caleb jones was one of the best D in the preseason. hopefully he gets up to speed. quickly probably the best skating D on the team.
- kmw4631

If true shows how bad our D is that a #7 D man is our best skater.

I didn’t suggest, nor do I think Beach was faking his emotions. And his lawyer is in it for the money under the guise of being sympathetic to sexual victims.

If Beach gets a significant settlement and doesn’t give more than a token donation to a sexual victims charity, what will you think then?
- paulr

This seems to be important for you and Mo? Don't get the donating the money part

Talk about moving the goal posts, that first paragraph

Yeah, this is lawyering 101, especially when she's trying to prove a butterfly effect liability case.

I don't fault her tactics, but I also don't view her as any benevolent angel for victims everywhere.
- pdx2ord

Try Machiavellian.

I didn’t suggest, nor do I think Beach was faking his emotions. And his lawyer is in it for the money under the guise of being sympathetic to sexual victims.

If Beach gets a significant settlement and doesn’t give more than a token donation to a sexual victims charity, what will you think then?
- paulr

Didn't say you did suggest that. I used the emotions as something that told me he wasn't in this just as a money grab as a counterpoint to the several posts to that effect this morning.

The last person in this whole scenario I'm going to judge is Beach, regardless of what he does with the money he ends up getting. That is, unless and until someone proves he made the whole thing up, which does not seem to be the case at all.

I'm also not going to judge the Blackhawks because their lawyers are doing what any lawyer would do in this case.

The whole situation is ugly and will remain a stain on the org for a long time in many's minds. Unfortunately, the "journalists" presenting one side of this case are part of the ugliness.

This seems to be important for you and Mo? Don't get the donating the money part

Talk about moving the goal posts, that first paragraph
- BetweenTheDots

In the grand scheme of things Beach doesn't owe anyone anything.

Didn't say you did suggest that. I used the emotions as something that told me he wasn't in this just as a money grab as a counterpoint to the several posts to that effect this morning.

The last person in this whole scenario I'm going to judge is Beach, regardless of what he does with the money he ends up getting. That is, unless and until someone proves he made the whole thing up, which does not seem to be the case at all.

I'm also not going to judge the Blackhawks because their lawyers are doing what any lawyer would do in this case.

The whole situation is ugly and will remain a stain on the org for a long time in many's minds. Unfortunately, the "journalists" presenting on side of this case are part of the ugliness.
- pdx2ord

I agree 100%

@_phil_thompson

According to Susan Loggans, Kyle Beach’s attorney, an analysis she commissioned estimated Beach lost between $60 and $100 million in potential NHL earnings. The Blackhawks haven’t landed on a settlement figure yet, preferring to hire a mediator first.

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Lot of daylight here between Ogi's assessment and this one...no surprise they are looking for a mediator. Just curious for you lawyers on here, which side in a civil case selects and hires the mediator?

Blackhawks' lines at morning skate:

DeBrincat-Dach-Kane
Kubalik-Toews-Khaira
Kurashev-Strome-Borgstrom
RJohnson-Carpenter-Hardman

I so wish that T Johnson was back. Bump R Johnson out of the lineup, put Khaira on the 4th and let them run (I'd like to see what Borgstrom could do with Toews and Kubalik, but I'd be happy with just getting R Johnson off the ice).
- Chunk

are we scratching anybody for Resse Johnson his adv stats are in the mid 20% having played 8 games.

are we scratching anybody for Resse Johnson his adv stats are in the mid 20% having played 8 games.
- kmw4631

Gaudette cannot seem to draw into the lineup.

Wondering how all his talk of crystals, palm reading, saging, witchcraft went over with the old guard hockey guys.

From what I have seen of Stillman, he deserves to be on the ice over Gus and De haan, he’s been pretty steady to my eyes, not sure about his analytical stats.
- Angotti

Not allowed to use your eyes anymore, have to use analytics, so you better do your reasearch on his analytics before you try to make this point.

Well, at least compared to De Haan, the Gus argument you need nothing but logic

Realistically, if everyone is healthy, does Kalynuk get in the starting lineup? Would he be able to replace either Stillman or C. Jones? If it is not a notable upgrade over those two, I think they leave him down to get minutes. Obviously, this is IF everyone is healthy, but he doesn't have to pass through waivers and can get a ton of time in RFD.
- Chunk

My preference would be to keep Kalynuk in Rockford. No need to rush him if the Jones brothers, Murphy, McCabe, de Haan, and Stillman can be the starting 6 with Gustafsson as the 7th.

