Incredible that Strome can get in the doghouse so easily while Colliton is petrified of doing it to Murphy. Murphy has at least two giveaways per game, and has made more stupid decisions than David Rundblad on his worst night. But he’s somehow got an A on his chest, and despite being one of the slowest skaters in the league gets 3 on 3 minutes. Don’t know why I’m whining so much because nobody likes Colliton, but if he’s doghousing Strome (which he should), why can’t he apply that logic to the other dogs on the team?
- ObeseOprah

If he did that he’d have a line up of 8 players and a goalie

It was obvious to all who watched this team just flat out lacks talent. Dach hasn't come close to matching his performance in Edmonton. The passing by Carolina was something the Hawks need to aspire to. It's frustrating to see the Hawks enter the offensive zone only to immediately lose the puck. Something has to give.

At the end of the first period of last nights game, Carpenter led the Hawks in ice time

5 on 5 as well.

What ever has he done to earn top line minutes over literally anyone should tell you all you need to know about Colliton

His inability to put players in positions to succeed and properly slot ice time with the players talent is 100% direct result of the teams inability to score 5 on 5

Because he is obviously not doing what the coaches are asking of him (as evidenced by JC's recent statements). This is why you don't make decisions based on the stats alone.
- Chunk

I guess I misunderstood the point of the game, I thought it was to score more goals that the opponent.

Not every player is a Hagel. Strome has a history of generating offense, which the Hawks could certainly use right now.

Additional context:

Ben Pope
@BenPopeCST
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57m
Khaira and Stillman can play in the US but not Canada right now because it's been more than 10 days since they got COVID (which is the NHL requirement) but less than 14 (which is the Canada entry requirement), in my understanding
- Chunk

Did they mention the reason Jeremy Colliton was not allowed to travel?

LA Hawk, maybe you too Rick or Wiz, or anyone who's commented on moving Dach to wing, wonder what you think of Tuch, a winger, going to Buffalo?

For the record my position has never changed, the Hawks drafted Dach to be a franchise #1 C or they would have drafted the closest player to Kane I've seen since Kane himself, Zegras. Think they saw Zegras as a wing and even as fans we know how hard it is to find a #1, and even a #2, NHL centerman. So they went Dach, the centerman over the more skilled winger, and it'll be a long long long time before they give up on that with a caveat being the regime who drafted him is gone. Maybe the new brain trust sees him as a wing?

Reason I bring up Tuch, is I've been a huge fan of this freaky player since I first saw him live with the NTDP (ironically Eichel was on that team, as was Larkin). That size/skating/skill/hands package is rare and in fact without a refined scouts eye I don't see much of a gap between Dach and Tuch. I guess scouring film might clear it up but otherwise I see comparable players. ......... Curious if you have a thought? For the first time we see Tuch not road blocked out of a top 6 assuming BUF doesn't move him right away.

Why in the ever loving world he simply wont do...

36-19-88 - (23 at times)
12-77-8 - (23 at times)

Then bottom 6 and have no business seeing top 6 minutes in a game ever - ever. If you do, you dont F'd up as a coach in your ice time.
23-13- 90-17-11
58-52-22-16

Do this for a 10 game span.

Seeing as how the Hawks aren’t firing the clown show anytime soon, I wonder who’s available as UFA with all of the newfound money we’ll have from Fleury leaving and all of our raises being given out to guys who had either not earned it or never played a game for us.
If I could pick some talent of the UFA class, I wouldn’t mind splashing some money on:
Giroux
Lindholm
Goudreau
Rakell
Miller
Hertl
Rust
Palat

Most of these guys are exiting their prime or already have (29 is when most start a decline), but that’s the way our silly UFA system is set up.
We’ve seen what rakell, Lindholm, and Miller can do when on a good team. While Hertl and Giroux can actually add something to a top six, Palat plays a great underrated game.

The thing most lacking on this Hawks team besides coaching is talent. Replacement level players like Khaira, Hardman, Carpenter, Murphy, and the like are fine if you’re only playing a few of them on a good team with a solid system. Having them show up on the power play and in 6 on 5 late game situations is a major red flag. We need talent.
- ObeseOprah

Out of that UFA list, Lindholm and Hertl are the ones I'd pursue because they're younger and have 4-5 good years ahead of them still (Hertl will be 28 and Lindholm 27 when summer rolls around).

The Hawks need to rebuild, not continue to tinker around the edges. Fleury will be gone. Kane and Toews will be in their final years. If any free agents are coming in, make sure they fit a rebuild or are at least are youthful yet experienced.

