Beach was responsible for going to the cops for his own situation. Then the entire truth about his situation would be known and Aldrich would likely have been dealt with

As of now, while Aldrich is guilty of the assault in the 15 year old, The Beach/Aldrich is still a he said/he said, given that the testimony of the unnamed woman in question leads Beach's statements to lack credibility
- TheGame316

Thats why Towes and Keith and Kane and your whole organization lied for 11 years cause they believed some woman who was in the room over their own player.

Yes Beach and the Intern both lied.

Nothing ever happened.

Management never talked about winning the cup over doing the right thing.

Aldrich left on his own accord cause he was never in the wrong.

And your a joke

- DirtyDan

Read the report

And then carefully explain to me the difference between the unnamed woman's version of events and Beach's. And then summarize why the 3rd party woman with no skin in the game would be the one lying

I'll wait

Can't believe some of the comments by "fans".

Wouldn't be saying these things if it was their children, brother, father.

Glad there are some respectable Blackhawk fans though.
- DirtyDan

Reaction if he were my son.....

1st - I would seriously consider ending Aldrich, but a maiming at least.

2nd - serious beating for Gary for telling my kid it was his fault.

3rd - mid-level beating for any "teammate" who hazed him.

4th - normal beating for McD for putting The Brand over my kid. And for having a raging case of Jerk Face.

5th - punch in the jaw for Q.

That's all.

Read the report

And then carefully explain to me the difference between the unnamed woman's version of events and Beach's. And then summarize why the 3rd party woman with no skin in the game would be the one lying

I'll wait
- TheGame316

Explain why Keith denied ever knowing about it while other players say everyone in that room knew?

I'll wait.

Why did the public never become aware till 11 years later?

i'll wait.

Thats why Towes and Keith and Kane and your whole organization lied for 11 years cause they believed some woman who was in the room over their own player.


- DirtyDan

You had better hope nothing comes up with the Sabres.

Explain why Keith denied ever knowing about it while other players say everyone in that room knew?

I'll wait.

Why did the public never become aware till 11 years later?

i'll wait.
- DirtyDan

Because Keith is trying to avoid any blowback on him personally

Because Beach never went public with it, or to actual authorities and allowed it to be buried and disappear

This doesn't exclude that one of either Beach or the unnamed woman are lying about their version of events. I can't see the motivation for the woman to lie, she comes out looking quite bad....Can you?

Read the report

And then carefully explain to me the difference between the unnamed woman's version of events and Beach's. And then summarize why the 3rd party woman with no skin in the game would be the one lying

I'll wait
- TheGame316

I agree. How anyone can watch Kyle’s interview from yesterday and still ask these asinine questions that every rape victim hears ‘wELL hOw dRuNk were YoU?’ ‘sEeMs liKe theRes a diFfereNt stOry fRom SoMeOne’ ‘wHy wErE you tHeRe?’ ‘WhY wAiT sO LoNg??’

If you can read the report, and watch the interview, and the first thing you think to write is one of these things… Christ on a bicycle you are lost

Thats why Towes and Keith and Kane and your whole organization lied for 11 years cause they believed some woman who was in the room over their own player.


- DirtyDan

They likely didn't even know of the womans existence until now

As for "lying about it for 11 years" - They heard the rumor, saw Aldrich got fired, Beach toiled in the minors and they likely rarely even saw him and they forgot about it and moved on with their lives

That doesn't equate to "Lying for 11 years"

I agree. How anyone can watch Kyle’s interview from yesterday and still ask these asinine questions that every rape victim hears ‘wELL hOw dRuNk were YoU?’ ‘sEeMs liKe theRes a diFfereNt stOry fRom SoMeOne’ ‘wHy wErE you tHeRe?’ ‘WhY wAiT sO LoNg??’

