Tried to stay away from this subject, but this point I'm going to comment on.

You stop and think about this, and you have to ask yourself why the Media isn't there parked out in front of his house.

Does it not seem odd that the one person who is most responsible, the one person who really should be facing the brunt of this, is the one person the media is kind of laying off?

Blame Stan, blame Q, blame the 19 and 20 yr old Kane and Toews (the last two are ridiculous to blame, btw)

There's a reason they are not out in front of his house, or chasing him in and out of the grocery store, like they would anyone else, ask yourself why would that be?


- vabeachbear

Are you asking or do you think you have a reason why they don’t?

And any blame directed at the players, including Toews and Kane could be because of the reported homophobic slurs directed at Beach by some players.

Okay, so several players called him names in camp, according to Beach. Even though none of the players interviewed heard anything, lets say he is telling the truth. It's training camp, and there were 47 players that year. That's more than twice the normal roster size. And you have coaches and team personnel constantly evaluating, coaching and judging the players. Let's not forget the video cameras running constantly by the coaching staff for the on-ice evaluations.

With nobody admitting to have heard anything - and with the number of players/coaches around, it must have been done in very opportune and/or hushed circumstances.

So let's talk context. My response was to another poster claiming that Toews was a piece of poop because this happened under his watch and he is a bad leader, etc... Going back to the assumption that these horrible things were said, it is also possible that maybe Toews spent little or no time in close proximity to Beach, or players wouldn't say something while Toews was close to Beach, or even maybe even Toews did hear something and stood up for Beach?

The poster assumed that Beach was on the team the whole time with Toews, and that all the bullying happened under his watch. Yet there are no witnesses (or Beach himself) that claim that Toews participated in the bullying or ignored the bullying.

So, I'm not wrong.
- Tanuki

Nobody admitting? It seems Nick Boynton and Brent Sopel are corroborating Beach’s story.

Are you asking or do you think you have a reason why they don’t?

And any blame directed at the players, including Toews and Kane could be because of the reported homophobic slurs directed at Beach by some players.
- paulr

There's always a reason.

Think about how big this is, you hear his named mentioned, but not anything like others.

Someone, or some group of someone's are covering for him, Why?

After Stan's press release, they should be going full throttle at him, he should be front and center, he is not, and he is not being held anywhere near as accountable as anyone else.

Why isn't that crack reporter Zawaski out in his driveway getting an interview. Where's his lap dog Rosner? Is that social justice warrior and lecturer of all things good Lazerus camped in his front yard...........NO

Media is embarrassing, especially the Hawks reporters.

So Nick Boynton and Brent Sopel knew at the time and did nothing ?

Are you asking or do you think you have a reason why they don’t?

And any blame directed at the players, including Toews and Kane could be because of the reported homophobic slurs directed at Beach by some players.
- paulr

I don’t think it’s a matter of blame, I think it’s a question of whether or not these players are actually “ good guys” and worthy of whatever hero worship has been bestowed upon them.
I would venture to guess, most people in the players shoes ( assuming they were more aware than they are letting on) would NOT have done anything differently. Doing the right thing is hard in this situation and apparently, still is.

Revised marketing slogan for 2010: We Sold Our Souls for Our One Goal

So Nick Boynton and Brent Sopel knew at the time and did nothing ?
- stutzblackhawks

That's what gets me..... 11 years later they are both talking bout everyone knew....
WTF...

So Nick Boynton and Brent Sopel knew at the time and did nothing ?
- stutzblackhawks

They are just as bad as everyone else who is taking the blame. They are in no way the good guys in this.

[quote=HonkyTonkMan]

Except they didn't

From the report - pages 52 & 53

Nick Boynton stated in his interview and publicly that during the
2010 playoffs, numerous Blackhawks players asked him what happened
regarding Aldrich. We pressed Sopel and Boynton for details regarding
which conversations, and with whom, led them to believe that “everyone”
knew about Aldrich engaging in inappropriate conduct with players.
Neither Boynton nor Sopel could provide many details.