Veterans are already on the team with Kane, Toews, T Johnson, S Jones, Murphy, and McCabe. Restock with and build from youth.

If the Hawks really want to reload, you see what you can get in trades for Kane and Toews. Probably won't get much for Toews but Kane could net some decent futures. And that's if the Hawks retain salary (50% or $5.25M max each per cap rules).

The Sabres got a good package in exchange for Eichel whose health is very much up in the air. Krebs, 1st rounder, 2nd rounder, and Tuch (he's likely more to make the money work out). Kane could net something similar if not better, IMO.

But it remains to be seen what path management will take and who will actually be making the decisions, i.e. Davidson as interim GM or a new permanent GM.

At the end of the first period of last nights game, Carpenter led the Hawks in ice time

5 on 5 as well.

What ever has he done to earn top line minutes over literally anyone should tell you all you need to know about Colliton

His inability to put players in positions to succeed and properly slot ice time with the players talent is 100% direct result of the teams inability to score 5 on 5
- PatShart

Really, really hard to understand this. Has me almost as perplexed as I am over the Gus being on the team and playing thing..........

I guess I misunderstood the point of the game, I thought it was to score more goals that the opponent.

Not every player is a Hagel. Strome has a history of generating offense, which the Hawks could certainly use right now.
- scottak

It is to score more goals than the opponent. In order to do that you also have to limit the opposition's goals. Whether just or not, Strome is not playing because he is seen by the coaches as being deficient at his defensive responsibilities. He's obviously been told this numerous times this year and last and he still refuses to alter his habits.

This is not an endorsement of paying Carpenter so much either. This is also stupid, but adding Strome back into the lineup will only perpetuate the problems that we've seen for the last two years. They may score a little more, but they will continue to give up more as well.

End result - more losses, same frustration.

Out of that UFA list, Lindholm and Hertl are the ones I'd pursue because they're younger and have 4-5 good years ahead of them still (Hertl will be 28 and Lindholm 27 when summer rolls around).

The Hawks need to rebuild, not continue to tinker around the edges. Fleury will be gone. Kane and Toews will be in their final years. If any free agents are coming in, make sure they fit a rebuild or are at least are youthful yet experienced.

Veterans are already on the team with Kane, Toews, T Johnson, S Jones, Murphy, and McCabe. Restock with and build from youth.

If the Hawks really want to reload, you see what you can get in trades for Kane and Toews. Probably won't get much for Toews but Kane could net some decent futures. And that's if the Hawks retain salary (50% or $5.25M max each per cap rules).

The Sabres got a good package in exchange for Eichel whose health is very much up in the air. Krebs, 1st rounder, 2nd rounder, and Tuch (he's likely more to make the money work out). Kane could net something similar if not better, IMO.

But it remains to be seen what path management will take and who will actually be making the decisions, i.e. Davidson as interim GM or a new permanent GM.
- Theo Fox

I do not care if the organIzation wants to rebuild or go for the cup, I really don't. But after 5 yrs of changing course multiple times I just want a defined plan made by adults and every person in the organIzation to understand and adhere to it.

I'd add this though after they had 15,000 paying customers 2 games back. There will never be a better time attendance wise for a rebuild as the rotten stench of the Beach debacle fades over time. They're gonna take a hit cuz of that to some extent why not sneak a rebuild into that time frame?

Additional context:

Ben Pope
@BenPopeCST
·
57m
Khaira and Stillman can play in the US but not Canada right now because it's been more than 10 days since they got COVID (which is the NHL requirement) but less than 14 (which is the Canada entry requirement), in my understanding
- Chunk

Not aimed at you at all, Chunk. If true, a medication review seems to be in order.

LA Hawk, maybe you too Rick or Wiz, or anyone who's commented on moving Dach to wing, wonder what you think of Tuch, a winger, going to Buffalo?

For the record my position has never changed, the Hawks drafted Dach to be a franchise #1 C or they would have drafted the closest player to Kane I've seen since Kane himself, Zegras. Think they saw Zegras as a wing and even as fans we know how hard it is to find a #1, and even a #2, NHL centerman. So they went Dach, the centerman over the more skilled winger, and it'll be a long long long time before they give up on that with a caveat being the regime who drafted him is gone. Maybe the new brain trust sees him as a wing?

