Why did he have to wait until he was 50+ years old to get ANY head coaching jobs, at any level?

To reiterate.....he seems like a hockey guy to me and I'm glad he's here and JC is out. Just trying to understand how his experience differs from JC's in any material sense.
- mohel

He played the game at the pro level until he was 37.

Who knows, maybe he didn't see coaching as something he really wanted to do. Once he gave it a try he may have liked it.

The professional resume readers will use age to question how could it possibly work for a guy promoted to head coach at such an advanced age. Who cares 'just win baby'.

How do they differ? Lets see 16 year 800+ game playing career vs. 57 NHL games. 10 years as Assistant/Associate coach in AHL then 4 as HC vs. 3 years in lower Tier sweedish league as HC.

Yeah, I can see as how they are similar........ummmmmm
- TheTrob

Games played in the NHL doesn’t necessarily mean anything. How many games did Scotty Bowman play?

Borgstrom has been out of covid protocol for five days and we haven’t put him in. We’ve gone with Hardman, Carpenter, and Khaira instead? A bit redundant. And even if you argue ‘well he needs top 9 guys to play with’ ok, why not throw him in for Kurashev who’s been snakebitten? I love Kurashev and think he’ll be a fine player, but he’s been invisible vs last year.
- ObeseOprah

I think it froze over for once we agree.

I wonder how Cooper got the respect of the vets on his team?
- mohel

When you coach an AHL team that wins 28 regular season games in a row and goes 15-3 in the playoffs the roster kind of knows you know what you are doing.

I think it froze over for once we agree.
- rpeters01

https://youtu.be/wZhsxgMwvOM

How many years or games of professional head coaching experience did each have? What were their records? King didn't land a head coaching gig at ANY level until he was in his 50's. Why?

Look, to be clear, King's inexperience and mediocre minor league record doesn't scare me off. But it should bother you, given your previous statements about coaching.
- mohel

None at the NHL level

Which is why he is what they call "interim" head coach until they conduct a search and interview a permanent one.

Those who can't or fail to associate why line matchups, player slots/roles...putting players in positions to succeed- are all proponents of a "System" - as well ad the most important input a coach has...I can't help you

King played and coached all his hockey in NA. He has a reputation when he walks in a room when the guys as "who is that?". Its a respect factor he earned. Now, if he is going to make it as a coach in the NHL, he'll need to prove his worth to the players.

JC walks in from Euro with no credibility and the players- who were the same age and more successful - were told to follow this guy's "leadership". And his results speak for themselves

If he was good ad his job - he would have earned the players respect

Trolls who still miss JC are now in full force...

Yeah, how did scotty do it? Or Ken Hitchcock, right?

Because Colliton is right there with those minds!!!

I happened to think of The Who 1970"s epic song, 'Won't get fooled again;" specifically I recall these words: "meet the new kid, same as the old kid."

You see. I was considering how the new Blackhawks head coach has seen prosoe to perform in Rockford with many of the kids last season and some again this season. That Daviddon, the new GM, says he is open- minded and will listen/consider input, has me excited. I am anxious to find out if King suggests giving several kids a cup of coffee

Therefore King has a voice to usher in the new kids, same as the "old" kids he has already coachedAnd seen their development.

Among the forwards I forecast how the group- yes three or more - can transform the bottom two lines into a very difficult bunch to play against. Their compete level will be higher than any teams could counter. Grittier than what we have seen since the Cup team of 2010. Physical play with good to above average speed is combined with descent ability. There is a job for agitators, descent face off and Industrious players. These guys will work the boards too.

Along with Entwhistle and surely the Notre Dame kid who played in the World Jumior Tournament last year, we can expect the kids to be a spark - even a sparkplug sometimes.

I have been posting about these kids for a while. Now indeed introductions appear ininvitable as Davidson evaluates the new kids, same as the old kids

Trolls who still miss JC are now in full force...

Yeah, how did scotty do it? Or Ken Hitchcock, right?

