No openly insulting other posters. I’ve edited the post.
- Dozzer

Fair, thanks for bringing it in line. 👍

Oh man, people get so hurt in the ass if you dare hold Marner to a standard and then you end up defending your position for pages on pages. 🤦🏻‍♂️

Campbell has yet to sign his extension... Right? Be a little silly to hold someone to heightened expectations at 1.6 million per. It's moot anyways, Campbell is playing well above any standard any of us could possibly hold him too.

Mitch Marner is literally paid 10.9 (frank)ing million dollars a season, is it really that unrealistic for someone to expect a powerplay goal or two for that money. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Show me one other player who is paid above 10 million a season in this league with a stain on his record like 92 games without a powerplay goal, I'll wait.
- joel878

on the contrary. Hold Marner to higher standard just not because he make 10.9 mil.
hold him to higher standards because he's a damn good player.

and what is his role on the team?

to make players around better by setting them up.

I get that you're pissed that he hasn't scored a PP goal in 92 games which is sad that he hasn't scored in such a long time on the pp.

Fair, thanks for bringing it in line. 👍
- joel878

Just different opinions is all and you guys tend to get worked up a tad more during the actual games lol

flashy open net goal
- dmnted

Trying to defy the laws of physics and phase the puck through skates.

Far from it, again... I literally pointed out how crazy it was that he's gone 92 games without a powerplay goal and scored shorthanded. That's it.

When 3 different people come at you for that it kinda puts you on the defense 🤷🏻‍♂️
- joel878

I didnt come at you, just simply pointed out hes mostly used as a set up man.
I even agreed with a couple of your points.

Hes been a +ppg player for the past 3 years.
No doubt he'll remain there by the end of the year.
I just want to see him do that in these playoffs
Same with matthews

on the contrary. Hold Marner to higher standard just not because he make 10.9 mil.
hold him to higher standards because he's a damn good player.

and what is his role on the team?

to make players around better by setting them up.

I get that you're pissed that he hasn't scored a PP goal in 92 games which is sad that he hasn't scored in such a long time on the pp.
- dmnted

I'm far from pissed about it, I just think it's ludicrous. I'm willing to bet Marner himself thinks it's ludicrous. He seems to hold himself to about the same standard I am.

I've always felt he (frank)ed himself when he fought for and got that contract. He makes do it all money, you can't have massive flaws in your game at that money.

Rattled turnover prone disaster Marner like we saw in the playoffs and first 10 or so games of the season will sink a team at his cap hit.

on the contrary. Hold Marner to higher standard just not because he make 10.9 mil.
hold him to higher standards because he's a damn good player.

and what is his role on the team?

to make players around better by setting them up.

I get that you're pissed that he hasn't scored a PP goal in 92 games which is sad that he hasn't scored in such a long time on the pp.
- dmnted

Another big reason is that Lou Lamoriello didn’t give him bonuses in his first contract. So the leafs ended up having to make up for that in his second contract or he would have sat out like Nylander did.

If Lou didn’t screw him over in the first contract he wouldn’t have cost as much this time around.

I didnt come at you, just simply pointed out hes mostly used as a set up man.
I even agreed with a couple of your points.

Hes been a +ppg player for the past 3 years.
No doubt he'll remain there by the end of the year.
I just want to see him do that in these playoffs
Same with matthews
- Fakepartofme

I want him to be a more complete player at his money, and it's not because he's him, it's because of the cap space the team has allocated to him and how reliant you are on players when you dedicate that chunk of cap. Because you can't make up for it by expecting the players on the low end of your cap to do it.

I hold Matthews and Tavares to a high standard for the same reasons, I just find those two hit it more regularly and aren't such a liability when they don't.

Just different opinions is all and you guys tend to get worked up a tad more during the actual games lol
- Dozzer

Certain posters are tougher to engage with than others. Such is the nature of the beast. Can you leave the part about not wanting to play with him? That was the important bit ultimately. 🤣

Another big reason is that Lou Lamoriello didn’t give him bonuses in his first contract. So the leafs ended up having to make up for that in his second contract or he would have sat out like Nylander did.

If Lou didn’t screw him over in the first contract he wouldn’t have cost as much this time around.
- Dozzer

This as well.
Probably would have signed for 9.9 had lou not been a bish about spending someone elses money

I am absolutely loving the complaints about the lack of scoring of the guy who is the only goal scorer tonight

I want him to be a more complete player at his money, and it's not because he's him, it's because of the cap space the team has allocated to him and how reliant you are on players when you dedicate that chunk of cap. Because you can't make up for it by expecting the players on the low end of your cap to do it.

