Sweet Jesus. Do you know why most players hate when people bring up all of these "stats"? It is because they do not tell the entire story. They are a useful tool to help evaluators draw a more complete picture of what a player is.

They can try all they want to devise some metric that explains everything, but in the end, the numbers fall short of providing a full picture. Why? Because there is more going on than simply measuring shot attempts, "high danger" chances and shift length. David Runblad had great metrics, but everyone who ever watched a game knew he was a horsepoop hockey player.

These are two different statements:
1) Player X is better than Player Y.
2) Player X is playing better than Player Y.

Kurashev was sat for a game, and when he went back in he's stayed in and played top nine, when in all reality, he probably has a game that would be better suited to play the 4th vs Strome. Why is Strome playing down? Because he is not playing the way he needs to in order to be consistent and effective.

Finally, I've not said either way whether I think JC is a good or bad coach. I simply stated the fact that he knows volumes more about hockey than you do.
- Chunk

Alrighty then, Borgstrom and Kurashev are better players than Strome in your opinion

And

JC knows more about hockey than i do. But you're Switzerland on JC as a coach, good vs bad

Alrighty then, Borgstrom and Kurashev are better players than Strome in your opinion

And

JC knows more about hockey than i do. But you're Switzerland on JC as a coach, good vs bad
- BetweenTheDots

And he still can't read for poop....

And he still can't read for poop....
- Chunk

If that were a prerequisite on this board we'd never hear from GPHawkTroll...IMEHO of course.

And he still can't read for poop....
- Chunk

Reading isn’t the issue, comprehension is.

And he still can't read for poop....
- Chunk

Borgstrom and Kurashev (not that he is playing much center right now) both are much more effective hockey players than Strome. They both win board battles/puck possession and routinely are in the slot/going to the net. Strome occasionally does that. Which is the maddening part, because if he did it all the time he would be a solid asset.

Is there a different Chunk on this board

From what I've seen Borgstrom has very good hands and a plus (and accurate) shot. He is also been adept at coming away from the wall with the puck. Kurashev could have better hands, but he also comes away with the puck and can fight through checks. Yes, they both have their flaws, but I personally find them both more effective overall players than Strome.

Again, we disagree on Toews current state. He may not be what he once was, but he is still a better center than anything else on the roster right now (IMO). I also would doubt that simply moving him to wing will extend his usefulness, as his play wouldn't change all that much, just his responsibilities.
- Chunk

Then there's this post, sorry i didn't use more effective hockey players, is that different than better hockey players?

Then there's this post, sorry i didn't use more effective hockey players, is that different than better hockey players?
- BetweenTheDots

Yes. It is. From the post you responded to...

These are two different statements:
1) Player X is better than Player Y.
2) Player X is playing better than Player Y.

Kurashev was sat for a game, and when he went back in he's stayed in and played top nine, when in all reality, he probably has a game that would be better suited to play the 4th vs Strome. Why is Strome playing down? Because he is not playing the way he needs to in order to be consistent and effective.

They are playing better than Strome. I don't know what Borgstrom is ultimately. I've seen him play 6 games or whatever. From what he's shown thus far, he reads plays, wins pucks, and can keep up better than Strome. Kurashev the same, although he doesn't show as much skill.

The Hawks are reported to have tried to trade Strome. They have every incentive to put and keep him on the ice. He is not, because he isn't doing what the coaching staff wants him to. Hence he is not playing as well as the other two.

Maybe this context will work better. Brent Seabrook is a better hockey player than de Haan, but he was not playing better than de Haan (in this case for medical reasons)

Yes. It is. From the post you responded to...

These are two different statements:
1) Player X is better than Player Y.
2) Player X is playing better than Player Y.

Kurashev was sat for a game, and when he went back in he's stayed in and played top nine, when in all reality, he probably has a game that would be better suited to play the 4th vs Strome. Why is Strome playing down? Because he is not playing the way he needs to in order to be consistent and effective.

