Some people wonder why a tough hockey player didn't just smoke Aldrich. It's because the quickest way to get buried is to make waves. The kid was afraid for his job.

And then you have this meeting with all these guys who are big shots in one way or another being told about this situation by a retired cop. And the CEO says ok, you can go and I'll handle it. And when he didn't why did nobody else who was in that room go over his head? They were afraid for their jobs. Why? McD had the hammer. They watched McD blow out a hall of fame legend in Chicago who was coaching at the time. So yup, they were afraid to go over McD's head. And anyone who believes that Scotty training camp story as the reason for the timing of the firing I have a bridge to sell you.
- 6628

I mean that IS the problem. Guys put their own careers ahead of the victim. It is no different then someone saying hey here is 5 million don't tell anyone that I raped someone.

I have a duty as an attorney to report my boss to the ARDC if he is doing something unethical. I wouldn't bury my head in the sand and pretend there was nothing wrong.

It is not like any of these guys were hurting for money either. They weren't choosing between putting food on the table for their kids and being ethical human beings.

IIRC it was the case of John Doe II (the HS student) being filed that prompted John Doe I to come forward in support and solidarity with his own.
- pdx2ord

Okay. My apologies then. I was thinking that the Hockey guy went after this case. I think the hawks still have a lot of in house cleaning to do including dismissing colliton. I just don't think he is the right guy for the job. Maybe reassign him to the minors and give the reins to crawford or derek king or hire someone outside the org to take this team back to the top. There is no reason this team should be this bad. They have a ton of talent, and I was expecting better results from them from the start especially when you have as many good players as the hawks do, and the improved goalie and defense but it just seems Colliton is pushing something on to the players they can't get a grasp of and it's leading to poor execution, poor passes, poor shooting, and guys being out of position. I miss when Kane would take the puck up the ice and deke through the whole team and put one in the net on his own, or some of the amazing passes across the ice to a one timer into the back of the net, I just don't see any of this and it has to be that the way Colliton is handling the team and not prepared for the show. This team is just absolutely lost on the ice, and has no direction, and until someone comes in and lets the guys play the game they know and love its going to be poor execution night after night and lost of lopsided losses. This team has so much talent to be at the top of the standings, but the team has zero chemistry with Collitons decisions on playing the game.

I am way late to this party, and I hardly ever post anymore (1, maybe 2 times since 2014-15 probably). But I read the whole report last night, and among many things that I thought about, what you point to was one of them. It's pretty rich of Boynton and Sopel to be criticizing (presumably) their teammates ("everybody knew") for doing nothing when they (Sopel and Boynton) did nothing themselves. I suspect that they're probably correct that a good number of the "everybody" did, in fact, know.

It's striking how surprised so many seem to be that this all got covered up and how easy some seem to think it would have been to "do the right thing." All of us certainly hope we would have acted properly were we in Q's shoes or Bowman's or the various players, to be sure.... But I'd be pretty careful before speaking so flippantly and self-confidently. There was a lot of money and the Cup at stake. Do you really think you would have been marching into McDonough's office and giving him what for? Or going to Wirtz? Or to Bettman?

I have lots of experience in organizations at the management level--in the military and at UPS, plus lots of years teaching in academia--and you know what, people are weak, fearful, and/or self-interested more often than not in these kinds of situations. And for everyone of these incidents that is now before the public, there are lots more that don't see the light of day.

I deeply wish they would have dealt with the creep Aldrich right away. But they didn't, and the fact that he wasn't dismissed immediately should not be terribly surprising. There was a Cup to win, and the player was a relative nobody--easy to understand why Q shrugged it off. But now the whole thing has been exposed....

I also have some experience--unfortunately--both with a family member and students under my direction having been groomed by predators like Aldrich. It is indeed a sad situation, but not because our favorite hockey team, players, and coach have been caught up in this. No, more so because it is one more piece of emblematic evidence that we live in a decadent society that seems to be getting worse in real time. We live in a hyper-sexualized culture, and we are surprised at what went on? We live in a society that seeks glory, fame, and fortune above all else it seems, and we are surprised at what happened?
- Al Secord

Thanks for your well written post. Too bad you came back under these conditions.

I said it in other places, and other people have said it on here. Clearly the darkest day in the history of the team I have considered my favorite for my entire half century of fandom. I'm glad that Wirtz took immediate action and cleaned house after reading the report. Not sure why he let Bowman resign. I assume there is going to be a waterfall effect and anybody else connected with the 2010 team will eventually be let go. Not sure what is going to happen to Kane, Toews, Keith, and Andrew Ladd if they are found to have bullied the victim. Kane was a knucklehead back them, so it wouldn't shock me if he did.

