LOL. I used missing a key center and a top defenseman as issues with the team. Not as a reason for the overall effort of the team.
- MJL

Okay, so than it was irrelevant to bring up. The fact is almost every team is missing something but yet find ways to show effort & the Flyers have shown the same bs for 10 years

If you're talking about Darryl Sutter. He is currently the coach of the Calgary Flames. Trotz is the coach of the NY Islanders.
- MJL

So. My statement still stands.

LOL. I used missing a key center and a top defenseman as issues with the team. Not as a reason for the overall effort of the team.
- MJL

Yes and you said it’s on the coaches. How many coaches now have had the same results is what they are saying.

Not sure Q will ever be an option again in the NHL.
- mickel25

I hope he isn’t. He prioritized winning over sexual assault against a young man. Despicable. Beach will never get those years back from his life.

Okay, so than it was irrelevant to bring up. The fact is almost every team is missing something but yet find ways to show effort & the Flyers have shown the same bs for 10 years
- Fopa21

In the discussion I was having with another poster on the issue of coaching, it was extremely relevant to bring up.

Yes and you said it’s on the coaches. How many coaches now have had the same results is what they are saying.
- Peter Richards

No I didn't. What I said was I blame the coaches more than I blame leadership. Get it right.

So. My statement still stands.
- Peter Richards

LMAO. So your statement still stands that if the Flyers get a new coach, you hope it's one of two coaches who are already currently NHL coaches?

No I didn't. What I said was I blame the coaches more than I blame leadership. Get it right.
- MJL

So just say G can do no wrong in your eyes & you will never hold him accountable for how his team plays & we just move on instead of trying to defend him w nonsense statements instead of facts

No I didn't. What I said was I blame the coaches more than I blame leadership. Get it right.
- MJL

Doesn’t matter. The question remains the same

LMAO. So your statement still stands that if the Flyers get a new coach, you hope it's one of two coaches who are already currently NHL coaches?
- MJL

Do you know for a fact that trots will still be with the isles next year?

So just say G can do no wrong in your eyes & you will never hold him accountable for how his team plays & we just move on instead of trying to defend him w nonsense statements instead of facts
- Fopa21

You're wrong. I criticize Giroux when I feel it is warranted. I don't feel the issue with this team is leadership. You haven't offered a single fact that can directly tie the teams issues to Giroux's leadership.

Do you know for a fact that trots will still be with the isles next year?
- Peter Richards

No, do you know that he won't? Is it not reasonable that the context of the discussion is if the Flyers don't improve that the discussion is about an in season coaching change? I know you know this. Just admit that you posted in error and we can be done with it.

Excellent observation Bill. Two things that should help for sure will be the return of a healthy Ellis to stabilize the D. Hayes back in Brassard's spot will be a huge upgrade and may jump start the line because Farabee for one is a little off lately. Happy to see Carter Hart with some strong performances and appears to be back. Kubel has to stop with the dumb penalties or his value is just not there. I dread the upcoming two minutes for something when he is on the ice. Risto has a similar knack of taking dumb penalties and despite his size and skillset I think he has to be much better. Finally AV praising this performance has me a little worried because it was not a good performance against an undermanned Pens team.

No, do you know that he won't? Is it not reasonable that the context of the discussion is if the Flyers don't improve that the discussion is about an in season coaching change? I know you know this. Just admit that you posted in error and we can be done with it.
- MJL

Are in season coaching changes ever interim?

No. That was not the context of the discussion I had with another poster. I just stated two coaches I would want to have for the team.

You're wrong. I criticize Giroux when I feel it is warranted. I don't feel the issue with this team is leadership. You haven't offered a single fact that can directly tie the teams issues to Giroux's leadership.
- MJL

I can’t make you see or understand obvious facts. The fact is the team has been mediocre for a decade. People wanted to blame GM’s so they’ve brought in multiple GM’s. People wanted to blame coaching so they’ve brought in multiple coaches. People wanted to blame the roster so they’ve tried shaking it up. People wanted to blame the core/needed more leaders so they’ve now done that. It’s simple the captain is the consistent denominator left now in the uninspiring play that is continuing. Is he valuable offensively, yes. But the way he leads/doesn’t lead hurts the team more than his offense helps as proven accurate by the lack of success/state of mediocrity of the last decade.

Also, kind of funny tied for team lead in points yet only forward from the top 9 who is a minus player right now

LMAO. So your statement still stands that if the Flyers get a new coach, you hope it's one of two coaches who are already currently NHL coaches?
- MJL

So basically this blog site is still the same old. Excellent blogging by the best blogger around and some really dedicated Flyer fans still giving it their all. The one thing that stands out to me is that almost every blog you have MJL arguing with somebody imposing his opinion to be the only right answer. I have learned to enjoy the blog and disregard most of his nonsense. He just comes here to provoke and argue and overall must live a very miserable life, that is if he has one.