Interviews of players from the 2010 Blackhawks’ roster contradicted the claims that
“everyone” knew—of the 14 players on the 2010 roster whom we interviewed,
6 players told us they had no knowledge of inappropriate conduct by Aldrich
in 2010, and 6 players told us they only learned about inappropriate conduct
through rumors after Aldrich separated from the Blackhawks in June 2010.
Two players—Sopel and Boynton—stated that they heard about inappropriate conduct by Aldrich before he separated from the team.

So, "Everybody knew" is just Sopel and Boynton. Boynton heard Aldrich say something to two other players and he told Vincent. Vincent investigated escalated the issue to management. Now, this is the important part - there is nothing in the report that claims that either Sopel or Boynton knew of Beach's assault. They just knew Aldrich was a creep, and three weeks later Aldrich was off the team. A week after that, Sopel is traded away.

Boynton - Who played 7 regular season games that year and 3 playoff games. A player who was on the team for two only months, yet somehow knew what everyone else knew. Impressive.

Maybe I missed it, but did they fire the woman from HR who approved Aldrich getting his day with the Cup and attending the parade?

They are just as bad as everyone else who is taking the blame. They are in no way the good guys in this.
- powerenforcer

Hey Power,

Boynton heard Aldrich offer favors to two other players. Boynton reported this to Vincent. Vincent investigated, found out about Beach and went to management. All of this happened within a week of the assault.

Boynton did the right thing. Vincent did the right thing. Remember, within a month of the assault, Aldrich was off the team.

This certainly has been a terrible couple of days for everyone involved. The punishments are well-earned and well-deserved.

Starting with Rocky Wirtz, who let McDonough create a corporate culture that would allow and encourage situations like this. Wirtz game him the keys to the kingdom, liked the financial rewards, and ignored the rest. Ownership is very much responsible for what happened, and should be punished with much more than a fine representing one day’s ticket sales.

Of the front office people involved in the meeting, two (McDonough and the mental skills coach) are bad people who unfortunately seem to have escaped punishment.

I don’t think the Bowman, Quenneville, Chevaldayev, or MacIsaac are bad people - they failed to do what should have been required by their positions, and certainly was required as people in positions of responsibility. I can say I’m very glad that they have all will be released from their positions while also feeling sad about it. Again, I don’t think they’re bad people - but they didn’t do what they could have and should have done to take care of a young man who trusted them to rake his accusations seriously.

I will not gloat or express vitriole about their fate, just saying that it was deserved.

This has probably been a mixed couple of days for Kyle Beach - having to relive the events of 11 years ago, but also getting some vindication. He was certainty the person who has been punished the most through this, having to live with the memory of what happened, knowing that he ultimately wasn’t taken seriously enough by people he trusted, knowing that Aldrich had a summer of celebration unpunished, living with that for the last 11 years. But now it’s all out there, he is justly being praised for his courage….Hopefully he can now move on.
- StLBravesFan

Great post Sage. Kind of summarizes where I'm at. Hopefully Mrs. Sage is still healing nicely. When her sutures are good, any chance you create a GIF of her spitting her morning coffee out after you've told her your board nickname?

Maybe I missed it, but did they fire the woman from HR who approved Aldrich getting his day with the Cup and attending the parade?
- scottak

She was dismissed awhile ago, I think the same time as McDonough

Andrew Ladd, on the team in 2010, is on the record that he didn't know.

"With regard to the incident, I cooperated with the investigation. I had no knowledge of what happened to Kyle during my time with the Blackhawks. I realize it's within reason to think that all the players may have known but I can assure you I was never informed or overheard any discussions about the incident during the playoffs that year."

This 'everyone knew' is a false narrative.

Interesting question.

I'd also wonder what any "embedded" Hawk beat reporters knew or heard at the time. Or in training camp the next year.
- mohel

Or foley or Eddie o. Or Wirtz. How far do we want this to go? If the rumors were that open does anyone think an “off the record” story didn’t come out about beach at some point? Or Wirtz did not hear about it?

