That’s what I thought too. That’s a span of what? 12-15 years and you have zero of those 1st rounders playing in your organization. That’s almost impossible to accomplish
- cburgess

To be fair Pacioretty and McDonagh were traded away, but I agree the scouting is mediocre (at best) and there's no salary cap on scouting, so why can't they throw a ton of money into it? A house cleaning is clearly needed. Too bad Molson can't be fired too, but I'd settle for a purge from GM to bottom.

So, that begs the question.

Is it Timmons selecting the first round pick or the GM?
- pete26

doesn't matter. the end result is the same.
like I said, BOS' top line are 2nd rounders (except Pastrnak a very late 1st rounder). we get McCarron, Poehling, Scherbak, Tinordi and the list goes on and on and on

To be fair Pacioretty and McDonagh were traded away, but I agree the scouting is mediocre (at best) and there's no salary cap on scouting, so why can't they throw a ton of money into it? A house cleaning is clearly needed. Too bad Molson can't be fired too, but I'd settle for a purge from GM to bottom.
- apex123

That’s a fair point on patches,but most picks were guys like Louis Leblanc, jered tinordi, mike macaron, Nathan baulieu, etc. Just so many busts in the last 15 years.

That’s a fair point on patches,but most picks were guys like Louis Leblanc, jered tinordi, mike macaron, Nathan baulieu, etc. Just so many busts in the last 15 years.
- cburgess

not a single 70 pt player in 18 years.
j'va te prendre un 6/49

doesn't matter. the end result is the same.
like I said, BOS' top line are 2nd rounders or very latre 1st rounders. we get McCarron, Poehling, Scherbak, Tinordi and the list goes on and on and on
- fidopro

For sure.

And I’m not defending anyone, just saying maybe that’s why Timmons is still around.

His choices were right, they're just playing on other teams..

For sure.

And I’m not defending anyone, just saying maybe that’s why Timmons is still around.

His choices were right, they're just playing on other teams..
- pete26

no they weren't

no they weren't
- fidopro

Just saying maybe his choice was trumped by the gm.

I dunno..

Just saying maybe his choice was trumped by the gm.

I dunno..
- pete26

yeah. excuses. enough of these. beubye

To be fair to Bergevin, it's the kind of garbage that has been fueled by the toxic Montreal media still stuck in the dynasty years of the 70s, which also managed to brainwash a majority of the fan base as well. In their minds, the Sainte-Flanelle can not be tainted by this idea of losing 'on purpose' as part of a well planned strategy to rebuild the team through elite players selected at the top of the 1st round.

As long as this situation endures, the team will always be stuck in the purgatory of average to mediocre with no hope of being in a window of contention for the Cup. It will take a leader far braver than the likes of Molson and Bergevin to sit down with the fanbase and media and explain them how to build a true championship team in the 21st century era of salary cap.
- AK27

Agreed this has been going on way before Bergevin. Molson might be the problem. Marc, no rebuild and no tanking. Give the fans hope, sell out the bell center and sell my beer. Make the playoffs and sell my beer.i mean, there's an entire business school in Montreal with his families name on it. He first and foremost a businessman.

Bergevin was unlucky too. One year he drafts third in one of the worst draft classes ever and the center he does draft decided to piss his career away being a rockstar banging strippers and doing blow until eight in the morning every night.

The next time he drafts third there are no centers! Nothing but dmen. So he took a chance on a late riser who should have gone in the second round, who had major issues with his skating. It didn't work out.

However ten years later, still the same low percentage plan and no stud d, no stud center. He needs to go.

Agreed this has been going on way before Bergevin. Molson might be the problem. Marc, no rebuild and no tanking. Give the fans hope, sell out the bell center and sell my beer. Make the playoffs and sell my beer.i mean, there's an entire business school in Montreal with his families name on it. He first and foremost a businessman.

Bergevin was unlucky too. One year he drafts third in one of the worst draft classes ever and the center he does draft decided to piss his career away being a rockstar banging strippers and doing blow until eight in the morning every night.

The next time he drafts third there are no centers! Nothing but dmen. So he took a chance on a late riser who should have gone in the second round, who had major issues with his skating. It didn't work out.