There were a bunch of comments on this thread, and I didn't read through them all, but the fans are also going to have to deal with this issue too. Anytime we are in public wearing gear, or go to an away game, people are going to condemn us for supporting this team. I guess the only thing we can say is we can't let the actions of certain people affect the way we feel about the team. If this happened on a weekend of the circus trip, would it have been ignored? I doubt it. He would have been out on his ass immediately. I honestly don't think it would have affected the first cup run either, so they should have done something right away. It was a poor decision made by a group of people that ended up eventually affecting a minor.

It is interesting that the "afraid of losing my job" thing is seen as a valid reason for inaction on the part of the victim, but not for anyone reporting to McD.
- mohel

Maybe so, but the victim was a kid with hopes of playing a game earning high pay and was afraid to rock the boat. The boys club in the room with McD were all highly paid men afraid of losing their jobs at the politics of a dictator. Supposedly they are more mature, but those guys had just gotten those high pay gigs in the previous 1 1/2 or two years. They all had probably bought a new house and had spending habits they weren't willing to risk.

Not trying to make excuses for any of them, but McD is the first one that should have his nuts in a vise.

Rape victims often never come forward. Some it takes decades. Cosby and Weinstein victims waited decades because they were afraid. They worry that people would question their memory, WHY THEY WAITED SO LONG, or if they’re just angling for a payday. If you haven’t had your head under a rock the last four years you’d see why so many don’t come forward, it’s because of people like you. Shame on you dude.
- ObeseOprah

I was bullied and picked on all through school, and locked in timeouts at school when I was bad, and dealt with people calling me a retard and I even rode the short bus, and my parents sued the school district for damages and everything else to get me back in school because I was being told I was such a bad kid. This took a toll on me as an adult leading to my termination at a lot of companies. I recognize that he didn't deserve what happened to him, and he probably is messed up from it, but it's time people come out and stop hiding from this stuff. I am not making fun of the guy, I just have been in a situation in my own life that I had to overcome a lot of things including being told I'd never amount to anything in life, yet I found some help, talked through it publicly on facebook live videos with hundreds of people watching and I felt better afterwards because I didn't have a care in the world what people thought about me. I wanted to share my story to heal and explain how I overcame things and didn't let these things ruin me. I was diagnosed with ADHD, ADD, BD, LD, Oppositional Defiant disorder and still was bullied because I was in special classes, yet I turned out okay. I also went to a school where the teacher was a sexual predator, I fought back and tore up the classroom around me to keep him away from me. I don't believe in hiding things and feeling fear of people thinking or saying things poorly of me because at the end of the day, none of those people matter because they aren't paying my bills or arent supporting me. So to say I haven't deal with this is ridiculous, I was picked on more than anyone you know. I'd go to school and a dude would beat my ass every single day he saw me in the halls. I'd fight back but the guy just never quit. I remember him beating me with a locker pad lock in the head and I still turned out okay. I am not perfect but I am not going around blaming anyone for my mistakes as I caused a lot of my own problems for myself. But we live in a weak society of people with cancel culture and people who afraid to just man up and be heard. I am tired of the weak minded people we have in society now days, especially all the bs with the netflix stuff with Chapel. This is the society we live in and it's only going to get worse until people man up and share and tell whats on their mind.

One of his most difficult periods of his life? Are you smoking crack? The guy was a headcase from his initial draft, and you're just trying to feel sorry for him. I realize violating people sexually is not normal or a good thing, but at the end of the day, the dude is looking for a payday because his career didn't turn out the way he wanted it to. I recognize that he has feelings and emotions and is maybe going through something, but I have to believe that he was already a headcase before this suit even came up. If you read all the scouting reports on the guy when the hawks drafted him, they stated he was a headcase. So to blame this on his marriage and everything else just seems like someone who doesn't take responsibility for their own problems. Where do we draw the line and say, hey, maybe he is milking this, or maybe he was already this way before any of this.

I'm not here to knock the dude, but if you research the scouting reports you'd see that most of the issues he had were already there before this happened, so to feel sorry for him because of a failed marriage and things just seems ridiculous. That's like me blaming you for my anxiety issues you are causing thus point forward because you called me an a hole. I recognize no one should ever deal with this sort of thing and that the blackhawks were poor in handling the situation and could have done better to address and handle it, I also feel like the dude is also making up some fabrications to his story through his attorney to get paid for his career never taking off, but again, the dude had already had the odds stacked against him when he was drafted as the hawks gambled on him and he was considered a bust when we drafted him. I just find it aggravating that the dude is blaming everything in his life on this situation when he was already a headcase from the moment he was drafted. So, yes, I feel sorry for him, but I also believe that he deserves compensation but I don't necessarily agree that this situation led to all these things his lawyer is stating especially when the guy is still playing hockey. He just never made it to the NHL, and to me, that is his own fault, not because of this situation I think.
- Hawk4life

Truly one of the dumbest posts I’ve ever read since joining HB.