Selective blame needs to end.

There's always a reason.

Think about how big this is, you hear his named mentioned, but not anything like others.

Someone, or some group of someone's are covering for him, Why?

After Stan's press release, they should be going full throttle at him, he should be front and center, he is not, and he is not being held anywhere near as accountable as anyone else.

Why isn't that crack reporter Zawaski out in his driveway getting an interview. Where's his lap dog Rosner? Is that social justice warrior and lecturer of all things good Lazerus camped in his front yard...........NO

Media is embarrassing, especially the Hawks reporters.
- vabeachbear

Well Ricco, Rocky is a significant investor in the Sun-Times

She was dismissed awhile ago, I think the same time as McDonough
- LAHawk

Her, employee A, I think the intern.

And let’s not forget there is black ace 1 who seems to have experienced something that even his confidant thought was serious enough to blow the whistle.

Think Rick J said it and I believe it…..lot more here that we will likely never know.

There's always a reason.

Think about how big this is, you hear his named mentioned, but not anything like others.

Someone, or some group of someone's are covering for him, Why?

After Stan's press release, they should be going full throttle at him, he should be front and center, he is not, and he is not being held anywhere near as accountable as anyone else.

Why isn't that crack reporter Zawaski out in his driveway getting an interview. Where's his lap dog Rosner? Is that social justice warrior and lecturer of all things good Lazerus camped in his front yard...........NO

Media is embarrassing, especially the Hawks reporters.
- vabeachbear

Well, let’s see:

1. Why would any journalist be protecting McDonough now? He has no power, no influence, no ability to help (or hurt) any reporter.

2. McDonough has been gone for over a year. The story this week was the report, the terminations of Bowman, Quenneville, MacIsaac, Chevaldyev; and the reveal of Kyle Beach as John Doe. That’s who the reporters have been concentrating on.

3. Unless you think that McDonough is like Senator Keeley in “Birdcage”, climbing out of his window to try to avoid the press, what good would being “camped in his front yard” do? If he’s even still there, he ain’t coming out.

Conspiracy theories fall apart when logic and rational thought enter. Doncha think?

Well Ricco, Rocky is a significant investor in the Sun-Times
- LAHawk

Other thing to ask….how does the highschool in his own town their detectives here about the rumors in 2013 and press hr head who says she’ll cooperate with a subpoena but media doesn’t? The owner isn’t alerted at that time?

Wirtz being protected like synder in the nfl report is comical. Protect your own and nuke their minions.

Great post Sage. Kind of summarizes where I'm at. Hopefully Mrs. Sage is still healing nicely. When her sutures are good, any chance you create a GIF of her spitting her morning coffee out after you've told her your board nickname?
- HawkintheD

I’ll see what I can do….

Anyone seen a statement from Q? I can't locate one if he has made one.

Tried to stay away from this subject, but this point I'm going to comment on.

You stop and think about this, and you have to ask yourself why the Media isn't there parked out in front of his house.

Does it not seem odd that the one person who is most responsible, the one person who really should be facing the brunt of this, is the one person the media is kind of laying off?

Blame Stan, blame Q, blame the 19 and 20 yr old Kane and Toews (the last two are ridiculous to blame, btw)

There's a reason they are not out in front of his house, or chasing him in and out of the grocery store, like they would anyone else, ask yourself why would that be?


- vabeachbear

That's why i said earlier, I wonder if McD may be writing a book about this?

Anyone seen a statement from Q? I can't locate one if he has made one.
- LAHawk

https://twitter.com/repor.../1453901831646720002?s=01

Keith and Toews will not be on the Canadian Olympic Team, not good enough anymore, does USA hockey let Kane play?

And what happens to the players on the team that are now broadcasters (Sharp, Burrish, Versteeg)

Did Crow know anything? (he was a Black Ace that year also)

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1453901831646720002?s=01
- BetweenTheDots

Solid statement from Coach Q.