman. He's just not a team leading #1.
- MJL

How is life in La la land? Provey is honestly not that good, but I know you will never admit it given he was yet another Hextall drafted player.
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