If you can read the report, and watch the interview, and the first thing you think to write is one of these things… Christ on a bicycle you are lost
- ObeseOprah

Based on the womans version of events, which is in stark contrast to Beach's I do not blindly believe anyone's story without actual evidence, least of all because I saw an emotional interview on TV

Someone's lying, I just don't see the motivation of the unnamed woman to do so in this regard

I don't think you need to preface anything about verbal exchanges being right or wrong. As you mention, the reality is that in competitive sports, especially team sports, horrendous things are frequently spoken between competitors, even teammates. Nothing is out of bounds - mothers, wives, girlfriends, sexual persuasion, ancestry, religious beliefs, skin colour, hairlines. Somewhere along the line, the media decided to call this chirping. Now they and social media participants seem to want to profess shock at some of the things that are said and what crosses the line.

I would have loved to be near enough to listen to exchanges between Kesler and Toews or those started by Brad Marchand, Kevin Bieksa, Patrick Sharp, Shaw or Burrows inside their own dressing room or on the ice.
- RickJ

Yea i think it's hard for people who haven't played organized sports to get that. Especially when you are competing against other players for playing time. They say Michael Jordan and Larry Bird were relentless in their trash talking.

I got 3 lifelong friends from high school, who are coming over Saturday night with their wives, we give each other so much poop, it's unbelievable, the wives roll their eyes and say we just don't get it. We just laugh and laugh and laugh

Reaction if he were my son.....

1st - I would seriously consider ending Aldrich, but a maiming at least.

2nd - serious beating for Gary for telling my kid it was his fault.

3rd - mid-level beating for any "teammate" who hazed him.

4th - normal beating for McD for putting The Brand over my kid. And for having a raging case of Jerk Face.

5th - punch in the jaw for Q.

That's all.
- mohel

Maybe if he was 14...

I'd be more disappointed in myself for raising a 20 year old son who couldn't fight his own battles

Yea i think it's hard for people who haven't played organized sports to get that. Especially when you are competing against other players for playing time. They say Michael Jordan and Larry Bird were relentless in their trash talking.

I got 3 lifelong friends from high school, who are coming over Saturday night with their wives, we give each other so much poop, it's unbelievable, the wives roll their eyes and say we just don't get it. We just laugh and laugh and laugh
- BetweenTheDots

Well, just because it was that way when we played sports (in the 90's for me) doesn't mean it's the same in 2010 or now. My coach would be fired for the stuff he said back in the day and we'd all be disciplined for what we all said. I assume most of the posters here are 30 and up. I wonder what young athletes say now and back in 2010.

I rather see Mitchell in Rockford developing his has been good and improving from what I Been seeing.
Theo after all the fallout of this unfortunate incident do you think towes and Kane are traded so the hawks continues to further themselves from what happen in 2010?
- Scott1977

To early to say how the Hawks will respond about Toews and Kane. It's one thing to base decisions on what they said in a press conference yesterday but completely another to base decisions on further investigation of what happened 11 years ago.

But management could cut their losses and try trading them. The potential return may have taken a big hit due to what's been transpiring this week. Compared to Kane, the return for Toews wouldn't have been favorable regardless given his chronic ailment.

Based on the womans version of events, which is in stark contrast to Beach's I do not blindly believe anyone's story without actual evidence, least of all because I saw an emotional interview on TV

Someone's lying, I just don't see the motivation of the unnamed woman to do so in this regard
- TheGame316

Completely agree. To top it off, all of the parties are adults, not children. If Beach was a minor this is a totally different story.

Well, just because it was that way when we played sports (in the 90's for me) doesn't mean it's the same in 2010 or now. My coach would be fired for the stuff he said back in the day and we'd all be disciplined for what we all said. I assume most of the posters here are 30 and up. I wonder what young athletes say now and back in 2010.
- Popsghostly

I completely get it, but i still believe the pro players are talking trash, i mean look at Cat a guy whispering in his ear and he's laughing, saw it against the isle and again last night

Well I do remember they smoked between periods (Pulford, Savard, I think Lafleur)
- LAHawk

Thought Larmer was one too or am I remembering that wrong?

To early to say how the Hawks will respond about Toews and Kane. It's one thing to base decisions on what they said in a press conference yesterday but completely another to base decisions on further investigation of what happened 11 years ago.