Bill, I agree with your assessment of last night's game. My impression during the game was that the Flyers were being badly outplayed for stretches and were consistently losing board battles. I was also puzzled to here AV's post game comments but then I thought about it. Last year AV was honest in his post game pressers, sometime too honest IMO, especially when he made unfortunate comments about Cart Hart's practice efforts. This caused a lot of backlash on the team and it made a bad situation even worse. Is it possible that AV has learned from last year and has decided to accentuate the positives in the game, versus dwelling on the negatives? A few times during the presser the questions were trying to dive more into the Flyers play but AV quickly moved away and gave the Penguins team and players the credit.

Putting talent aside whether we agree or disagree on the level of it on this team. The bottom line to everything, is this team gets out worked on almost every game. And it’s evident. Some spurts during a game you see them work hard. But never consistently enough. When they get outplayed by teams with much less talent on the ice. That’s out working them, and this has been happening now for years

The issue is not leadership. It's that they're not good enough. Not in sync as a team. I blame the coaches more than player leadership.
- MJL

I think Bill nailed it. The Flyers are missing key players and that is throwing everything else out of whack. Seeler is playing far too much, but what other options does AV have? Morin's injury is certainly having more impact then some want to admit. And yes, Brassard is not a 2C, we all knew that going into the season, but again, what other option does AV have? Its not like he can insert Frost right now or Fletcher is going to make a trade. I have gone over several scenarios in my head but I keep coming to the same conclusion, the Flyers just need to thread water until Ellis and Hayes come back, and hopefully when they do, everyone gets slotted into the right spots and the team plays better.

Still what bothers me more about last night is being out worked by the Penguins, that is not acceptable. The effort was there, but the Flyers got beat in too many battles last night.

I think Bill nailed it. The Flyers are missing key players and that is throwing everything else out of whack. Seeler is playing far too much, but what other options does AV have? Morin's injury is certainly having more impact then some want to admit. And yes, Brassard is not a 2C, we all knew that going into the season, but again, what other option does AV have? Its not like he can insert Frost right now or Fletcher is going to make a trade. I have gone over several scenarios in my head but I keep coming to the same conclusion, the Flyers just need to thread water until Ellis and Hayes come back, and hopefully when they do, everyone gets slotted into the right spots and the team plays better.

Still what bothers me more about last night is being out worked by the Penguins, that is not acceptable. The effort was there, but the Flyers got beat in too many battles last night.
- jd250

all i see here are excuses. Which is now the norm for the Flyers organization and their fans.

Are in season coaching changes ever interim?

No. That was not the context of the discussion I had with another poster. I just stated two coaches I would want to have for the team.
- Peter Richards

So then if it's an interim coach, Sutter or Trotz wouldn't be the next coach. I just see it as reasonable that when discussing a new coach for the Flyers, the list of possible candidates wouldn't include two coaches currently employed with other teams.

I mean I think the Flyers are getting Jon Cooper. I also think they're getting Connor McDavid. I mean it's possible right?

I can’t make you see or understand obvious facts. The fact is the team has been mediocre for a decade. People wanted to blame GM’s so they’ve brought in multiple GM’s. People wanted to blame coaching so they’ve brought in multiple coaches. People wanted to blame the roster so they’ve tried shaking it up. People wanted to blame the core/needed more leaders so they’ve now done that. It’s simple the captain is the consistent denominator left now in the uninspiring play that is continuing. Is he valuable offensively, yes. But the way he leads/doesn’t lead hurts the team more than his offense helps as proven accurate by the lack of success/state of mediocrity of the last decade.

Also, kind of funny tied for team lead in points yet only forward from the top 9 who is a minus player right now
- Fopa21

I'm patiently waiting for you to provide the facts on why the issue with the team is Giroux's leadership. All you're offering is an opinion and trying to use anecdotal evidence to try and support it. My patience has run out with this absurdity.

With new veterans & the turnover the team went through in the summer maybe it’s time for the Giroux apologists to see the truth? The guy puts up points but stinks as a leader thus the reason why this team looks mostly the same (uninspired) for a majority of games this year. Jake can no longer be blamed so whose the scapegoat now for the last decade of mediocrity. Morgan Frost? Nate Thompson? The same popcorn vendor that has been employed for G’s captain tenure? The problem has always started atvthe top w him yet people are blinded by his stats. Lackadaisical culture created by the C.
- Fopa21

How much are you going to list on your W-2 for your semi-pro income earned?

I think Bill nailed it. The Flyers are missing key players and that is throwing everything else out of whack. Seeler is playing far too much, but what other options does AV have? Morin's injury is certainly having more impact then some want to admit. And yes, Brassard is not a 2C, we all knew that going into the season, but again, what other option does AV have? Its not like he can insert Frost right now or Fletcher is going to make a trade. I have gone over several scenarios in my head but I keep coming to the same conclusion, the Flyers just need to thread water until Ellis and Hayes come back, and hopefully when they do, everyone gets slotted into the right spots and the team plays better.

Still what bothers me more about last night is being out worked by the Penguins, that is not acceptable. The effort was there, but the Flyers got beat in too many battles last night.
- jd250

There are moves that the coaching staff can make now but for some reason they won't do it. They did change up in terms of which defense pair plays with what line but that didn't seem to make an impact.

Exactly. & who has been here throughout all of that? It’s time G gets blame instead of the pass he’s consistently got because he puts up points. He’d rather skate around & call guys pigeons than lead the right way.
- Fopa21

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