Have you examined King's coaching career to determine whether his level of experience is satisfactory? A look at Wikipedia indicates that his 1st head coaching position was as coach of the Hogs. Is his record there good enough to warrant the promotion?
- mohel

Seriously. 76-80-7 with him as head coach in RFD, and not a single year (even when they had more wins than losses) when they had a a positive GF/GA.

It's great that he's not Colliton, but let's see what he actually brings to the table. He's a likable guy, has said a lot of the right things and the first on-ice results were favorable, but we should not be looking at "winnable games" just yet.

Yep, the players played better. There were different, and positive, personnel decisions. But, as the coach himself said, the system hasn't been changed (especially not in one day).
- mohel

I didn't think it was the system either, and I backed keeping JC, until it was apparent to me he lost the room, they weren't listening to him anymore. A change had to be made, coaching (especially in today's world) is more than X's and O's. I thought Strome looked like the Strome we saw when he first came to the Hawks. Maybe all it took was King saying, don't worry, if you make a mistake you are going out there the next shift, instead of benching, playing him out of position, etc. I know it is one game, but he looked like a different player.

Although that is how percentages work.
- Ztra

Although, technically, he's right beause you can't get a .952 on 40 shots.

Those are individual coaching decisions. The concept of what they are (supposed to be) doing in each zone has not changed. All King did was allow them to be less rigid within that structure and let them react to situations in real time instead of processing what they are supposed to be doing while the play is coming at them at a high rate of speed.
- Chunk

Wrong.

Line matchups are a big part of a system success and/or failures

Putting players in the correct matchups- roles is crucial to a system.

I don't think King did much intense matchups on the front end (unlike Crawford on D....did that matter or no?? 🤔).....and THAT is something he'll need to be good at as time goes - we shall see.

How about his assistant coaching history?

What coaches has he played under during his career? At any point towards the end of that playing career, did he begin working with the insides of coaching to stay in the game?

You're digging a hole to continue to hang on to your JC narrative

Let it go

You are wrong. Its ok
- PatShart

The narrative on JC is complete. He was/is a smart guy who does not currently have the ability to get his players to implement what is in his head onto the ice. No one here is defending him (outside of the 3-4 articles that I've seen written that seem to say he never had a chance).

Here is his history. A lot of Assistant and Associate coaching gigs before being head coach with RFD. That's not to take anything away from him, but it's not like he's drawn from greats.

On August 21, 2009, King was named the assistant coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs AHL affiliate the Toronto Marlies. In 2014, he was promoted to associate coach.[3]

On July 28, 2015, King was named assistant coach of the Owen Sound Attack of the Ontario Hockey League.[4] However, he left the Attack on October 28, 2015.[5]

On July 7, 2016, King was named an assistant coach with the Rockford IceHogs of the American Hockey League, the minor league affiliate of the Chicago Blackhawks.[6] On November 6, 2018, King was named the interim head coach of the IceHogs when head coach Jeremy Colliton was promoted to the Blackhawks.[7] King was named the permanent head coach of the IceHogs at the end of the 2018–19 season.[8]

Wrong.

Line matchups are a big part of a system success and/or failures

Putting players in the correct matchups- roles is crucial to a system.

I don't think King did much intense matchups on the front end (unlike Crawford on D....did that matter or no?? 🤔).....and THAT is something he'll need to be good at as time goes - we shall see.
- PatShart

Yes. Putting players in the correct match-ups is the coaching decision that affects the "system", hence different things.

How about his assistant coaching history?

What coaches has he played under during his career? At any point towards the end of that playing career, did he begin working with the insides of coaching to stay in the game?

You're digging a hole to continue to hang on to your JC narrative

Let it go

You are wrong. Its ok
- PatShart

Psst.....I said quite awhile ago that it was time for JC to go.

The person to whom that post was directed continuously cited JC's record as a reason he shouldn't have been hired. I was asking if King's record and results satisfy him. Consistency is important.

Seriously. 76-80-7 with him as head coach in RFD, and not a single year (even when they had more wins than losses) when they had a a positive GF/GA.

It's great that he's not Colliton, but let's see what he actually brings to the table. He's a likable guy, has said a lot of the right things and the first on-ice results were favorable, but we should not be looking at "winnable games" just yet.
- Chunk

Exactly what I meant. Thanks for clarifying.