Because Colliton is right there with those minds!!!
- PatShart

Why do you insist on debating like an adolescent? Can’t you discuss points like an adult instead of getting pouty and calling people names that have nothing to do with the position that person is taking?

No one compared Bowman to JC. My point was pointedly on the value of playing in the NHL vs not. And you know that’s correct. JC getting the job with little experience is a valid point. JC’s NHL career doesn’t necessarily mean anything.

Trolls who still miss JC are now in full force...

Yeah, how did scotty do it? Or Ken Hitchcock, right?

Because Colliton is right there with those minds!!!
- PatShart

That 1st sentence is beautiful. Such disingenuous tripe. Can't you just debate? I could easily just say the JC hating trolls are out in full force today, vainly trying to ignore their emotion-driven hypocrisy; but that doesn't do much to advance meaningful discussion, eh?

The Hawks have retained two straight coaches with very limited head coaching experience. I hope the 2nd does better than the first.

Someone needs to tell Jim Acosta John McD's name and that Trump was involved in this scandal and he will be all over it.
- powerenforcer

Why do you insist on debating like an adolescent? Can’t you discuss points like an adult instead of getting pouty and calling people names that have nothing to do with the position that person is taking?

No one compared Bowman to JC. My point was pointedly on the value of playing in the NHL vs not. And you know that’s correct. JC getting the job with little experience is a valid point. JC’s NHL career doesn’t necessarily mean anything.
- paulr

Ok...

So it goes from "if games matters Gretzky and Savard should be a good coach"

To

"Well Scotty Bowman never played...so why does players experience matter"

Great, great solid points made. Very deep and I never considered how that happens. Gives me a brand new perspective I never heard before.

If you dont think credibility matters to the Alpha Athlete in a locker room means "anything", then I'm not sure what to tell you.

Games played in the NHL doesn’t necessarily mean anything. How many games did Scotty Bowman play?
- paulr

Not saying they do. The question was how do JC and King compare, and that both had relatively the same head coaching experience. Sorry, I'll take the guy who played 16 years under multiple coaches, and then was an assistant/associate under multiple coaches for 10 seasons over the guy who played 57 games and a few years as a coach overseas. Sure, there are successful coaches with no playing experience, and horrible coaches with lots of playing experience. If I'm rolling the dice on one with no prior head coaching experience, i'll lean towards the guy in the game longer until he proves me wrong.

Ok...

So it goes from "if games matters Gretzky and Savard should be a good coach"

To

"Well Scotty Bowman never played...so why does players experience matter"

Great, great solid points made. Very deep and I never considered how that happens. Gives me a brand new perspective I never heard before.

If you dont think credibility matters to the Alpha Athlete in a locker room means "anything", then I'm not sure what to tell you.
- PatShart

I’ll get back to you when I find the goalposts.

That 1st sentence is beautiful. Such disingenuous tripe. Can't you just debate? I could easily just say the JC hating trolls are out in full force today, vainly trying to ignore their emotion-driven hypocrisy; but that doesn't do much to advance meaningful discussion, eh?

The Hawks have retained two straight coaches with very limited head coaching experience. I hope the 2nd does better than the first.
- mohel

I look at King as a placeholder, until when they have hired a new front office. Then the longer term decision will be made as to who coaches here. I have no idea how he will do over the course of the season. The team responded well to the change last night, but we don't know if that is a high that fades, or if it portends better days ahead.

Not saying they do. The question was how do JC and King compare, and that both had relatively the same head coaching experience. Sorry, I'll take the guy who played 16 years under multiple coaches, and then was an assistant/associate under multiple coaches for 10 seasons over the guy who played 57 games and a few years as a coach overseas. Sure, there are successful coaches with no playing experience, and horrible coaches with lots of playing experience. If I'm rolling the dice on one with no prior head coaching experience, i'll lean towards the guy in the game longer until he proves me wrong.
- TheTrob

So, who was saying they'd rather have JC?