However ten years later, still the same low percentage plan and no stud d, no stud center. He needs to go.
- hunglikeapuck

like yesterday

yeah. excuses. enough of these. beubye
- fidopro

Lol.

How else how can a person explain why he’s been there so long with that poopty of a record?

I don’t disagree..

well, that's his responsability. he owns it at 100%.
- fidopro

sure, but still he's been a very decent GM for the most part, and replacing Timmins could potentially be considered as equally significant as firing Bergewin... the fact that Trevor has been with the organization since 2002 is a head-scratcher.

Lol.

How else how can a person explain why he’s been there so long with that poopty of a record?

I don’t disagree..
- pete26

that is a very good question.

So, that begs the question.

Is it Timmons selecting the first round pick or the GM?
- pete26

this is a very, very good question... but technically the GM always has
the right of veto, so in the end you can always blame Bergeron for the team's failures

sure, but still he's been a very decent GM for the most part, and replacing Timmins could potentially be considered as equally significant as firing Bergewin... the fact that Trevor has been with the organization since 2002 is a head-scratcher.
- Pat1993

he's good at trades.
sadly that's not enough. proof has been made, look at the standings.
if you can't see you need to fire your trainng buddy to improve your team... you need to go. even if you're good at trades.

new blog, wow that game was crap: https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=114272

this is a very, very good question... but technically the GM always has
the right of veto, so in the end you can always blame Bergeron for the team's failures
- Pat1993

See how many first round picks are on the team.

That should answer your question..

he's good at trades.
sadly that's not enough. proof has been made, look at the standings.
if you can't see you need to fire your trainng buddy to improve your team... you need to go. even if you're good at trades.
- fidopro

1st rule: You do not talk about the Biceps Club.

Agreed this has been going on way before Bergevin. Molson might be the problem. Marc, no rebuild and no tanking. Give the fans hope, sell out the bell center and sell my beer. Make the playoffs and sell my beer.i mean, there's an entire business school in Montreal with his families name on it. He first and foremost a businessman.

Bergevin was unlucky too. One year he drafts third in one of the worst draft classes ever and the center he does draft decided to piss his career away being a rockstar banging strippers and doing blow until eight in the morning every night.

The next time he drafts third there are no centers! Nothing but dmen. So he took a chance on a late riser who should have gone in the second round, who had major issues with his skating. It didn't work out.

However ten years later, still the same low percentage plan and no stud d, no stud center. He needs to go.
- hunglikeapuck

Luck has a lot to do with it, but when it’s an 18year old draft, you don’t draft by positional need. The reached and took kotkeniemi and it back fired.

Luck has a lot to do with it, but when it’s an 18year old draft, you don’t draft by positional need. The reached and took kotkeniemi and it back fired.
- cburgess

and while i agree luck plays a part in it, you cannot be unlucky for 18 years. sorry.
if so, hire a guy who has more luck!!

and while i agree luck plays a part in it, you cannot be unlucky for 18 years. sorry.
if so, hire a guy who has more luck!!
- fidopro

No I agree with that, but when they did bomb and got a top 3 pick, habs got galchenyuk and kotkeniemi. Hawks got Jonathan’s toews 3rd overall. That’s kinda what I mean by luck

No I agree with that, but when they did bomb and got a top 3 pick, habs got galchenyuk and kotkeniemi. Hawks got Jonathan’s toews 3rd overall. That’s kinda what I mean by luck
- cburgess

sorry, drafting kk over Tkachuk or Hughes is not bad luck. it's criminal! it's criminal for timmins just as much as it is for MB. whoever made the pick, I don't give a poop. impardonnable.

sorry, drafting kk over Tkachuk or Hughes is not bad luck. it's criminal! it's criminal for timmins just as much as it is for MB. impardonnable.
- fidopro

But even Brady isn’t at a Jonathan toews level.

But even Brady isn’t at a Jonathan toews level.
- cburgess

of course, but a mistake here, a mistake there.... over the years we have what we have. a poopy team.

of course, but a mistake here, a mistake there.... over the years we have what we have. a poopy team.
- fidopro

No for sure, a top 3 pick should be an automatic impact player atleast. Brady would of been better for sure looking back, but still doesn’t answer the top line centre problem. I’m assuming their theory was “ only way to get a top centre is to draft and develop one.” Obviously that looks bad now