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AxlRose91
Joined: 09.24.2013

Oct 28 @ 10:19 AM ET
The comments from the players were predictable and gross. Kane is such a scumbag. Of course he denies everything

And then Chicago’s good guy, Captain Serious, exposes Kane’s lie and admits that he knew all about it

Everyone knew about it. They didn’t want to disrupt their run so they collectively buried it

Disgusting, and hopefully the league actually does something now
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Oct 28 @ 10:20 AM ET
Patrick Kane is no longer listed on the Roster section of the Blackhawks web page.

via GIPHY


- DarthKane


Capfriendly has him listed as non-roster. Covid protocol players are listed here
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Oct 28 @ 10:20 AM ET
From the last blog:

He's also probably the only one in the joint who actually did what the manual told him to do. McD and Gary took active steps to injure and shame Beach. We can agree to disagree about whether Stan should have done more, but to equate his actions with those of McD, Gary, Q and the players who hazed him is wrong, imo. Those guys all actively participated in hurting Beach; Stan's sin was not going to Rocky.
- mohel


I actually agree with Mohel here. From the report it sure seems like Q, Chevy, McD, Gary, etc. all seemed like they thought they could just muddy the waters on how much they knew, or if they knew at all, and this would all be so vague it would go away.

Stan kind of blew that all up on them by dropping names and details about the meeting.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Oct 28 @ 10:20 AM ET
Patrick Kane is no longer listed on the Roster section of the Blackhawks web page.

via GIPHY


- DarthKane

I don’t think any of the Covid-protocolled are on the listed roster.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Oct 28 @ 10:26 AM ET
I think there was enough cover in the report for Bowman and/or MacIsaac to survive this had the Wirtz family desired that outcome. They could have released the report late on a Friday afternoon and crucified the (somewhat) recently dismissed McD for his handling of the matter in the press. I suspect that if the team was 5-0-1 with the recent acquisitions looking strong we may be having a different conversation. Easier to do the right thing and clean house when the on ice product sucks.

Davewn

Dave, I agree with you but this is not just about the Blackhawks, it is about Wirtz Corp. Rocky actually effed up, and I think he is covering his basis with the family. First, although Rocky is chairman of Wirtz Corp., he only owns 5 % of the Corporation through the family tree. Second, Rocky and his family members as recently as 2015 were fighting with the family members saying Rocky is withholding financial info from them. That being said, the BOD of Wirtz is only family members, Rocky represents the Blackhawks on the board. He has a lot to answer to the other family members on this, not only does it stain the family, but could creep its way into the other businesses.

What Rocky is saying to Bowman/MacIsaac specifically, but to the 3,000 other employess of the Corporation, is that it is a Wirtz that runs the business, not some appointed outsider, no matter how high up and if you believe that the head of the division does not do the proper thing, you better let a Wirtz know.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Oct 28 @ 10:39 AM ET
You're right - it's only sometimes that happens for the person who experienced the trauma, I'm deleting that paragraph
- pdx2ord


I just meant that as a general comment. I believe Beach, personally. All the parties, including front office types and players, likely have legitimately faulty memories after 11 years.
TJYTJY
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.23.2017

Oct 28 @ 10:39 AM ET
It doesn't matter anymore, all that matters now is its out in the open and even the suppressors can begin the healing. This was a terrible thing that happened and i give a ton of credit for them sharing the report with the public, that couldn't of been an easy thing to do either, but i believe in the saying, the truth will set you free, so i hope there's a lot of healing for everyone involved, and Aldrich never works around influential young men ever again.
- BetweenTheDots



Great post, I agree but it sure would be nice to see him squirm through an interview.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Oct 28 @ 10:40 AM ET
Well, if anything Q is consistent. Obviously not the least bit remorseful:

Quenneville in 2010 "we're in the middle of a playoff run here, I will deal with this annoyance later
Quenneville in 2021 "we're into the regular season now, I will (coach tonight) and deal with this annoyance later
Why is he coaching tonight? Why are he and Cheveldayoff not suspended by the NHL until their "talks" with Gary take place?

The more things change the more they stay the same

I also think they should take Aldrich's name off the cup and put Beech's on.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Oct 28 @ 10:42 AM ET
From the last blog:



I actually agree with Mohel here. From the report it sure seems like Q, Chevy, McD, Gary, etc. all seemed like they thought they could just muddy the waters on how much they knew, or if they knew at all, and this would all be so vague it would go away.

Stan kind of blew that all up on them by dropping names and details about the meeting.

- BINGO!


More like Stan was covering his ass.

He finally did the right thing, resigned

LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Oct 28 @ 10:53 AM ET
More like Stan was covering his ass.