I hold Matthews and Tavares to a high standard for the same reasons, I just find those two hit it more regularly and aren't such a liability when they don't.
- joel878

Hes youngish still, im hoping he continues to round out his already pretty good game as well.
He had a bad playoffs last season...no doubt.
Im hoping he makes up for it this season

Certain posters are tougher to engage with than others. Such is the nature of the beast. Can you leave the part about not wanting to play with him? That was the important bit ultimately. 🤣
- joel878

He was a little underpaid in his first contract, a little overpaid in his second, my hope at this point is it evens out moving forward lol

Another big reason is that Lou Lamoriello didn’t give him bonuses in his first contract. So the leafs ended up having to make up for that in his second contract or he would have sat out like Nylander did.

If Lou didn’t screw him over in the first contract he wouldn’t have cost as much this time around.
- Dozzer

But that's not how it works dozzer, people sign contracts willingly. Mitch signed his ELC willingly, there's no makeup clauses in contracts. A contract is a contract.

Can you imagine if this was a real thing? We would owe Campbell 10 million per minimum on his next deal.

If mitch was that sour about no bonuses on his ELC he only has his representation and himself to blame, he signed the deal.

This as well.
Probably would have signed for 9.9 had lou not been a bish about spending someone elses money
- Fakepartofme

I’d be willing to bet that if he was signed for less than 10 we’d hear fewer complaints, as crazy as that is to believe I do lol

He was a little underpaid in his first contract, a little overpaid in his second, my hope at this point is it evens out moving forward lol
- Dozzer

Hopefully he book ends it with another underpaid contract.
After hes made 50plus million, hopefully he signs for 9m.
Dreaming I know

I’d be willing to bet that if he was signed for less than 10 we’d hear fewer complaints, as crazy as that is to believe I do lol
- Dozzer

I think you're 100% right about this.

But that's not how it works dozzer, people sign contracts willingly. Mitch signed his ELC willingly, there's no makeup clauses in contracts.

Can you imagine if this was a real thing? We would owe Campbell 10 million per minimum on his next deal.

If mitch was that sour about no bonuses on his ELC he only has his representation and himself to blame, he signed the deal.
- joel878

He could have sat out for his current contract is what I’m talking about. Wouldn’t matter if you agree or not. The leafs wouldn’t have gone long with that and would have paid him the 10.9 in the end.

I’d be willing to bet that if he was signed for less than 10 we’d hear fewer complaints, as crazy as that is to believe I do lol
- Dozzer

Almost willing to bet it would 99.9% less.
10.9 just doesn't look good.
9.9 would be so much better.

Hopefully he book ends it with another underpaid contract.
After hes made 50plus million, hopefully he signs for 9m.
Dreaming I know
- Fakepartofme

By the time this contract is done he will be 27 and have made more than 70 million dollars without touching endorsements.

He'll likely have made more money than Spezza has made in his entire career.

Yeah, I think he will be fine. 😂

Hopefully he book ends it with another underpaid contract.
After hes made 50plus million, hopefully he signs for 9m.
Dreaming I know
- Fakepartofme

Can I share that dream?

He could have sat out for his current contract is what I’m talking about. Wouldn’t matter if you agree or not. The leafs wouldn’t have gone long with that and would have paid him the 10.9 in the end.
- Dozzer

Should have let him sit. Ultimately he is from Toronto and said he wanted to be a leaf more than anything, Dubas should have tested him on that front before overpaying him just to get him signed.

Dubas thought he had a contender that year though, and as such couldn't let Marner sit. Or the media and fanbase would have tarred and feathered him for not getting him signed.

He should have been allowed to sit a hundred times before paying him for bonuses he agreed to forgo on his ELC, that part is a Marner problem and its not like it put him on food stamps. 🤷🏻‍♂️

One of Kyle's biggest whiffs as GM.

I am absolutely loving the complaints about the lack of scoring of the guy who is the only goal scorer tonight
- Dozzer

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I literally pointed out how crazy it was that he's gone 92 games without a powerplay goal yet he scored shorthanded, and now butt hurt Marner defenders are crawling out of the woodwork.

Just, don't play. I'd rather you didn't.
- joel878

You just seem hurt about Marner is all.

You pin point small areas of his game and run with it.

Should have let him sit. Ultimately he is from Toronto and said he wanted to be a leaf more than anything, Dubas should have tested him on that front before overpaying him just to get him signed.

Dubas thought he had a contender that year though, and as such couldn't let Marner sit. Or the media and fanbase would have tarred and feathered him for not getting him signed.

He should have been allowed to sit a hundred times before paying him for bonuses he agreed to forgo on his ELC, that part is a Marner problem and its not like it put him on food stamps. 🤷🏻‍♂️

One of Kyle's biggest whiffs as GM.
- joel878

Nylander didn’t sit long so obviously Marner and his agent knew he wouldn’t either.

Boom. Contract.