Absolutely correct brother but you know as well as I and everyone else that everything is looked at through the lens of today.
- rtang415

He RESIGNED

They generally played well last nite - but they just can’t score - especially with Kane not scoring even when he’s playing. Both goals were off the rush last nite - my fading recollection is that most of the goals this season - certainly 5x5 - have been off the rush - which is fine, but they have too little dangerous 5x5 ozone time, too few skaters at or going toward the net….

Mrs. Sage is recovering nicely, walking well with a walker. New knee a definite improvement over before.

If she new anyone called me Sage, she’d be laughing so violently that she might reopen the surgical scar.
- StLBravesFan

Good news about your wife.

I agree with your sage analysis of the Hawks.

Hi, Sage. Two questions....what are thoughts on the game last night?

And how's the recovery going for Mrs. Sage?

Well, one more....does she know that you are called Sage here?
- mohel

He RESIGNED
- BetweenTheDots

Yes I understand. I was talking about the temperament of today’s society.

Absolutely correct brother but you know as well as I and everyone else that everything is looked at through the lens of today.
- rtang415

Yes, indeed. That is what bothers me. I kinda like the "you need to follow up" rule, and would be fine with Stan being fired if it were the rule back then. And I understand that they would not get a clean break if he stayed.

Back in the day, this was called an ex post facto law, and it caused trouble between the US and England.

Worth remembering we're expecting many people who came up through this toxic environment - Kane for one - to behave appropriately in this type of situation. Like it or not, someone who had those experiences could very well shutdown and tune out anything happening that takes them back to their own trauma. We just don't know what each individual's experiences have been.

The whole sport needs some serious housecleaning to break the cycle and get rid of the toxicity.

https://www.si.com/hockey...use-and-a-deviant-culture

The LA Kings are a garbage organization!

Kopitar is a coward.

Doughty is always gonna be a piece of poop scumbag loser!

Dustin Brown is one of the biggest wieners in the league and on top of it he’s a coward!

All the other meaningless players in between are ugly and fat and slow.

Their fans are all cowards! And also ugly.

Anyone who says otherwise is clearly just an awful human being.
- SimpleJack

Well said.... 😂

Not saying it was right but this was a common thing guys said to each other on a team. Was on quite a few teams, football especially, if teammates didn't feel you were pulling your weight. Not saying it was right but it happened all the time.
- BetweenTheDots

I don't think you need to preface anything about verbal exchanges being right or wrong. As you mention, the reality is that in competitive sports, especially team sports, horrendous things are frequently spoken between competitors, even teammates. Nothing is out of bounds - mothers, wives, girlfriends, sexual persuasion, ancestry, religious beliefs, skin colour, hairlines. Somewhere along the line, the media decided to call this chirping. Now they and social media participants seem to want to profess shock at some of the things that are said and what crosses the line.

I would have loved to be near enough to listen to exchanges between Kesler and Toews or those started by Brad Marchand, Kevin Bieksa, Patrick Sharp, Shaw or Burrows inside their own dressing room or on the ice.

Longtime lurker, first time poster.

I wonder how many of the outraged actually read the entire report. I would suggest to everyone that they read the report two or three times. John Doe's story, as relayed by others, is all over the map. What is obvious is that the facts were not known and many are still unknown. Also, statements in the report should be put into better context. If things are "cloudy" for John Doe now, just imagine how cloudy they must be for everyone else then and now.

By the way, does it bother anyone that the woman's story aligns much more with Aldrich's story than John Doe's? So all three people (a woman, Aldrich, and John Doe) are playing strip poker. All are naked and engaging in oral sex. She leaves, leaving John Doe and Aldrich alone. You stay? Huh? Does it make you scratch your head that a player would rather hang out with a video coach watching porn than hang out with his teammates? For your information, John Doe is 6'-3" and 230 pounds and the video coach is 5'-6" and 130 pounds.

To claim that "they should have done something immediately" because a person heard, may have heard, or overheard some rumor, is asinine.

The lesson here is the your first line of defense is you. Be clear and vocal and be your own best advocate. Don't hang out with creeps. Don't get naked and watch porn with gay guys, if you want to be left alone.

Worth remembering we're expecting many people who came up through this toxic environment - Kane for one - to behave appropriately in this type of situation. Like it or not, someone who had those experiences could very well shutdown and tune out anything happening that takes them back to their own trauma. We just don't know what each individual's experiences have been.