He finally did the right thing, resigned

- BetweenTheDots


Probably Stan should have resigned but is the only one who appears to have told the truth on the Blackhawks side. Everybody else (INCLUDING Q, Toews, Kane, Keith) are obfuscating. Toews comments last night are revolting, just like Q's. Well it might have been in the back of my mind, but who cares, we have a cup to win.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Oct 28 @ 10:55 AM ET
More like Stan was covering his ass.

He finally did the right thing, resigned

- BetweenTheDots


It's funny you mention "doing the right thing". Months ago you wanted to jab paul and I during a disagreement, so you called us boyfriends. It was not that you thought it was true; it was that you were making fun of us for that. You were called out on it, but refused to acknowledge that it was in poor taste.

And here you are, all high end mighty, preaching about what others should have done to shake the tree. Others who were not the perp or designated as the employee responsible for starting the investigation. You are a phony.
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Oct 28 @ 11:06 AM ET
Here’s my $0.02 on how it should have been handled, unfortunately I have terminated some long term employees in my career. Once the incident is reported, you cannot assume that the predator is guilty.
1. You send the accused home, cannot report to work until notified.
2. You prioritize the investigation, with a target of said investigation to be completed within 72 hours.
3. If accused is found guilty after investigation, accused is asked to report to management.
4. Once accused reports, you inform him of investigation results and inform him of employment termination.
5. Security follows him to collect personal belongings and walks him off premises.
6. NHL, NHLPA, and police are notified of results of investigation.
7. Victim is sent to counseling and management should follow up every couple of days with victim.
If the investigation would have been completed in a timely manner, management would have determined that it was not actually harassment, but assault.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Oct 28 @ 11:10 AM ET
It's funny you mention "doing the right thing". Months ago you wanted to jab paul and I during a disagreement, so you called us boyfriends. It was not that you thought it was true; it was that you were making fun of us for that. You were called out on it, but refused to acknowledge that it was in poor taste.

And here you are, all high end mighty, preaching about what others should have done to shake the tree. Others who were not the perp or designated as the employee responsible for starting the investigation. You are a phony.

- mohel


Sure whatever you say, the one that never posts hockey related material. And defends a guy who did nothing to protect a hockey player.

How broken are you
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Oct 28 @ 11:11 AM ET
Here’s my $0.02 on how it should have been handled, unfortunately I have terminated some long term employees in my career. Once the incident is reported, you cannot assume that the predator is guilty.
1. You send the accused home, cannot report to work until notified.
2. You prioritize the investigation, with a target of said investigation to be completed within 72 hours.
3. If accused is found guilty after investigation, accused is asked to report to management.
4. Once accused reports, you inform him of investigation results and inform him of employment termination.
5. Security follows him to collect personal belongings and walks him off premises.
6. NHL, NHLPA, and police are notified of results of investigation.
7. Victim is sent to counseling and management should follow up every couple of days with victim.
If the investigation would have been completed in a timely manner, management would have determined that it was not actually harassment, but assault.

- Angotti


Good post, Lou.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Oct 28 @ 11:12 AM ET


While I do believe the biggest scumbags in that room were Q and McDonught and Stan was a young inexperienced executive at the time so I am sure it was very intimidating to challenge McCub or Mustache, Stan had a chance to be a great man and stand up for what was right and he failed. YES, I think of all the men in that room he harbors the "least" amount of responsibility, but he said nothing and played in a cover up for 10 years before finally, for whatever reason, appearing to finally come clean.

Stan's apology was also akin to the players, bloviating hot air, passing the buck basically. In his mind maybe he thought "I did enough" by reporting it, but he WAS the GM and he said nothing while the sexual predator was prancing around the ice with the Stanley Cup.

So while this guy or that guy is probably "more responsible" the fact is Bowman could have changed the outcome, all the men in that room could have. None did, they all suck.
ObeseOprah
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.17.2014

Oct 28 @ 11:12 AM ET
Here’s my $0.02 on how it should have been handled, unfortunately I have terminated some long term employees in my career. Once the incident is reported, you cannot assume that the predator is guilty.
1. You send the accused home, cannot report to work until notified.
2. You prioritize the investigation, with a target of said investigation to be completed within 72 hours.
3. If accused is found guilty after investigation, accused is asked to report to management.
4. Once accused reports, you inform him of investigation results and inform him of employment termination.
5. Security follows him to collect personal belongings and walks him off premises.
6. NHL, NHLPA, and police are notified of results of investigation.
7. Victim is sent to counseling and management should follow up every couple of days with victim.
If the investigation would have been completed in a timely manner, management would have determined that it was not actually harassment, but assault.