Kalynuk really wasn't that sharp in his first game of the season for the Hogs a few nights ago. He scored a goal but that was in the 3rd period. For most of the game he was skating a stride behind, making errant passes, and misreading plays.

He needs more time to get up to game shape and speed again. One game in the AHL isn't going to cut it.

I actually like the idea of rolling with the following as the Hogs top 4 for as long as possible so they grow and learn together:

Beaudin - Mitchell
Galvas - Kalynuk
Phillips - Krys

Rotate in Krutil and Regula who is practicing but not game ready yet after getting hurt in training camp.

However, Stanton starts every game but he's been terrible and not much of an upgrade over Franson. Stanton constantly blows his coverage. Would rather have Stanton sit as he's just taking ice time from a prospect.

The other D-men (Watson, LeGuerrier) are simply career minor leaguers so have them ride pine or assign them to Indy. Both are actually with the Fuel now.

Realistically, if everyone is healthy, does Kalynuk get in the starting lineup? Would he be able to replace either Stillman or C. Jones? If it is not a notable upgrade over those two, I think they leave him down to get minutes. Obviously, this is IF everyone is healthy, but he doesn't have to pass through waivers and can get a ton of time in RFD.
- Chunk

I’d prefer Kalynuk over Jones or Stillman, and any of them over gus. Jones and Kalynuk are nearly identical statistically with a really small sample size, both are below average in possession metrics but both can skate very well. I think either can skate their way out of trouble a bit, where as Stillman is more of the McCabe type who stays back. Ideally we have a logjam of solid D to use, although once we start playing good teams again I worry about how this whole perspective changes.

Not allowed to use your eyes anymore, have to use analytics, so you better do your reasearch on his analytics before you try to make this point.

Well, at least compared to De Haan, the Gus argument you need nothing but logic
- vabeachbear

I know, you get scolded here if analytical views don’t come into play as well. Here’s another one, Reese Johnson is not a NHL player, I’d rather have Gus at wing over Johnson, and please no, I don't ever want to see that.

Yeah, this is lawyering 101, especially when she's trying to prove a butterfly effect liability case.

I don't fault her tactics, but I also don't view her as any benevolent angel for victims everywhere.
- pdx2ord

She is not. I know people who used to work for her. All about the spotlight and all about the money. Loves high profile cases.

@_phil_thompson

According to Susan Loggans, Kyle Beach’s attorney, an analysis she commissioned estimated Beach lost between $60 and $100 million in potential NHL earnings. The Blackhawks haven’t landed on a settlement figure yet, preferring to hire a mediator first.

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Lot of daylight here between Ogi's assessment and this one...no surprise they are looking for a mediator. Just curious for you lawyers on here, which side in a civil case selects and hires the mediator?
- pdx2ord

Usually both sides agreed to mediation or it is court ordered. Costs usually split. Either parties agree on mediator or the judge decides (sometimes it could be a panel of 3 mediators....etc., just depends).

Mediation is privileged under Illinois law. Whatever is discussed or disclosed in mediation does not see the light of day unless the privilege is waived.

Just a hunch but I would be surprised if this does not settle in mediation.

I know, you get scolded here if analytical views don’t come into play as well. Here’s another one, Reese Johnson is not a NHL player, I’d rather have Gus at wing over Johnson, and please no, I don't ever want to see that.
- Angotti

I feel like there are better options than Johnson playing in Rockford... rather have Connolly up unless that creates a cap issue.

My preference would be to keep Kalynuk in Rockford. No need to rush him if the Jones brothers, Murphy, McCabe, de Haan, and Stillman can be the starting 6 with Gustafsson as the 7th.

Kalynuk really wasn't that sharp in his first game of the season for the Hogs a few nights ago. He scored a goal but that was in the 3rd period. For most of the game he was skating a stride behind, making errant passes, and misreading plays.

He needs more time to get up to game shape and speed again. One game in the AHL isn't going to cut it.

I actually like the idea of rolling with the following as the Hogs top 4 for as long as possible so they grow and learn together:

Beaudin - Mitchell
Galvas - Kalynuk
Phillips - Krys

Rotate in Krutil and Regula who is practicing but not game ready yet after getting hurt in training camp.

However, Stanton starts every game but he's been terrible and not much of an upgrade over Franson. Stanton constantly blows his coverage. Would rather have Stanton sit as he's just taking ice time from a prospect.

