- #1 RHD
- 1C (preferably over 6' with the skill of Petey (but the heart of Horvat))
- At least 2 Top6 wingers (preferably RHW)
- 2 Top4 D-men
TRADE ASSETS:
Miller
Horvat
Boeser
Myers
Poolman
Schenn
Motte
Sutter
Chaisson
LIKELY RETURN FOR TRADE ASSETS:
At least 2 late 1st round picks, a 2nd and 3rd plus 2 Grade A prospects and/or cost controlled RFAs and cap savings.
This is predicated on the team firing JB/TG and hiring a competent President of Hockey Ops and a management team and coaching staff that are all in on the plan. Note I purposefully left QH and Petey off of the trade assets since you need something to keep fan interest and be prepared for the next core. - DariusKnight
There needs to be some personnel changes, but I think your proposal to make that many changes....again, is a bit much. The biggest and probably the best change is Green and 3/4 of the coaching staff, trade deadline move players. This group has some really talented players, the ineptitude of Green to have any type of a system except to collapse defensively is the issue. I really want an experienced NHL coach but Fin or even Lefty would be better.
I would have kicked Green to the curb in year 1, I hated the choice and got absolutely flamed over my dislike, now people final understand and have caught up.
There needs to be some personnel changes, but I think your proposal to make that many changes....again, is a bit much. The biggest and probably the best change is Green and 3/4 of the coaching staff, trade deadline move players. This group has some really talented players, the ineptitude of Green to have any type of a system except to collapse defensively is the issue. I really want an experienced NHL coach but Fin or even Lefty would be better.
I would have kicked Green to the curb in year 1, I hated the choice and got absolutely flamed over my dislike, now people final understand and have caught up. - Makita
Agree.
I think changing the coaching staff will have the biggest impact, and continually cycling players in and out is hard to create chemistry.
I think at the TDL shipping out Miller, Motte, Chaisson, Halak, and any other periphery scrubs would be the best. Get some picks, get some solid prospects/players from JTM, and head into the offseason with the new GM and coach having had the past half year to evaluate and craft a plan and go from there.
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There needs to be some personnel changes, but I think your proposal to make that many changes....again, is a bit much. The biggest and probably the best change is Green and 3/4 of the coaching staff, trade deadline move players. This group has some really talented players, the ineptitude of Green to have any type of a system except to collapse defensively is the issue. I really want an experienced NHL coach but Fin or even Lefty would be better.
I would have kicked Green to the curb in year 1, I hated the choice and got absolutely flamed over my dislike, now people final understand and have caught up. - Makita
All I'll say is that the rot runs deep and needs to be tore out at it's roots. Drastic changes are needed and this entire team needs to be re-thought, rebuilt from the ground up, and you need most of the old core gone and the assets they'll get in order to do so. Note I never put Petey, QH, Hogs or Podz or Demko as assets to trade because I think they're still young enough to be able to grow with a new core together. But that means major surgery needs to happen over the rest of this year, this off-season and next, everyone needs to go eventually.
All I'll say is that the rot runs deep and needs to be tore out at it's roots. Drastic changes are needed and this entire team needs to be re-thought, rebuilt from the ground up, and you need most of the old core gone and the assets they'll get in order to do so. Note I never put Petey, QH, Hogs or Podz or Demko as assets to trade because I think they're still young enough to be able to grow with a new core together. But that means major surgery needs to happen over the rest of this year, this off-season and next, everyone needs to go eventually. - DariusKnight
I don't think a full tear down is necessarily the case. I get the notion of it, but I'd like to see what a new coach can do for the room. We all talk about Sutter in Calgary and how he changed around that team and the room – people were talking about a rotten core in Calgary last year as well. Winning fixes a lot of issues, both inside and outside the dressing room.
I agree there needs to be pruning and players need to be shipped out – either for assets as they're at their most valuable, or because they're a negative impact on the team, or because they're not in the future plans. Unfortunately players like Poolman and Myers have negative value, so they're going to be really hard to move unless you're paying someone to take them.
From your list, I think JTM, Motte, and Chaisson are good to go. Poolman, Schenn, and Myers are tougher to move with their contracts. Sutter probably won't even play this year, so he's not really an asset. As for Horvat and Boeser, I think one of them will get shaken out. Horvat is tougher to trade from a loyalty perspective, but if he makes it clear to management he isn't going to resign, you sort of have to move him.
An immediate coach change would help determine players value where they fit into future plans. Then the TDL would be better suited to consider trades after a sizeable amount of games are played til then.
Maybe the hold up is a deep search & him picking his assistants.
All I'll say is that the rot runs deep and needs to be tore out at it's roots. Drastic changes are needed and this entire team needs to be re-thought, rebuilt from the ground up, and you need most of the old core gone and the assets they'll get in order to do so. Note I never put Petey, QH, Hogs or Podz or Demko as assets to trade because I think they're still young enough to be able to grow with a new core together. But that means major surgery needs to happen over the rest of this year, this off-season and next, everyone needs to go eventually. - DariusKnight
You like having a "core" that is the softest in league history?
Having both Miller and Bo gone leaves the stickman Pouty and Dickinson as your 2 remaining centres and both of them are brutal centres.
If they are tearing it down, I think you start with either Pouty or Hughes, I would think Pouty as a skinny winger is easier to replace than a #5 PP specialist defenseman.
JB’s days are numbered. Green with his results & no Pres was a set up to fail. I’d keep JB on in a head scout role if he’ll take the demotion. - Nighthawk
The draft coming up will be very important. Can always make changes after. The new GM can remake the core & team as he sees it. - Nighthawk
Why keep the same incompetent GM in place, let him draft in a "very important" draft, and then fire him and bring in a new GM that has to deal with it all? Makes much more sense to have the new GM in place so they can enact their vision/plan as soon as possible.
JB's drafting has been very spotty. Some big hits. Some big misses. The new GM will more-than-likely have the same scouts in place that JB put into position this first year, so the information he receives will be the same.
The draft coming up will be very important. Can always make changes after. The new GM can remake the core & team as he sees it. - Nighthawk
Yes It will be a very important draft, the team will get a chance at getting a franchise centre or defenseman, let's not have Benning have the opportunity to fuck up another top 10 pick.
Why keep the same incompetent GM in place, let him draft in a "very important" draft, and then fire him and bring in a new GM that has to deal with it all? Makes much more sense to have the new GM in place so they can enact their vision/plan as soon as possible.
JB's drafting has been very spotty. Some big hits. Some big misses. The new GM will more-than-likely have the same scouts in place that JB put into position this first year, so the information he receives will be the same. - NewYorkNuck
Out of curiosity, if a GM has his ability to make trades taken away, would the owner/s have to register that with the league, or is it done on an honour system?
Also, if the team is owned by a family, would the family members all have to register that position with the league?
Just curious, as to how it works, especially after the shitshow with Roger's.
Out of curiosity, if a GM has his ability to make trades taken away, would the owner/s have to register that with the league, or is it done on an honour system?
Also, if the team is owned by a family, would the family members all have to register that position with the league?
Just curious, as to how it works, especially after the shitshow with Roger's. - Reubenkincade
I believe anyone authorized can make deals. Once the league office receives the transaction details it will know who signed off. Time stamped & verified ensues be my guess.