- Angotti


This makes far too much sense for the Hawks or NHL. I think another mariachi band and soccer announcer at a game should patch this whole thing up :/
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Oct 28 @ 11:13 AM ET
Sure whatever you say, the one that never posts hockey related material. And defends a guy who did nothing to protect a hockey player.

How broken are you

- BetweenTheDots


Nice deflection.

#GlassHouses.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Oct 28 @ 11:14 AM ET
Good post, Lou.
- mohel


Great post Lou. If Stan would of walked into human resources a day or 2 later, and said did John tell you about Beech's complaint about Aldrich, this probably would of never got to where we are today.
Popsghostly
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 08.11.2017

Oct 28 @ 11:14 AM ET
This makes far too much sense for the Hawks or NHL. I think another mariachi band and soccer announcer at a game should patch this whole thing up :/
- ObeseOprah


They did sound quite good though.

My question is, how did some end up with those bobbleheads? They weren't handing them out when I got in.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Oct 28 @ 11:14 AM ET
And its cringe worthy how the us Olympics can pick these enablers out.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Oct 28 @ 11:15 AM ET
This makes far too much sense for the Hawks or NHL. I think another mariachi band and soccer announcer at a game should patch this whole thing up :/
- ObeseOprah


Mariachi band....made me laugh.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Oct 28 @ 11:20 AM ET
Another thing very worrisome for me is the idea that Q pushed to not react because of "Team Chemistry". This narrative bothers me because I think it points the players in a negative light.

For instance, lets say NONE of the players knew this video coach was doing these things. Then all of a sudden out of nowhere they find out that Coach Brad has been dismissed of his duties. No need to say why, just prosecute him after the season, whatever, but get rid of him. WHY would this hurt chemistry? WHY?

"Hey boys, Coach Brad is gone, lets get ready for the game". WHY would firing a video coach mess with Team Chemistry?

The ONLY reason I can think of is that the players DID know and there was likely various degree of responses to the episode. Responses ranging from outright harassment of Kyle by some players, to ambivalence, to disgust. Had this issue "come to head" for a team who all players were "in the know", there is no question that probably does ruin team chemistry.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Oct 28 @ 11:27 AM ET
Another thing very worrisome for me is the idea that Q pushed to not react because of "Team Chemistry". This narrative bothers me because I think it points the players in a negative light.

For instance, lets say NONE of the players knew this video coach was doing these things. Then all of a sudden out of nowhere they find out that Coach Brad has been dismissed of his duties. No need to say why, just prosecute him after the season, whatever, but get rid of him. WHY would this hurt chemistry? WHY?

"Hey boys, Coach Brad is gone, lets get ready for the game". WHY would firing a video coach mess with Team Chemistry?

The ONLY reason I can think of is that the players DID know and there was likely various degree of responses to the episode. Responses ranging from outright harassment of Kyle by some players, to ambivalence, to disgust. Had this issue "come to head" for a team who all players were "in the know", there is no question that probably does ruin team chemistry.

- kwolf68


I wonder if Aldrich said something to the other players to protect himself. like Hey Patty, Beech came on to me last night. No excuse for the bullying He still contends it was consensual.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Oct 28 @ 11:31 AM ET
Here’s my $0.02 on how it should have been handled, unfortunately I have terminated some long term employees in my career. Once the incident is reported, you cannot assume that the predator is guilty.
1. You send the accused home, cannot report to work until notified.
2. You prioritize the investigation, with a target of said investigation to be completed within 72 hours.
3. If accused is found guilty after investigation, accused is asked to report to management.
4. Once accused reports, you inform him of investigation results and inform him of employment termination.
5. Security follows him to collect personal belongings and walks him off premises.
6. NHL, NHLPA, and police are notified of results of investigation.
7. Victim is sent to counseling and management should follow up every couple of days with victim.
If the investigation would have been completed in a timely manner, management would have determined that it was not actually harassment, but assault.

- Angotti


Great post Lou and I think it's one of the bigger issues with this whole mess. Leaves you wondering if the investigation had been done in a timely fashion or if there actually had been an invetigation done at the time, the team could have potentially gotten Beech the counseling and help he needed as a 20 year old vs much later in life.
KINGS67
Season Ticket Holder
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Rolling Hills Estates, CA
Joined: 01.29.2010

Oct 28 @ 11:40 AM ET
Garbage organization!

Toews is a POS coward that needs to be stripped of the captaincy

Kane will continue to also be a scumbag human being.

Kieth is a coward too.

All the meaningless players in between are scumbags too.

Anyone who says otherwise is a garbage human being.
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