They could keep him with Kampf but maybe replace Engvall with somebody defensively responsible but with some offensive capability.
- Canada Cup

That line spends 80% of its time playing a defensive role in their own zone and jumps off the ice once they clear it.

Stop expecting offence from a defensive line used the way Keefe uses them.

the problem with that is we don't really have any offensively gifted left wingers.

Bunting, maybe?
- PatC80

They will use the TDL for that.

Recording of the shelling on November 11, 1918 stopping followed by the sounds of birds chirping.

https://mobile.twitter.co.../1326727797239328769?s=12
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History channel will be on all day.
It’s always difficult to see the older vets break down when they are retelling the horrors they went through and saw

im pretty sure you can still direct the puck with your skate, even though I dont think he even did that in this case. its the "distinct kicking motion" rule thingy..that I cant see even remotely happening in this case
- senstroll

You correct. That rule was recently changed. You can redirect to puck towards the net but cannot have a distinct kicking motion.

You correct. That rule was recently changed. You can redirect to puck towards the net but cannot have a distinct kicking motion.
- dmnted

And the puck needs to be still as well or it’s supposed to be considered nothing more than a deflection

has a muzzin with anyone else pairing been as effective? I don't think so.
- prock

Looked at this the other day. Filtered out anyone who hadn't played significant minutes with Muzzin as a D partner in the past few years.

If you use GF% at 5v5, Rielly is @ 63.6%, Holl is at 50.7%, Ceci was 50%, Zaitsev was 48.2%, Barrie was 43.8% . . . and prior Martinez in LA was 54.6% for comparison.

In terms of expected Goals, it's similar - Rielly @ 60.3%, Holl @ 50.7%, Zaitsev & Barrie @ 50.3%, Ceci @ 34%. Martinez was 49%.

Certainly Holl's numbers improve with Muzzin (similar to Martinez). While Rielly actually seems to benefit from Muzzin being is partner, Barrie Barrie was significantly worse with Muzzin, and Zaitsev was WAY worse without Muzzin and he was bad to begin with.

So to the point - a Muzzin / Rielly pairing would potentially look optimal, but it would stack the deck a bit too heavily, so I think they're spreading them across the top-4.

Bump

Pretty close Aaron.
- Garnie

Oh poop. I forgot about my prediction! I'll take the 3 - 0 score and MVP Nylander being MVP.

Thanks for the bump

Komagod back to KHL

Getzlaf
Rakell
Manson
Lindholm
Shattenkirk(maybe)

Finally the man behind never making trades is gone(sad story)

The Ducks are going to have a fire sale this TDL.

Oh poop. I forgot about my prediction! I'll take the 3 - 0 score and MVP Nylander being MVP.

Thanks for the bump
- Aaron_85

Got give credit when it’s due.

That line spends 80% of its time playing a defensive role in their own zone and jumps off the ice once they clear it.

Stop expecting offence from a defensive line used the way Keefe uses them.
- Dozzer

I completely understand their role. They actually don’t spend 80% of their time in the defensive zone. They start 80% of their plays in their defensive zone and are able to move it out and into the O zone. Once there, Kase tries to make a play where it dies on Engvall’s stick. There’s no Keefe rule that says that once they do all that work they have to suck offensively.

Replace Engvall with someone who is defensively responsible but has some offensive ability. Kase’s offense is being wasted.

History channel will be on all day.
It’s always difficult to see the older vets break down when they are retelling the horrors they went through and saw
- Fakepartofme

My dad never talked about WW2. He was in Italy and Holland

im pretty sure you can still direct the puck with your skate, even though I dont think he even did that in this case. its the "distinct kicking motion" rule thingy..that I cant see even remotely happening in this case
- senstroll

I am aware of the rule, and i dislike any rule that is open to interpretation. That said, I am aware that by the nature of the sport, most rules, not all, are open to interpretation. The problem I have with rules that are open to interpretation are not the rules, rather trusting the league and officials to be impartial. As a fan of the Leafs, i understand that I have bias, even so, I cannot say a goal by Danault should not have counted and the next game say that the Nylander goal was 100% ok.