The whole sport needs some serious housecleaning to break the cycle and get rid of the toxicity.

https://www.si.com/hockey...use-and-a-deviant-culture
- pdx2ord

Totally agree. Everyone, including front office types, deserves that type of empathy.

Ian Mitchell reassigned to the Hogs. Isaak Phillips recalled to the Hawks.

I don't think you need to preface anything about verbal exchanges being right or wrong. As you mention, the reality is that in competitive sports, especially team sports, horrendous things are frequently spoken between competitors, even teammates. Nothing is out of bounds - mothers, wives, girlfriends, sexual persuasion, ancestry, religious beliefs, skin colour, hairlines. Somewhere along the line, the media decided to call this chirping. Now they and social media participants seem to want to profess shock at some of the things that are said and what crosses the line.

I would have loved to be near enough to listen to exchanges between Kesler and Toews or those started by Brad Marchand, Kevin Bieksa, Patrick Sharp, Shaw or Burrows inside their own dressing room or on the ice.
- RickJ

Great post, being a religious minority, and not looking like that typical minority, you wouldn't believe what I heard in the locker room (forget about in general life) that was just downright hurtful. The upside to that was I really knew the true feelings of my teammates and just didn't socialize with them. But I do believe it still affected my performance. I could see why Beech's performance suffered (looked lazy, etc.) because he probably figured he had a snowballs chance of ever making the team with the coaching staff/front office.

Ian Mitchell reassigned to the Hogs. Isaak Phillips recalled to the Hawks.
- Theo Fox

Just saw that Phillips is the first ever Jamaican national hockey player to ever play in the NHL? Pretty damn cool

Just saw that Phillips is the first ever Jamaican national hockey player to ever play in the NHL? Pretty damn cool
- pdx2ord

Did Mitchell look that bad (of course anyone is going to look bad paired with Gus), or is this to get him more reps at Rockford. Interesting Phillips was recalled ahead of Beaudin or Galvis? Or are the Hawks looking for more size at the back end.

A question the journalists talking to those involved should be asking:

@markscheig

Torts on ESPN says about the Blackhawks decision makers: "If this was your 20-year old kid, would your decision have been different?"

I read the full report, truly disgusting how McDonough handled this, which is to say he didn’t.

McDonough just watched as this kid got ruined.

Not saying he would have made the NHL, however they certainly didn’t help / support him.

We’re talking about a former #11 overall pick here….the Tom Wilson type I read on this board folks pine for.

Cast to the side for image / ego / MONEY.

Absolutely despicable.

I’ll ask again, is that POS McDonough criminally liable for his actions/ inactions?

I hope so.

Exhale.

Longtime lurker, first time poster.

I wonder how many of the outraged actually read the entire report. I would suggest to everyone that they read the report two or three times. John Doe's story, as relayed by others, is all over the map. What is obvious is that the facts were not known and many are still unknown. Also, statements in the report should be put into better context. If things are "cloudy" for John Doe now, just imagine how cloudy they must be for everyone else then and now.

By the way, does it bother anyone that the woman's story aligns much more with Aldrich's story than John Doe's? So all three people (a woman, Aldrich, and John Doe) are playing strip poker. All are naked and engaging in oral sex. She leaves, leaving John Doe and Aldrich alone. You stay? Huh? Does it make you scratch your head that a player would rather hang out with a video coach watching porn than hang out with his teammates? For your information, John Doe is 6'-3" and 230 pounds and the video coach is 5'-6" and 130 pounds.

To claim that "they should have done something immediately" because a person heard, may have heard, or overheard some rumor, is asinine.

The lesson here is the your first line of defense is you. Be clear and vocal and be your own best advocate. Don't hang out with creeps. Don't get naked and watch porn with gay guys, if you want to be left alone.
- Harold Washington

Well with that hot take hopefully it’s your first and last time.

What time does Bettmen and Q sit down for tea and crumpets?

What time does Bettmen and Q sit down for tea and crumpets?
- LAHawk

No time published - some time today

Doubt we will hear anything unless or until the Panthers decide what to do

What time does Bettmen and Q sit down for tea and crumpets?
- LAHawk

I stand corrected - it was scheduled for 2 ET today

I read the full report, truly disgusting how McDonough handled this, which is to say he didn’t.

McDonough just watched as this kid got ruined.

Not saying he would have made the NHL, however they certainly didn’t help / support him.

We’re talking about a former #11 overall pick here….the Tom Wilson type I read on this board folks pine for.

Cast to the side for image / ego / MONEY.