Truly one of the dumbest posts I’ve ever read since joining HB.
- SimpleJack

You're welcome!

Truly one of the dumbest posts I’ve ever read since joining HB.
- SimpleJack

This may not age well.....keep reading.

Maybe so, but the victim was a kid with hopes of playing a game earning high pay and was afraid to rock the boat. The boys club in the room with McD were all highly paid men afraid of losing their jobs at the politics of a dictator. Supposedly they are more mature, but those guys had just gotten those high pay gigs in the previous 1 1/2 or two years. They all had probably bought a new house and had spending habits they weren't willing to risk.

Not trying to make excuses for any of them, but McD is the first one that should have his nuts in a vise.
- 6628

and most likely the last person that ever will. So many more have and will pay the price for his mistake.

Maybe so, but the victim was a kid with hopes of playing a game earning high pay and was afraid to rock the boat. The boys club in the room with McD were all highly paid men afraid of losing their jobs at the politics of a dictator. Supposedly they are more mature, but those guys had just gotten those high pay gigs in the previous 1 1/2 or two years. They all had probably bought a new house and had spending habits they weren't willing to risk.

Not trying to make excuses for any of them, but McD is the first one that should have his nuts in a vise.
- 6628

I fully agree about McD.

I just find that it is easy to demand people play the hero, without the least bit of empathy for what they are asking the person to do. Everyone can say on the internet that so-and-so should've sacrifice themselves and their families. Few of them would've done it.

I fully agree about McD.

I just find that it is easy to demand people play the hero, without the least bit of empathy for what they are asking the person to do. Everyone can say on the internet that so-and-so should've sacrifice themselves and their families. Few of them would've done it.
- mohel

Who is sacrificing their family by reporting a predator? Stan? Any of the other high paid executives? Q?

We are not talking about some guy making 35k a year cleaning up garbage at the UC. We are talking about men who make 6 and 7 figure salaries. Many of them with net worths in the millions.

Someone could have filed an anonymous report. Drop it to a reporter.... etc. THEY BURIED IT INSTEAD and put the guys name on the Cup.

I was bullied and picked on all through school, and locked in timeouts at school when I was bad, and dealt with people calling me a retard and I even rode the short bus, and my parents sued the school district for damages and everything else to get me back in school because I was being told I was such a bad kid. This took a toll on me as an adult leading to my termination at a lot of companies. I recognize that he didn't deserve what happened to him, and he probably is messed up from it, but it's time people come out and stop hiding from this stuff. I am not making fun of the guy, I just have been in a situation in my own life that I had to overcome a lot of things including being told I'd never amount to anything in life, yet I found some help, talked through it publicly on facebook live videos with hundreds of people watching and I felt better afterwards because I didn't have a care in the world what people thought about me. I wanted to share my story to heal and explain how I overcame things and didn't let these things ruin me. I was diagnosed with ADHD, ADD, BD, LD, Oppositional Defiant disorder and still was bullied because I was in special classes, yet I turned out okay. I also went to a school where the teacher was a sexual predator, I fought back and tore up the classroom around me to keep him away from me. I don't believe in hiding things and feeling fear of people thinking or saying things poorly of me because at the end of the day, none of those people matter because they aren't paying my bills or arent supporting me. So to say I haven't deal with this is ridiculous, I was picked on more than anyone you know. I'd go to school and a dude would beat my ass every single day he saw me in the halls. I'd fight back but the guy just never quit. I remember him beating me with a locker pad lock in the head and I still turned out okay. I am not perfect but I am not going around blaming anyone for my mistakes as I caused a lot of my own problems for myself. But we live in a weak society of people with cancel culture and people who afraid to just man up and be heard. I am tired of the weak minded people we have in society now days, especially all the bs with the netflix stuff with Chapel. This is the society we live in and it's only going to get worse until people man up and share and tell whats on their mind.
- Hawk4life

You should just stop posting on this subject.

