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2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 7 @ 7:54 PM ET
Because that fight card last night had some heavy hitters on it. It was the most exciting card I've seen in a while.
The very first fight was probably my favorite of the night, too

- Bob Habib

no way chandler ever had a chance against gaethje
the rose/zhang fight was horrendous no one should have been a winner in that
dubc55
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.25.2014

Nov 7 @ 8:54 PM ET
Umm…they won today.
- NC Flyers Fan


It doesn't matter, the pitchforks are out.
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Nov 7 @ 9:01 PM ET
no way chandler ever had a chance against gaethje
the rose/zhang fight was horrendous no one should have been a winner in that

- 2Real

That Zhang fight was so disappointing.. a few nice shots landed but other than that it was a dull 5 rounds
Chandler never had a chance but he took his beating like a champ
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Nov 7 @ 9:04 PM ET
Umm…they won today.
- NC Flyers Fan

Did they? That's good. I hope they can pull it together and play like we hope they can. Any idea who scared today? I can't find any info to the game
Joe Nardone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Medicine Hat
Joined: 07.05.2018

Nov 7 @ 9:46 PM ET
You can’t measure what Risto brings using advanced metrics. NHL gms know that thus the reason why at least 7 of them offered more than a 1st to get him. Sorry, those gms are smarter than us posting here.

There is no metric that measures the fear of an opposing player. Notta one.

Was there a metric which measured the importance of Scott Stevens? Chris Pronger..

Claiming advanced metrics represent some kind of factually data supporting a negative opinion of Risto is as useful as tyts on a bull.

THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Nov 7 @ 10:02 PM ET
You can’t measure what Risto brings using advanced metrics. NHL gms know that thus the reason why at least 7 of them offered more than a 1st to get him. Sorry, those gms are smarter than us posting here.

There is no metric that measures the fear of an opposing player. Notta one.

Was there a metric which measured the importance of Scott Stevens? Chris Pronger..

Claiming advanced metrics represent some kind of factually data supporting a negative opinion of Risto is as useful as tyts on a bull.

- Joe Nardone



i dont believe that for a second
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Nov 7 @ 10:38 PM ET
i dont believe that for a second
- THE BLACK HAND


I believe bill reported that. He’s got better connections than we do I’d say.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Nov 7 @ 11:53 PM ET
Did they? That's good. I hope they can pull it together and play like we hope they can. Any idea who scared today? I can't find any info to the game
- Bob Habib


Here it is http://www.phantomshockey...e-back-5-3-win-charlotte/

I know nothing about Hodgson, didn’t even know he was on the phantoms, but he tipped a nice shot from Hogberg. York and Zamula scored. Also Willman had a snipe off a pass from Frost on the PP. The Checkers came back and made a game of it in the third but the Frost line got an empty netter to close it out. Wilson with the EN goal. Sandstrom played very well.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 8 @ 7:45 AM ET
You can’t measure what Risto brings using advanced metrics. NHL gms know that thus the reason why at least 7 of them offered more than a 1st to get him. Sorry, those gms are smarter than us posting here.

There is no metric that measures the fear of an opposing player. Notta one.

Was there a metric which measured the importance of Scott Stevens? Chris Pronger..

Claiming advanced metrics represent some kind of factually data supporting a negative opinion of Risto is as useful as tyts on a bull.

- Joe Nardone


Yes, you absolutely can measure what Ristolainen brings using advanced metrics. The metrics tell you what happened in the game when a player is on the ice. It's part of the data which tells you how a player played.

The idea that Rostolainen puts fear into opposing players is a myth. NHL players are used to being hit. Ristolainen himself said it in a post game interview. Hitting or getting hit gets him into the game. There have always been big hitters in the game. That doesn't stop NHL players from playing hard.

Yes, if they were available they absolutely would've shown the importance of Steven and Pronger. Just like they help to do with today's top players.