Absolutely despicable.

I’ll ask again, is that POS McDonough criminally liable for his actions/ inactions?

I hope so.

Exhale.
- mike7076

McDonough did handle it. But not very well. Interesting article on SI about hazing. Happens all the time in all sports. Sad, in the end. it is bad, some kids can handle it and some cannot. It is kind of an initiation, supposedly brings the team together. But overall, it is wrong and i am not condoning it. If memory serves well, Kyle was a hot head and had talent, but never flourished. And did have a party type persona (not confirmed but got the impression). He was 20 (a grown up), and got in a bad situation and did not know how to handle it. That drunken night got out of control. Whose fault? Still Aldrichs. But again this meeting was on the night of going to the cup for the first time in 50 years. Wow. Lots going on. But to say all these guys are at fault? hmmmmmm. Who was Aldrich's boss? Coach Q or Stan? But with Aldrich's name on the cup, that means it was not handled. Very SAD!!!!!!!!

Great post, being a religious minority, and not looking like that typical minority, you wouldn't believe what I heard in the locker room (forget about in general life) that was just downright hurtful. The upside to that was I really knew the true feelings of my teammates and just didn't socialize with them. But I do believe it still affected my performance. I could see why Beech's performance suffered (looked lazy, etc.) because he probably figured he had a snowballs chance of ever making the team with the coaching staff/front office.
- LAHawk

That's the thing, jock talk is frequently passed off as locker room humor but for the targets of the nasty verbiage it can be very painful and tough to forgive and forget.
And with that, how does anybody go to their workplace and do their best work.

I'm only guessing here, but Kyle Beach is probably the recipient of far less sympathy and empathy from his hockey playing brethren than the general public. The boys will say the right things in front of a camera or microphone but most of them could care less.

Well with that hot take hopefully it’s your first and last time.
- ObeseOprah

yo, dude. Harold Washington has a valid point. Keep an open mind. He should never have been out drinking and indulging in sexual activities during a run for the Stanley Cup. He really could play in a game, it is a possibility. But mostly stuff got out of control and he was like, what the F just happened. He made a poor decision. Where is his accountability? That is the problem with the society these days. And to be clear: What Aldrich did was wrong and what management did was wrong by not handling it immediately.

yo, dude. Harold Washington was a valid point. Keep an open mind. He should never have been out drinking and indulging in sexual activities during a run for the Stanley Cup. He really could play in a game, it is a possibility. But mostly stuff got out of control and he was like, what the F just happened. He made a poor decision. Where is his accountability? That is the problem with the society these days. And to be clear: What Aldrich did was wrong and what management did was wrong by not handling it immediately.
- Topshelf2010

So players do not drink or have sex during the playoffs?

Longtime lurker, first time poster.

I wonder how many of the outraged actually read the entire report. I would suggest to everyone that they read the report two or three times. John Doe's story, as relayed by others, is all over the map. What is obvious is that the facts were not known and many are still unknown. Also, statements in the report should be put into better context. If things are "cloudy" for John Doe now, just imagine how cloudy they must be for everyone else then and now.

By the way, does it bother anyone that the woman's story aligns much more with Aldrich's story than John Doe's? So all three people (a woman, Aldrich, and John Doe) are playing strip poker. All are naked and engaging in oral sex. She leaves, leaving John Doe and Aldrich alone. You stay? Huh? Does it make you scratch your head that a player would rather hang out with a video coach watching porn than hang out with his teammates? For your information, John Doe is 6'-3" and 230 pounds and the video coach is 5'-6" and 130 pounds.

To claim that "they should have done something immediately" because a person heard, may have heard, or overheard some rumor, is asinine.

The lesson here is the your first line of defense is you. Be clear and vocal and be your own best advocate. Don't hang out with creeps. Don't get naked and watch porn with gay guys, if you want to be left alone.
- Harold Washington

Keep in mind, the coach made it abundantly clear that he held his fate in this his hands:

“You can’t tell anyone about this; it is our little secret; no one can find out or I will make sure you never play in the NHL.”"

Aldrich threatened John Doe by telling John Doe he needed to act like he enjoyed the sexual encounter or John Doe would never play in the NHL

Black Ace 1 recalled Aldrich stating that he “could bury us” in the Blackhawks organization and make sure “you could never play” by saying “not nice things about us.”

He was also a kid that had been in juniors since he was 15. The coaches were his defacto parents and the ones he trusted. Aldrich is a predator that took advantage of the situation.