Congrats on overcoming what happened to you earlier in life, but your path is not necessarily everyones path. For someone that admittedly had issues with employment based on his past traumas, you should understand as much if not more than anyone that "manning up and being heard" is not necessarily an option to continued employment, especially in an environment (sports) where you are judged on everything and anything and small things may be difference between a spot on the team or the end of your career.

Not only have you seen fit to Dox someone, but you also used the opportunity to criticize his draft position, his success as a player and any negative info in his scouting reports..

You say you "understand"..........clearly you don't.

Who is sacrificing their family by reporting a predator? Stan? Any of the other high paid executives? Q?

We are not talking about some guy making 35k a year cleaning up garbage at the UC. We are talking about men who make 6 and 7 figure salaries. Many of them with net worths in the millions.

Someone could have filed an anonymous report. Drop it to a reporter.... etc. THEY BURIED IT INSTEAD and put the guys name on the Cup.
- bhawks2241

See 6628's post above. He has pretty good knowledge about what it was like to work for McD and why they feared losing their jobs if they "hounded" him or went over his head. Most people wouldn't take that risk, but are saying these need to be fired. Q was just at the front of a roll that went on for many more years, and probably punched his ticket to the Hall of Fame. Several others were in the early part of those lucrative careers, and had much to risk.

The independent guy should be sued by John Doe. He had no reason to say any details that basically narrow down 20-30 players into 1 or 2. Just doing simple research on what his details were, I kind of came up with said John Doe on my own. He did a good job getting the findings and all, but that presser didn’t need certain details.

You should just stop posting on this subject.

Congrats on overcoming what happened to you earlier in life, but your path is not necessarily everyones path. For someone that admittedly had issues with employment based on his past traumas, you should understand as much if not more than anyone that "manning up and being heard" is not necessarily an option to continued employment, especially in an environment (sports) where you are judged on everything and anything and small things may be difference between a spot on the team or the end of your career.

Not only have you seen fit to Dox someone, but you also used the opportunity to criticize his draft position, his success as a player and any negative info in his scouting reports..

You say you "understand"..........clearly you don't.
- TheTrob

Why does it matter that I spoke of this persons name? It is not a big deal, and to pick on me because I threw his name out there is stupid. Who cares, the dude is getting paid and we can move on from it. Who are you to make any sort of rules on here as to what people can and can't say? It's a free country to share what I want and how I choose, unless specified by the site owner, and I have not read any rules pertaining to the latter. Maybe try not to push your own agenda on someone else just because you don't like what they have to say. You're welcome to your opinion and sharing but again, there are no rules stating I can't share his name. Maybe do more posting and less policing of Hockeybuzz.

Who is sacrificing their family by reporting a predator? Stan? Any of the other high paid executives? Q?

We are not talking about some guy making 35k a year cleaning up garbage at the UC. We are talking about men who make 6 and 7 figure salaries. Many of them with net worths in the millions.

Someone could have filed an anonymous report. Drop it to a reporter.... etc. THEY BURIED IT INSTEAD and put the guys name on the Cup.
- bhawks2241

Just for the sake of argument, lets play devils advocate,.

Fact: Bowman, et al. did what they should have done and reported it to McD who was the top guy at that point (besides Rocky).

What was then the proper amount of time they should have waited before going over his head? A day? a week? a month? before the next game? How do any of them know what McD did or didn't do to that point. If they ask him, maybe the answer is "I'm taking care of it".

Flash forward lets assume Bowman, et. al. say, you know what, Aldrichs name is not going on the cup and he doesn't get his day with it. Does that make everything better?

Its easy to sit here 10 years later and say what everyone SHOULD have done. It's much harder in the moment.

Why does it matter that I spoke of this persons name? It is not a big deal, and to pick on me because I threw his name out there is stupid. Who cares, the dude is getting paid and we can move on from it. Who are you to make any sort of rules on here as to what people can and can't say? It's a free country to share what I want and how I choose, unless specified by the site owner, and I have not read any rules pertaining to the latter. Maybe try not to push your own agenda on someone else just because you don't like what they have to say. You're welcome to your opinion and sharing but again, there are no rules stating I can't share his name. Maybe do more posting and less policing of Hockeybuzz.
- Hawk4life

Because he’s referred to as John Doe. He clearly does not want his name out there because of people like you. People who will vilify him and somehow portray him as everything you’ve described him as: a money grubbing reject who is angling because he failed. We all agreed not to share his name, because we have common decency. We are asking the same of you. Please stop posting his name. This has nothing to do with you, even though you clearly have been through a lot.