I didn't think it was the system either, and I backed keeping JC, until it was apparent to me he lost the room, they weren't listening to him anymore. A change had to be made, coaching (especially in today's world) is more than X's and O's. I thought Strome looked like the Strome we saw when he first came to the Hawks. Maybe all it took was King saying, don't worry, if you make a mistake you are going out there the next shift, instead of benching, playing him out of position, etc. I know it is one game, but he looked like a different player.
- LAHawk

That's my position, too.

Wrong.

Line matchups are a big part of a system success and/or failures

Putting players in the correct matchups- roles is crucial to a system.

I don't think King did much intense matchups on the front end (unlike Crawford on D....did that matter or no?? 🤔).....and THAT is something he'll need to be good at as time goes - we shall see.
- PatShart

Must be windy there; those goalposts are hopping all over.

Phuck the lawsuits. Phuck the lawyers. They’ve already made a public commitment to working out a “fair settlement” with Beach - did they mean that? If so, whatever they say won’t matter much. At some point, do the right thing.

This is Rocky’s legacy here. He was always out there, sitting in his seats basking in the glow of on-ice and financial success after he took over the team. Now that “disaster” has struck, he shouldn’t be hiding - take charge, get out there, screw the lawyers and PR guys. The more the transparency - and the quicker it happens (and that includes settling the lawsuits) - the sooner he reclaims the value (not just financial value) of this organization.

He’s the owner, he and Danny run the Company - he has to get into the public.

Or is he resigned to having a tarnished legacy like his father has?
- StLBravesFan

Frankly, it's none of our damn business not sure why you think it is and there will probably be a gag order on the final settlement anyway.

Have you examined King's coaching career to determine whether his level of experience is satisfactory? A look at Wikipedia indicates that his 1st head coaching position was as coach of the Hogs. Is his record there good enough to warrant the promotion?
- mohel

Yup, I posted on a previous blog. Lots of time as an assistant in NA, in Canadian Juniors and the AHL, plus his time as a HC in Rockford.

I know you're just being an @ss, but remember, JC had exactly 1 year of coaching experience in NA when he got the Blackhawk job.

No idea if King will turn out to be a good coach, but at least he has the experience to have a chance.

https://twitter.com/BenPopeCST/status/1457559630494715908?s=20.

One game, but I think King is ready for this. No NHL coaching experience, but definitely seems comfortable in his own skin.
- LAHawk

Sure hope you’re right but let’s give him 10-15 games. Many new coaches look good immediately after the predecessor is let go only to come to reality a few games later.

Of course, I go out of town with little time to read the boards and come back when so much happens.

Great win so we don't have to suffer Vopats.

Thoughts

-They looked better and pulled off a win. Spacing seemed better and they were more physical.

-Gus played under 7 minutes so at least he's being used better. Would like C. Jones and Kalynuk to take his spot once they return.

-Kurashev still needs to win more puck battles and is a bit out of place with Entwhistle and Khahira. He did save that goal so I'll cut him some slack.

-Dach (3 SOG) and Kubalik (6 SOG) had boatloads of chances, percentages-wise they'll score at some point. Likewise NSH decided to pass or wiffed on some possible great chances so it could have been a different game.

-Saros looked phenomenal on that 3rd period powerplay. What luck NSH has in getting a goalie like that. Lanky played good enough for us to win a game- much better than what we've gotten in most of our losses.
- Popsghostly

Lanky made a great save and kick out to Dinky on the winning goal. Lanky to Dinky for the win!

Wrong.

Line matchups are a big part of a system success and/or failures

Putting players in the correct matchups- roles is crucial to a system.

I don't think King did much intense matchups on the front end (unlike Crawford on D....did that matter or no?? 🤔).....and THAT is something he'll need to be good at as time goes - we shall see.
- PatShart

I think JC’s biggest mistakes were mismanaging the personal and not holding anyone accountable.

Yup, I posted on a previous blog. Lots of time as an assistant in NA, in Canadian Juniors and the AHL, plus his time as a HC in Rockford.

I know you're just being an @ss, but remember, JC had exactly 1 year of coaching experience in NA when he got the Blackhawk job.

No idea if King will turn out to be a good coach, but at least he has the experience to have a chance.
- scottak

I hope he lights it up and becomes the permanent head coach. Just seems his experience is similar to JC. Couple years (not many games because of The Raging Vid) of so-so results at best, with less-than-stellar defensive performance.