But management could cut their losses and try trading them. The potential return may have taken a big hit due to what's been transpiring this week. Compared to Kane, the return for Toews wouldn't have been favorable regardless given his chronic ailment.
- Theo Fox

Toews’ comments yesterday were kind of tone-deaf, but he always seems to be very guarded in what he says - I don’t ever get the feeling that he’s speaking from “the heart”, but more to minimize any damage that could come out.

Kane usually is more open (notwithstanding that presser in 2015 with McDonough sitting there). His comments yesterday were certainly more sympathetic than those of Toews.

But yesterday must have been hard on both of them (without trying to minimize the hurt that Beach has been feeling): Bowman and Quenneville had been with them for all (in Bowman’s case) and most (in Quenneville’s) of their careers - probably the two people in the organization closest to them. Talking about how two affected their careers and lives, and expressing the sadness about what did (and could) happen to them - I think it was a natural response to the situation.

I, of course, have no idea about what they did and didn’t know 11 years ago - or what they should or couldn’t have known then - or about the razzing the Beach apparently was (most unfortunately) forced to endure.

Ian Mitchell reassigned to the Hogs. Isaak Phillips recalled to the Hawks.
- Theo Fox

I like that move. I think that Phillips has nice potential/

I completely get it, but i still believe the pro players are talking trash, i mean look at Cat a guy whispering in his ear and he's laughing, saw it against the isle and again last night
- BetweenTheDots

If you’re 5’7” and playing in the NHL, I’m going out on the limb and say that player is tough both physically and mentally.

If you’re 5’7” and playing in the NHL, I’m going out on the limb and say that player is tough both physically and mentally.
- Angotti

And you learn to carry your stick high.

If you’re 5’7” and playing in the NHL, I’m going out on the limb and say that player is tough both physically and mentally.
- Angotti

I do wonder what Clutterbuck was telling him prior to the face off

Just so I am following correctly, some posters really think that the players should have gone to Rocky's office and said they heard a rumor about the video coach banging a player? You really think an agent would advise his client to do that? You want players to have that much power over the organization?

This is a sad situation, but what is really upsetting is the response from some fans. Absolutely clueless.

Explain why Keith denied ever knowing about it while other players say everyone in that room knew?

I'll wait.

Why did the public never become aware till 11 years later?

i'll wait.
- DirtyDan

Read the report. Sopel and Boynton said everybody knew about Aldrich's sexual orientation and that something was going one. However, this is the important part, they did not know anything about what happened to Beach. Other players said they didn't know anything. So, at the time of the incident, "everyone knew" is simply not true.

A month after the assault happened, Aldrich was gone from the team.

In the following years, players found out about it. Yes, anyone during the last 11 years could have come public with it. However, the players responsibility is that they need to report it. Beach reported it a week after it happened. At that point, and this is the part that people seem to have a problem grasping, the players have nothing to do with it. It was reported and the coach was gone.

Where is the obligations for the players to say something? I understand that the captains (Toews, Keith and Seabrook) would have had an obligation if Beach would have told them. Were they told? We don't know. However, management was made aware a week after the incident.

If you have ever worked in a corporation were someone was let go for nefarious reasons, they don't tell the employees the details because it opens up the company to a whole slew of potential lawsuits and bad press. (Obviously covering it up is far worse and the hawks are dealing with that now.)

Most importantly, the players had no legal obligation to say a damn thing once it was reported. They also might have been told not to say anything because of it being a legal matter. If the team tells the players not to speak publicly about it, why would they? In their eyes it has been resolved and if they say something they might find themselves let go, in the minors or traded. In the end they are hockey players - not press secretaries.

It's amazing watching some people here call for Kane's head. He wasn't a captain. People have called to have certain contracts nullified (I get it, people are pissed off over what this heinous bumhole did), but that isn't going to happen. People have associated guilt to Toews, Kane and Keith because they didn't like what they said. poop, they don't want to deal with this. Just because you disagree with what they said doesn't make them accessories to a crime.