I’ll get back to you when I find the goalposts.
- paulr

Cool. Make sure look for some new talking points as well

Ben Pope
@BenPopeCST
Blackhawks lines in practice:

DeBrincat-Dach-Kane
Kubalik-Toews-*rotation
Hardman-Strome-Borgstrom
*rotation-Carpenter-Kurashev

*Reese Johnson, Khaira and Gaudette are the rotating guys

Stillman-Jones
McCabe-Murphy
Kalynuk-Gustafsson

Entwhistle/Hagel/deHaan not at practice.

Reese Johnson recalled.

Cool. Make sure look for some new talking points as well
- PatShart

If you will.

Scott Powers
@ByScottPowers
·
4m
Blackhawks announce Brandon Hagel (left shoulder), MacKenzie Entwistle (left ankle) and Calvin de Haan (maintenance) will not practice today.

Ben Pope
@BenPopeCST
Blackhawks lines in practice:

DeBrincat-Dach-Kane
Kubalik-Toews-*rotation
Hardman-Strome-Borgstrom
*rotation-Carpenter-Kurashev

*Reese Johnson, Khaira and Gaudette are the rotating guys

Stillman-Jones
McCabe-Murphy
Kalynuk-Gustafsson

Entwhistle/Hagel/deHaan not at practice.

Reese Johnson recalled.
- LAHawk

I don’t dislike Johnson that much, but he had some of the worst statistical games of any player this season on his last call up. Having him, Hardman, Carpenter, and Khaira in the lineup is kind of scary. All are replacement level players or startlingly worse. Is there no one else in Rockford who might be able to move the needle?

King played about 800+ games in the league

Went to the AHL at the end of his career to become a player/coach - guys (see Franson) do that as they still kinda want to play, but learn coaching aspects

He took a few years off then (prob to be with family..guessing) - then jumped into the AHL assistant coaching ranks

JC retired in Europe, coached with a Euro junk team, and was jettisoned to the NHL in 3-4 years

Very similar roads
- PatShart

That amount of previous experience is a critical aspect when you’re interacting with players. Some coaches, particularly younger ones with not as much player experience, suffer from “imposter syndrome” on a certain level - a gnawing feeling deep inside that they don’t have credibility standing in front of players and dictating to them. I’m not saying that every good coach has to be a former player - but being an experienced former player helps in the transition into being a good coach.

That 1st sentence is beautiful. Such disingenuous tripe. Can't you just debate? I could easily just say the JC hating trolls are out in full force today, vainly trying to ignore their emotion-driven hypocrisy; but that doesn't do much to advance meaningful discussion, eh?

The Hawks have retained two straight coaches with very limited head coaching experience. I hope the 2nd does better than the first.
- mohel

I like how I'm disingenuous

Yet I bring up experience and WHY it matters...and get "well Scotty Bownan never played..."

You want me to talk hockey or debate? I gladly do/welcome it with those who are serious

With clowns that make moronic comments like that? I'll call them out if they choose to challenge me. Deal?

That amount of previous experience is a critical aspect when you’re interacting with players. Some coaches, particularly younger ones with not as much player experience, suffer from “imposter syndrome” - a gnawing feeling deep inside that they don’t have credibility standing in front of players and dictating to them. I’m not saying that every good coach has to be a former player - but being an experienced former player helps in the transition into being a good coach.
- Chief4Feathers

Players will give more rope/leeway to a guy who has that type of resume to prove if they can coach/lead. If things go bad/sideways...they can lean on their playing experiences to relate at times with the players - and the players have a little extra trust in that

I don’t dislike Johnson that much, but he had some of the worst statistical games of any player this season on his last call up. Having him, Hardman, Carpenter, and Khaira in the lineup is kind of scary. All are replacement level players or startlingly worse. Is there no one else in Rockford who might be able to move the needle?
- ObeseOprah

Well if you bring up Nylander you probably have to keep him up the whole year, unless you think he can pass through waivers again. I would leave Reichel in the minors the whole year.