They are playing better than Strome. I don't know what Borgstrom is ultimately. I've seen him play 6 games or whatever. From what he's shown thus far, he reads plays, wins pucks, and can keep up better than Strome. Kurashev the same, although he doesn't show as much skill.

The Hawks are reported to have tried to trade Strome. They have every incentive to put and keep him on the ice. He is not, because he isn't doing what the coaching staff wants him to. Hence he is not playing as well as the other two.

Maybe this context will work better. Brent Seabrook is a better hockey player than de Haan, but he was not playing better than de Haan (in this case for medical reasons)
- Chunk

So you think Strome is a better player than Kurashev and Borgstrom

But you think Borgstrom and Kurashev are playing better than Strome?

Are you a politician

So you think Strome is a better player than Kurashev and Borgstrom

But you think Borgstrom and Kurashev are playing better than Strome?

Are you a politician
- BetweenTheDots

Nope I'm a chemist. Are you being willfully ignorant? You are telling me that you can’t understand that a player of higher skill and ability can play worse than players below his ability if he does not put forth the appropriate effort or understand his responsibilities.

Nope. Are you being willfully ignorant? You are telling me that you can’t understand that a player of higher skill and ability can play worse than layers below his ability if he does not put forth the appropriate effort or understand his responsibilities.
- Chunk

These are two different statements:
1) Player X, Strome is better than Player Y, Kurashev.
2) Player X, Kurashev is playing better than Player Y Strome.

I'm using your example,
Let me know when you figure out what you're trying to say and just say it
I'm out

These are two different statements:
1) Player X, Strome is better than Player Y, Kurashev.
2) Player X, Kurashev is playing better than Player Y Strome.

I'm using your example,
Let me know when you figure out what you're trying to say and just say it
I'm out
- BetweenTheDots

Fine. Strome has the skill and ability to be a better player, but he's playing like poop so the other players are more effective (or better right now). Succinct enough for you?

Edit - I should have clarified - Nope, I'm not a politician.

So you think Strome is a better player than Kurashev and Borgstrom. But you think Borgstrom and Kurashev are playing better than Strome?
Are you a politician and how many red M&M's are in the jar?
- BetweenTheDots

I don't like "word" problems.

There is a lengthy list of talented Dmen ruined by being brought to their NHL teams long before they were ready - physically, mentally and capable of coping with the NHL game. Bovqist is just one of them - Luke Schenn, Alexandre Picard, Gary Nylund, Jim Benning, many more.

No time to develop, expectations too great.

Philipps is getting a small taste as a reward and so hockey ops can have a look. Thats all and send him back to the AHL to play big minutes and grow. He only has 100 or so games of junior experience under his belt and the few games with Rockford. Maybe he can be developed into a Darnell Nurse type - not in the microwave which was Bowman's way, but by playing under good tutelage Rockford. Same applies to Nolan Allen they drafted this year.
- RickJ

I think these days may be over for the Blackhawks as Bowman (even though he rightly is gone due to mishandling the Beach situation) has done a good job building the depth in the org. The downside is that there is a logjam that the new GM will have to handle correctly. In the end there may be a top pairing deficit that has to be addressed. Looking at next year:

McCabe - S. Jones
Kalynuk - Murphy
C. Jones - Stillman
Galvas

Beaudin - Mitchell
Phillips - Regula
Krys - Krutil

Potential Signs
Crevier (already signed) - Kaiser - Demin - Vlasic

2023 Potential Signs
Allan (already signed) - Harding - DelMastro - Kelly

Am thinking optimistically that this is something to build on. The new GM will just have to figure out which ones to keep (and maybe find a way to get another top-pair Dman).

New blog! A look at the Blackhawks vs Hurricanes game tonight that could be as good of a benchmark as any coming off the first win and now going up against the NHL's only undefeated team.

Plus, updates on Louis Crevier, Arvid Soderblom, Alex Nylander, and Lukas Reichel.

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