Reason I bring up Tuch, is I've been a huge fan of this freaky player since I first saw him live with the NTDP (ironically Eichel was on that team, as was Larkin). That size/skating/skill/hands package is rare and in fact without a refined scouts eye I don't see much of a gap between Dach and Tuch. I guess scouring film might clear it up but otherwise I see comparable players. ......... Curious if you have a thought? For the first time we see Tuch not road blocked out of a top 6 assuming BUF doesn't move him right away.
- Mr Ricochet

To me Rico, Tuch is a great comparison, although to me Tuch is more shoot first, I think him and Dach do not see the ice quickly enough to be playmakers. Dach is a very good passer, playmaker when he has time. He hasn't shown me the ability to make the proper play when challenged. Also, he stickhandles too much and by the time he waits to make a play, the play is no longer there.

It is to score more goals than the opponent. In order to do that you also have to limit the opposition's goals. Whether just or not, Strome is not playing because he is seen by the coaches as being deficient at his defensive responsibilities. He's obviously been told this numerous times this year and last and he still refuses to alter his habits.

This is not an endorsement of paying Carpenter so much either. This is also stupid, but adding Strome back into the lineup will only perpetuate the problems that we've seen for the last two years. They may score a little more, but they will continue to give up more as well.

End result - more losses, same frustration.
- Chunk

Why does Kubalik play then? Talking about being a disaster in his own/neutral zone.

It is to score more goals than the opponent. In order to do that you also have to limit the opposition's goals. Whether just or not, Strome is not playing because he is seen by the coaches as being deficient at his defensive responsibilities. He's obviously been told this numerous times this year and last and he still refuses to alter his habits.

This is not an endorsement of paying Carpenter so much either. This is also stupid, but adding Strome back into the lineup will only perpetuate the problems that we've seen for the last two years. They may score a little more, but they will continue to give up more as well.

End result - more losses, same frustration.
- Chunk

Strome has not been on the ice for a goal against this season. He's the only forward of the 16 that can make this statement. So what, exactly, has he done wrong defensively?

He sure as hell hasn't been bailed out by the goalies.

Incredible that Strome can get in the doghouse so easily while Colliton is petrified of doing it to Murphy. Murphy has at least two giveaways per game, and has made more stupid decisions than David Rundblad on his worst night. But he’s somehow got an A on his chest, and despite being one of the slowest skaters in the league gets 3 on 3 minutes. Don’t know why I’m whining so much because nobody likes Colliton, but if he’s doghousing Strome (which he should), why can’t he apply that logic to the other dogs on the team?
- ObeseOprah

Not bad for a defenseman seriously, what do you expect?

Why does Kubalik play then? Talking about being a disaster in his own/neutral zone.
- LAHawk

Kubalik is a 3rd liner we expect more from Strome.

To me Rico, Tuch is a great comparison, although to me Tuch is more shoot first, I think him and Dach do not see the ice quickly enough to be playmakers. Dach is a very good passer, playmaker when he has time. He hasn't shown me the ability to make the proper play when challenged. Also, he stickhandles too much and by the time he waits to make a play, the play is no longer there.
- LAHawk

I'm gonna assume you played the sport, LA . You know there are two things that any player who moves up the ladder has to deal with. #1 the speed of the next level #2 the size/strength of the opponent.

With that in mind Dach is 20 yrs old, has played a total of 92 NHL games going straight from Saskatoon to the NHL. The kid did not have the benefit of the AHL to acclimate to the speed of anything other than Jrs. That his decision making/vision at the NHL level under the circumstances can be poor is understandable to me.

As little as I saw him at Saskatoon he slowed games down. Although cuz of his freaky physical skill he can play at pace his game is cerebral, he slows games down and dissects, at least at the Jr level. ...... That the NHL is too fast for his strengths right now doesn't surprise me. If it's like that after 200-250 games it won't translate and someone will decide to move him to wing.

To me Rico, Tuch is a great comparison, although to me Tuch is more shoot first, I think him and Dach do not see the ice quickly enough to be playmakers. Dach is a very good passer, playmaker when he has time. He hasn't shown me the ability to make the proper play when challenged. Also, he stickhandles too much and by the time he waits to make a play, the play is no longer there.
- LAHawk

Some scary truth here. He's just a kid, however. He'll break through down the road. I have confidence in his abilities, but short term may be a legitimate question mark. I'm also wondering out loud about how some of the younger players on ALL teams are adjusting to a full time schedule? A lot of quick turnarounds now. Another obstacle they are forced to work through. They may be healthy, but it still has to pose a challenge.

Out of that UFA list, Lindholm and Hertl are the ones I'd pursue because they're younger and have 4-5 good years ahead of them still (Hertl will be 28 and Lindholm 27 when summer rolls around).

The Hawks need to rebuild, not continue to tinker around the edges. Fleury will be gone. Kane and Toews will be in their final years. If any free agents are coming in, make sure they fit a rebuild or are at least are youthful yet experienced.