Why does it matter that I spoke of this persons name? It is not a big deal, and to pick on me because I threw his name out there is stupid. Who cares, the dude is getting paid and we can move on from it. Who are you to make any sort of rules on here as to what people can and can't say? It's a free country to share what I want and how I choose, unless specified by the site owner, and I have not read any rules pertaining to the latter. Maybe try not to push your own agenda on someone else just because you don't like what they have to say. You're welcome to your opinion and sharing but again, there are no rules stating I can't share his name. Maybe do more posting and less policing of Hockeybuzz.
- Hawk4life

Yes it’s a free country. Yes you can post the victim’s name. It’s unfortunate that you can’t understand why, despite having that freedom, it wasn’t the right thing to do.

Because he’s referred to as John Doe. He clearly does not want his name out there because of people like you. People who will vilify him and somehow portray him as everything you’ve described him as: a money grubbing reject who is angling because he failed. We all agreed not to share his name, because we have common decency. We are asking the same of you. Please stop posting his name. This has nothing to do with you, even though you clearly have been through a lot.
- ObeseOprah

Yes it’s a free country. Yes you can post the victim’s name. It’s unfortunate that you can’t understand why, despite have the freedom, it wasn’t the right thing to do.
- paulr

Thanks.

The independent guy should be sued by John Doe. He had no reason to say any details that basically narrow down 20-30 players into 1 or 2. Just doing simple research on what his details were, I kind of came up with said John Doe on my own. He did a good job getting the findings and all, but that presser didn’t need certain details.
- Slimtj100

They should have retracted the personally identifiable info in there, for sure, but Doe's attorney shared most of those details early on by sending her filings to Rick Westhead at TSN.

Yes it’s a free country. Yes you can post the victim’s name. It’s unfortunate that you can’t understand why, despite have the freedom, it wasn’t the right thing to do.
- paulr

6:00 P.M. Eastern on TSN Sportscenter - John Doe is coming on with Rick Westhead to reveal his identity and take questions.

I guess the name has been revealed, I will wait to watch until then.

6:00 P.M. Eastern on TSN Sportscenter - John Doe is coming on with Rick Westhead to reveal his identity and take questions.

I guess the name has been revealed, I will wait to watch until then.
- RickJ

Maybe they pixelate him and give him a deep voice......

You should just stop posting on this subject.

Congrats on overcoming what happened to you earlier in life, but your path is not necessarily everyones path. For someone that admittedly had issues with employment based on his past traumas, you should understand as much if not more than anyone that "manning up and being heard" is not necessarily an option to continued employment, especially in an environment (sports) where you are judged on everything and anything and small things may be difference between a spot on the team or the end of your career.

Not only have you seen fit to Dox someone, but you also used the opportunity to criticize his draft position, his success as a player and any negative info in his scouting reports..

You say you "understand"..........clearly you don't.
- TheTrob

I had issues with employment because of my own issues and speaking my mind, and got fired because of it. I can't expect to go into a company and change the rules to my liking just because they don't fit me. Everyone including you wants to have say and control over everything. If you don't like what an employer does or how they handle things, the door is right there and you are free to leave any time you choose. Frankly there are a lot of poor companies out there skirting the rules and laws, and you and I aren't going to change them, therefore if you don't like something you ask to be traded or sent somewhere else, or you quit. On the other hand, no one should be dealing with sexual harassment at work, but it happens all the time, and it will never end. There is always going to be someone somewhere that pushes past the boundaries. When I work with my clients, I explain to them that an interview is a 2 way street, and if you don't like something about the employer you pose questions in regards to it during the interview or reach out to someone else who works at said company to understand the work culture. If you expect things to change from this, good luck. Maybe the next time it happens they will be better about it and not laugh it off, but companies have their own rules in place and for us to go in and try to change them because they fired me or treated me poorly is not necessary, you in that case, move on and try to learn from the past mistake and pose questions in regards to these things to make a valid decision on whether you want to work for said employer. I also recognize things are a bit different with young men joining professional sports, but if the situation played out the way it did, he could have asked to be traded and not accepted the outright to AHL. If I disagreed with how an employer handled things, I wouldn't work for them and if I did, I would quit or in his case ask to be traded.

They should have retracted the personally identifiable info in there, for sure, but Doe's attorney shared most of those details early on by sending her filings to Rick Westhead at TSN.
- pdx2ord

Who cares. People know who it is. It's not as if people are reaching out to him on social media and making fun of him. We are talking about it in a chat forum as adults. I haven't tried to reach out to the guy. I feel for him, truly do, but I am not going to cater to everyone of you just because you choose not to share their name. No one is going to pick on the guy for what he did. And he probably isn't going around looking at various hockey forums to find out if people are talking about him.