The other D-men (Watson, LeGuerrier) are simply career minor leaguers so have them ride pine or assign them to Indy. Both are actually with the Fuel now.
- Theo Fox

Theo - do you feel most of the young guys playing in Rockford understand why they are playing there vs. the big club? Do you think with King now with the Blackhawks some guys think they deserve a callup too? I hope players don't feel like they are not getting a shot and start demanding trades.

Usually both sides agreed to mediation or it is court ordered. Costs usually split. Either parties agree on mediator or the judge decides (sometimes it could be a panel of 3 mediators....etc., just depends).

Mediation is privileged under Illinois law. Whatever is discussed or disclosed in mediation does not see the light of day unless the privilege is waived.

Just a hunch but I would be surprised if this does not settle in mediation.
- bhawks2241

Thank you!

Can't wait to see the outrage machine after it settles and no one knows the terms.

Id like to pose this question....if accumulating assets is a goal at the TDL, would you consider flipping Murphy for assets and what could you get for him? by assets, I lean to draft picks

Theo - do you feel most of the young guys playing in Rockford understand why they are playing there vs. the big club? Do you think with King now with the Blackhawks some guys think they deserve a callup too? I hope players don't feel like they are not getting a shot and start demanding trades.
- powerenforcer

I would venture to guess that Connolly is better than most, if not all, of the guys playing in Rockford (save possibly for Reichel) in terms of being NHL ready. That being the case, I'm sure that they know why they are down there. None of those guys are "top tier" players. There may be some nice complimentary pieces. Is Nylander really going to demand a trade?

Id like to pose this question....if accumulating assets is a goal at the TDL, would you consider flipping Murphy for assets and what could you get for him? by assets, I lean to draft picks
- glennjpawlak22

I think you consider flipping anything that isn't nailed down at the TDL, unless for some miracle, they are actually in a playoff spot at that time. The kicker is that you don't just give guys away. A defenseman like Murphy should bring back a solid return. What that is, I have no idea, but it's not like he's chopped liver.

I think you consider flipping anything that isn't nailed down at the TDL, unless for some miracle, they are actually in a playoff spot at that time. The kicker is that you don't just give guys away. A defenseman like Murphy should bring back a solid return. What that is, I have no idea, but it's not like he's chopped liver.
- Chunk

Completely agree, but i think expiring contracts are the only thing they will trade away.

I’d prefer Kalynuk over Jones or Stillman, and any of them over gus. Jones and Kalynuk are nearly identical statistically with a really small sample size, both are below average in possession metrics but both can skate very well. I think either can skate their way out of trouble a bit, where as Stillman is more of the McCabe type who stays back. Ideally we have a logjam of solid D to use, although once we start playing good teams again I worry about how this whole perspective changes.
- ObeseOprah

Currently,we have a logjam of defenseman, I wouldn't say a logjam of solid D.

Id like to pose this question....if accumulating assets is a goal at the TDL, would you consider flipping Murphy for assets and what could you get for him? by assets, I lean to draft picks
- glennjpawlak22

I’d flip Murphy for nearly any return. If Keith only got us Caleb Jones and a Third, I’d take a fourth rounder for Murphy.

My preference would be to keep Kalynuk in Rockford. No need to rush him if the Jones brothers, Murphy, McCabe, de Haan, and Stillman can be the starting 6 with Gustafsson as the 7th.

Kalynuk really wasn't that sharp in his first game of the season for the Hogs a few nights ago. He scored a goal but that was in the 3rd period. For most of the game he was skating a stride behind, making errant passes, and misreading plays.

He needs more time to get up to game shape and speed again. One game in the AHL isn't going to cut it.

I actually like the idea of rolling with the following as the Hogs top 4 for as long as possible so they grow and learn together:

Beaudin - Mitchell
Galvas - Kalynuk
Phillips - Krys

Rotate in Krutil and Regula who is practicing but not game ready yet after getting hurt in training camp.

However, Stanton starts every game but he's been terrible and not much of an upgrade over Franson. Stanton constantly blows his coverage. Would rather have Stanton sit as he's just taking ice time from a prospect.

The other D-men (Watson, LeGuerrier) are simply career minor leaguers so have them ride pine or assign them to Indy. Both are actually with the Fuel now.
- Theo Fox

Just please hope to see that Kyrs also gets in. Eventually Rogula should play each night, so maybe after a couple months one of them gets promoted or traded. Expect Kalynuk recalled after a couple weeks