Veterans are already on the team with Kane, Toews, T Johnson, S Jones, Murphy, and McCabe. Restock with and build from youth.

If the Hawks really want to reload, you see what you can get in trades for Kane and Toews. Probably won't get much for Toews but Kane could net some decent futures. And that's if the Hawks retain salary (50% or $5.25M max each per cap rules).

The Sabres got a good package in exchange for Eichel whose health is very much up in the air. Krebs, 1st rounder, 2nd rounder, and Tuch (he's likely more to make the money work out). Kane could net something similar if not better, IMO.

But it remains to be seen what path management will take and who will actually be making the decisions, i.e. Davidson as interim GM or a new permanent GM.
- Theo Fox

Here is my question will Davidson be allowed to make moves especially when tdl comes around? Imo I believe hawks won't get a new president of hockey operations and gm until this Civil case us done or in the offseason which ever comes first.. I only ask because the way hawks are trending there are players to be moved. Kubalik Strom carpenter dehann Murphy fleury Karai etc.. i would put Kane and Toews names out there to see what the market would be for them

I'm gonna assume you played the sport, LA . You know there are two things that any player who moves up the ladder has to deal with. #1 the speed of the next level #2 the size/strength of the opponent.

With that in mind Dach is 20 yrs old, has played a total of 92 NHL games going straight from Saskatoon to the NHL. The kid did not have the benefit of the AHL to acclimate to the speed of anything other than Jrs. That his decision making/vision at the NHL level under the circumstances can be poor is understandable to me.

As little as I saw him at Saskatoon he slowed games down. Although cuz of his freaky physical skill he can play at pace his game is cerebral, he slows games down and dissects, at least at the Jr level. ...... That the NHL is too fast for his strengths right now doesn't surprise me. If it's like that after 200-250 games it won't translate and someone will decide to move him to wing.
- Mr Ricochet

I did play Rico. I never saw Dach in jr's so only seen what I have seen in the pro's. I can see what you are saying, but right now his slowing the game down is just getting him stickhandling in the corner and run out of options. Hopefully he gets it. I don't think he is a bust, I just don't see the "hockey sense" to play #1 center. I

Strome has not been on the ice for a goal against this season. He's the only forward of the 16 that can make this statement. So what, exactly, has he done wrong defensively?

He sure as hell hasn't been bailed out by the goalies.
- scottak

Right before the part you highlighted were the words "as seen by the coaches". Ask them. I only have the ability to watch on TV without the benefit of review.

Why in the ever loving world he simply wont do...

36-19-88 - (23 at times)
12-77-8 - (23 at times)

Then bottom 6 and have no business seeing top 6 minutes in a game ever - ever. If you do, you dont F'd up as a coach in your ice time.
23-13- 90-17-11
58-52-22-16

Do this for a 10 game span.
- PatShart

They traded Highmore

LA Hawk, maybe you too Rick or Wiz, or anyone who's commented on moving Dach to wing, wonder what you think of Tuch, a winger, going to Buffalo?

For the record my position has never changed, the Hawks drafted Dach to be a franchise #1 C or they would have drafted the closest player to Kane I've seen since Kane himself, Zegras. Think they saw Zegras as a wing and even as fans we know how hard it is to find a #1, and even a #2, NHL centerman. So they went Dach, the centerman over the more skilled winger, and it'll be a long long long time before they give up on that with a caveat being the regime who drafted him is gone. Maybe the new brain trust sees him as a wing?

Reason I bring up Tuch, is I've been a huge fan of this freaky player since I first saw him live with the NTDP (ironically Eichel was on that team, as was Larkin). That size/skating/skill/hands package is rare and in fact without a refined scouts eye I don't see much of a gap between Dach and Tuch. I guess scouring film might clear it up but otherwise I see comparable players. ......... Curious if you have a thought? For the first time we see Tuch not road blocked out of a top 6 assuming BUF doesn't move him right away.
- Mr Ricochet

Big fan of Tuch here.

Here is my question will Davidson be allowed to make moves especially when tdl comes around? Imo I believe hawks won't get a new president of hockey operations and gm until this Civil case us done or in the offseason which ever comes first.. I only ask because the way hawks are trending there are players to be moved. Kubalik Strom carpenter dehann Murphy fleury Karai etc.. i would put Kane and Toews names out there to see what the market would be for them
- Scott1977

The only one above that will get you anything more than a Zamboni is Kubalik, and since his play so far does not warrant much of a raise, I don't see him going anywhere either.