Let's not forget Crawford ran the defense. He determined who played with whom and for how many minutes. Who knows if it was JC or Brookbank that thought giving Gus regular minutes was a good idea. He also put Stillman with Jones, instead of deHaan, who got the least TOI besides Gus

Let's not forget Crawford ran the defense. He determined who played with whom and for how many minutes. Who knows if it was JC or Brookbank that thought giving Gus regular minutes was a good idea. He also put Stillman with Jones, instead of deHaan, who got the least TOI besides Gus
- LAHawk

Yet that wasn’t the case last night. Perhaps King overrode that decision as JC should have.

I hope he lights it up and becomes the permanent head coach. Just seems his experience is similar to JC. Couple years (not many games because of The Raging Vid) of so-so results at best, with less-than-stellar defensive performance.
- mohel

King played about 800+ games in the league

Went to the AHL at the end of his career to become a player/coach - guys (see Franson) do that as they still kinda want to play, but learn coaching aspects

He took a few years off then (prob to be with family..guessing) - then jumped into the AHL assistant coaching ranks

JC retired in Europe, coached with a Euro junk team, and was jettisoned to the NHL in 3-4 years

Very similar roads

And 800+ games King played...he had a few decent team mates and coaches to learn from (if he absorbed it...kinda looked like his path to coaching did that)

He wasnt some role player either- nor some gifted player. Hard worker

May not translate 1 bit to coaching success.

But he earned his path behind the bench

JC has no resume to coach in the NHL

King played about 800+ games in the league

Went to the AHL at the end of his career to become a player/coach - guys (see Franson) do that as they still kinda want to play, but learn coaching aspects

He took a few years off then (prob to be with family..guessing) - then jumped into the AHL assistant coaching ranks

JC retired in Europe, coached with a Euro junk team, and was jettisoned to the NHL in 3-4 years

Very similar roads
- PatShart

So using the logic on how good a player they are Wayne Gretzky and Dennis Savard should be two of the best coaches ever, no?

So using the logic on how good a player they are Wayne Gretzky and Dennis Savard should be two of the best coaches ever, no?
- paulr

How many years coaching in the minors/honing thier skills as coaches?

Just kinda bypass that whole part!! 🤣🤣🤣

I hope he lights it up and becomes the permanent head coach. Just seems his experience is similar to JC. Couple years (not many games because of The Raging Vid) of so-so results at best, with less-than-stellar defensive performance.
- mohel[/quote]
Has there ever been any emphasis by the Hawks in having a really good team in Rockford? If there was, show me examples.

Has there ever been any emphasis on really committing resources to develop players at the AHL level for the big team? The answer is no and it shows with the scarcity of players who have come up and stayed and contributed for any length of time. Stanbo couldn't wait to put Bovqist in an NHL jersey long before he was ready. You can name others too. AT least for now they have some defenceman down there who probably will stay down there to 'mature'.

Unlike JC, King played under numerous big name coaches and with some superstars. He knows something about the NHL gig. I expect they will bring in a coach to work the D and help King. He won't turn the ship around by himself but they will play better.

Yup, I posted on a previous blog. Lots of time as an assistant in NA, in Canadian Juniors and the AHL, plus his time as a HC in Rockford.

I know you're just being an @ss, but remember, JC had exactly 1 year of coaching experience in NA when he got the Blackhawk job.

No idea if King will turn out to be a good coach, but at least he has the experience to have a chance.
- scottak

So is it that JC had the majority of his head coaching experience in Sweden that is the problem? Overall, JC had more head coaching experience than King. King has more overall time behind a bench, but the vast majority (starting in 2009) is as an assistant or associate coach. While I'm not discounting that experience, I would think actually being the head coach (regardless of league) would be better prep, no?

It's not like the Marlies were world beaters when he was an assistant there, and he was an assistant under JC before getting the HC job. I'm just trying to square how his experience is that much better than JC's

This is all on McD. Why haven't the "reporters" knocked on his door yet? I am sure Rocky had no clue about this while it was going on. I really hope McD has to "pay" for his sins just as all the others had to lose their jobs over this. His hands are the dirtiest.

- powerenforcer

While McD's hands may be the dirtiest, what are you gonna charge him with? While all those involved may be guilty of extremely poor judgement, if there was no direct accusation or charge of sexual assault from the victim, only harassment, then there's not much to charge.