Advance metrics aren't everything but they tell you a lot about what happens on the ice when a player is on the ice. Still have to da analysis from that but based on all but one game so far. What the metrics in the past have shown, are proving to be accurate for Ristolainen.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 8 @ 7:45 AM ET
This comment is simply not factually true. The real truth is that both have been subpar overall this year. Ristolainen did not do what he has been doing all season long. That's fantasy. We can look at the facts and they'll clearly show that your comments here are not correct. Both played very well last night but this was the first good game that Ristolainen has played all season. Hopefully it continues.
- MJL

Please listen to Mike Yeo's comments about Risto, because they are spot on! Risto has been playing better and better each game, and in the last couple of games he is getting more involved in the offense. Yes, we need him to keep this trend going and by his own admission there is another level he can get to. But I stand by my statements, Risto has played solid overall this year. Sanheim had a good game last night for the reasons I gave earlier, but that was IMO his first good game of the season, 1 for 10!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 8 @ 7:48 AM ET
You can’t measure what Risto brings using advanced metrics. NHL gms know that thus the reason why at least 7 of them offered more than a 1st to get him. Sorry, those gms are smarter than us posting here.

There is no metric that measures the fear of an opposing player. Notta one.

Was there a metric which measured the importance of Scott Stevens? Chris Pronger..

Claiming advanced metrics represent some kind of factually data supporting a negative opinion of Risto is as useful as tyts on a bull.

- Joe Nardone

Thank you Joe, once again spot on!! You have to have played the game to see how opposing players react when they know they are going against Risto for a puck battle, I see the hesitancy, and apparently so do you. Even the bully Tom Wilson last game was hesitant to go against Risto, because he knows he will get flattened which is exactly what happened. You can't measure this, you just have to know what you are watching!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 8 @ 7:50 AM ET
Please listen to Mike Yeo's comments about Risto, because they are spot on! Risto has been playing better and better each game, and in the last couple of games he is getting more involved in the offense. Yes, we need him to keep this trend going and by his own admission there is another level he can get to. But I stand by my statements, Risto has played solid overall this year. Sanheim had a good game last night for the reasons I gave earlier, but that was IMO his first good game of the season, 1 for 10!
- jd250



Mike Yeo, is an assistant coach. He is not going to bad mouth or talk negative about a player while sitting in as a fill in for the head coach. As the guy who coaches the defense and with a player coming off of a strong game, he is going to use positive reinforcement. Yes, Ristolainen has improved in the last few games and played very well against the Caps. That doesn't change that he has been mediocre at best overall to this point of the season. Sanheim has also struggled but the pairing overall has not been good. Ristolainen has a big part in that. We'll see how he does going forward.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 8 @ 7:53 AM ET
Thank you Joe, once again spot on!! You have to have played the game to see how opposing players react when they know they are going against Risto for a puck battle, I see the hesitancy, and apparently so do you. Even the bully Tom Wilson last game was hesitant to go against Risto, because he knows he will get flattened which is exactly what happened. You can't measure this, you just have to know what you are watching!
- jd250


This idea you have that opposing players are hesitant going up against Ristolainen is a fabrication on your part. I've already showed you video of how that isn't true and how Ristolainen has been weak in puck battles. You even hysterically claim that Tom Wilson was hesitant to go up against him. Tom Wilson isn't afraid of anyone. All you have to do is look at the data to tell if a player has that effect. The facts are a funny thing. You do have to know what your looking at and your comments here are telling in that regard.
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Nov 8 @ 8:35 AM ET
I believe bill reported that. He’s got better connections than we do I’d say.
- Hextall271

Bill didnt report it. He used a a quote from Fletch explaining why he gave up so such in the RR trade. I dont believe Fletch and if that's what Buffalo was telling him in in negotiations, they played the balls off of him.

So, Ill go by the Principle of Occum's Razor:

There were 8 GMs willing to give up 1st round+ for a bad, soon to be UFA or
Chuck got worked

simplest explanation is usually the answer
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 8 @ 8:49 AM ET
Bill didnt report it. He used a a quote from Fletch explaining why he gave up so such in the RR trade. I dont believe Fletch and if that's what Buffalo was telling him in in negotiations, they played the balls off of him.

So, Ill go by the Principle of Occum's Razor:

There were 8 GMs willing to give up 1st round+ for a bad, soon to be UFA or
Chuck got worked

simplest explanation is usually the answer

- THE BLACK HAND


I have no idea if it is true and you're correct. That many GM's willing to give up a first round pick for Ristolainen is 2nd hand info. However I wouldn't doubt that it's true. First of all RH defenseman are hard to acquire. He does have skill and ability. However there have been countless uber talented players who have never put it together. Ristolainen appears to be one of those players.
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