So, show me what laws were broken by the players. Show me were the players engaged in an 11 year long cover up. And if you are going to quote the report, read it first and don't cherry-pick the quotes and construct logical fallacies to make a point.

I'll wait.

The LA Kings are a garbage organization!

Kopitar is a coward.

Doughty is always gonna be a piece of poop scumbag loser!

Dustin Brown is one of the biggest wieners in the league and on top of it he’s a coward!

All the other meaningless players in between are ugly and fat and slow.

Their fans are all cowards! And also ugly.

Anyone who says otherwise is clearly just an awful human being.
- SimpleJack

Personally I think it is still about trying to come to terms with ever having been kitted up in yellow and purple, or knowing that the guy that saved hockey in LA turned out to be a convict, but did manage to do it by trading for Gretzky - and that it took the head coach being the former captain of an eventually to be discovered 'garbage organisation'. . . . :]

I wish the vindicator troll types worked out that the bandwagoners left a long long time ago ... so it is kinda pointless to pile on ... but whatever. Enjoy the Schadenfreude I guess.

Read the report. Sopel and Boynton said everybody knew about Aldrich's sexual orientation and that something was going one. However, this is the important part, they did not know anything about what happened to Beach. Other players said they didn't know anything. So, at the time of the incident, "everyone knew" is simply not true.

A month after the assault happened, Aldrich was gone from the team.

In the following years, players found out about it. Yes, anyone during the last 11 years could have come public with it. However, the players responsibility is that they need to report it. Beach reported it a week after it happened. At that point, and this is the part that people seem to have a problem grasping, the players have nothing to do with it. It was reported and the coach was gone.

Where is the obligations for the players to say something? I understand that the captains (Toews, Keith and Seabrook) would have had an obligation if Beach would have told them. Were they told? We don't know. However, management was made aware a week after the incident.

If you have ever worked in a corporation were someone was let go for nefarious reasons, they don't tell the employees the details because it opens up the company to a whole slew of potential lawsuits and bad press. (Obviously covering it up is far worse and the hawks are dealing with that now.)

Most importantly, the players had no legal obligation to say a damn thing once it was reported. They also might have been told not to say anything because of it being a legal matter. If the team tells the players not to speak publicly about it, why would they? In their eyes it has been resolved and if they say something they might find themselves let go, in the minors or traded. In the end they are hockey players - not press secretaries.

It's amazing watching some people here call for Kane's head. He wasn't a captain. People have called to have certain contracts nullified (I get it, people are pissed off over what this heinous bumhole did), but that isn't going to happen. People have associated guilt to Toews, Kane and Keith because they didn't like what they said. poop, they don't want to deal with this. Just because you disagree with what they said doesn't make them accessories to a crime.

So, show me what laws were broken by the players. Show me were the players engaged in an 11 year long cover up. And if you are going to quote the report, read it first and don't cherry-pick the quotes and construct logical fallacies to make a point.

I'll wait.
- Tanuki

Show me where any law was broken by anyone but Aldrich. The Hawks front office was guilty of being a55holes, but they had no legal obligation to report this to the police since KB was not a minor. They should have conducted an investigation. They should have supported Kyle. They should have fired Aldrich. And they definitely should NOT have let Aldrich anywhere near the Stanley Cup.

Had they conducted an investigation, maybe they would have sent the results to the proper authorities. Maybe they would have supported Beach. Unfortunately, we'll never know. For that, I place 99.9% of the blame on McD.

As for the players, I'm still not sure what to think about them. When Sopel and Boynton say "everyone knew," are they referring to the actual assault of Beach, or just that Aldrich was gay? As others have previously mentioned, was it just in Kyle's head (understandable after having just been recently assaulted) that players knew, and targeted him? Maybe everyone was getting the same basic treatment, but because of what he went through, Beach felt singled out. You could hardly blame KB for thinking that, but that doesn't make his teammates automatically guilty of anything resembling a cover-up. That also isn't excusing players of using homophobic slurs, but we all know that sort of talk in locker rooms is (or at least was) common.