I completely understand their role. They actually don’t spend 80% of their time in the defensive zone. They start 80% of their plays in their defensive zone and are able to move it out and into the O zone. Once there, Kase tries to make a play where it dies on Engvall’s stick. There’s no Keefe rule that says that once they do all that work they have to suck offensively.

Replace Engvall with someone who is defensively responsible but has some offensive ability. Kase’s offense is being wasted.
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Yeah Engvall is annoying, he clearly has speed and skill but zero hockey IQ. I get he is just a placeholder and Mikheyev will likely take his spot...or a dark horse in Ho-Sang but its getting frustrating.

Kampf is not the most offensive guy but at least he can make smart passes and plays that Kase can play off of.

I completely understand their role. They actually don’t spend 80% of their time in the defensive zone. They start 80% of their plays in their defensive zone and are able to move it out and into the O zone. Once there, Kase tries to make a play where it dies on Engvall’s stick. There’s no Keefe rule that says that once they do all that work they have to suck offensively.

Replace Engvall with someone who is defensively responsible but has some offensive ability. Kase’s offense is being wasted.
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You spelled Kampf wrong

Komagod back to KHL
- mr.sir

Apparently to SKA.

Not a bad deal... he can live in Finland and commute for hockey

You spelled Kampf wrong
- annoyed

Even Kampf has more to give there...Engvall took 5 low percentage shots last night. Such a waste and then when he finally gets the puck in a dangerous spot he wastes it with a weak backhander.

Even Kampf has more to give there...Engvall took 5 low percentage shots last night. Such a waste and then when he finally gets the puck in a dangerous spot he wastes it with a weak backhander.
- Santo_44

🤷🏻‍♂️

Puck would still be in our end 90% of the time if it wasn’t for the giraffe.

I completely understand their role. They actually don’t spend 80% of their time in the defensive zone. They start 80% of their plays in their defensive zone and are able to move it out and into the O zone. Once there, Kase tries to make a play where it dies on Engvall’s stick. There’s no Keefe rule that says that once they do all that work they have to suck offensively.

Replace Engvall with someone who is defensively responsible but has some offensive ability. Kase’s offense is being wasted.
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Mikheyev actually showed some offensive ability when he first started with the Leafs. Unfortunately he hasn't been the same since that terrible injury.

Mikheyev actually showed some offensive ability when he first started with the Leafs. Unfortunately he hasn't been the same since that terrible injury.
- winsix

Be nice to get back to his scoring form his 1st year.

🤷🏻‍♂️

Puck would still be in our end 90% of the time if it wasn’t for the giraffe.
- annoyed

Kampf/Kase have been great at starting in their end and bringing it out. Engvall has not been consistent on that line...and they have been more than fine without him.

I am aware of the rule, and i dislike any rule that is open to interpretation. That said, I am aware that by the nature of the sport, most rules, not all, are open to interpretation. The problem I have with rules that are open to interpretation are not the rules, rather trusting the league and officials to be impartial. As a fan of the Leafs, i understand that I have bias, even so, I cannot say a goal by Danault should not have counted and the next game say that the Nylander goal was 100% ok.
- winsix

i thought both were fine and should count, and both did.

so thats all

You spelled Kampf wrong
- annoyed

Kampf is key to that line

I completely understand their role. They actually don’t spend 80% of their time in the defensive zone. They start 80% of their plays in their defensive zone and are able to move it out and into the O zone. Once there, Kase tries to make a play where it dies on Engvall’s stick. There’s no Keefe rule that says that once they do all that work they have to suck offensively.

Replace Engvall with someone who is defensively responsible but has some offensive ability. Kase’s offense is being wasted.
- Canada Cup

Why the hell would you change a line that didn’t allow a goal during the last 6 wins?

Easy answer

You don’t.

As long as that line keeps doing things defensive effectively they won’t be changed.

Also get over your Engvall hatred. That guy only gets bumped up in the roster from the third line nowadays. He’s not going anywhere or getting dropped in the lineup.

Kampf/Kase have been great at starting in their end and bringing it out. Engvall has not been consistent on that line...and they have been more than fine without him.
- Santo_44

Small sample of stats says Kampf is much better when he’s with the 🦒

Moving on as everyone has the right to their own opinion. 👍