No, but I think running the beverage side, and seeing that division's growth, I think he knows how to hire the right people. i think the Stan promotion was he needed stability somewhere in the front office while making these changes, eventually I saw Stan as occupying Pulford's old office.
- LAHawk

I'm in Springfield, IL. I have spoken with multiple liquor store employees who all, to a person, say the Wirtz people are the very best liquor people they deal with, bar none.

I believe the report said there was no reference. Just from what I've seen quoted here.
- mohel

It’s been pointed out too many times for him not to know this. It doesn’t fit his narrative, so she keeps ignoring it.

Dumb take by you.
- mohel

He's known for overly virtuous dumb takes

The team could have EASILY dealt with it and still won the Cup. Just meet with the players and say, "whatever is up, cut this poop out...we're calling the cops on Aldrich, he's trash. Now suit up and hit the ice, we got a Cup to win"
- kwolf68

Yes. But instead:

Bowman recalled that, after learning of the incident, Quenneville shook his
head and said that it was hard for the team to get to where they were, and they
could not deal with this issue now. Bowman further recalled that
McDonough referenced his previous employment with the Chicago Cubs.
Bowman recalled McDonough saying that the Blackhawks might never make
it this far in the playoffs again, and that they needed to think about when to
handle the issue.

(frank) Aldrich. (frank) Bowman. (frank) Quennville. (frank) McDonough.

How long before McDonough comes out with a book?

Yes. But instead:

Bowman recalled that, after learning of the incident, Quenneville shook his
head and said that it was hard for the team to get to where they were, and they
could not deal with this issue now. Bowman further recalled that
McDonough referenced his previous employment with the Chicago Cubs.
Bowman recalled McDonough saying that the Blackhawks might never make
it this far in the playoffs again, and that they needed to think about when to
handle the issue.

(frank) Aldrich. (frank) Bowman. (frank) Quennville. (frank) McDonough.
- Tanuki

They put their success above the mental health and well being of the victim. The question is what the players knew and how many of them either 1) made fun of the victim and/or 2) buried their heads in the sand instead of addressing it.

From a lawyer perspective, I will say it is possible most players did not know at the time. Otherwise, what is the point of the coaches and front office burying the story during the cup run? If the players all knew about it then not addressing it makes little sense.

No, but I think running the beverage side, and seeing that division's growth, I think he knows how to hire the right people. i think the Stan promotion was he needed stability somewhere in the front office while making these changes, eventually I saw Stan as occupying Pulford's old office.
- LAHawk

You did mention in your last post that Danny's long vision was to temporarily have Stan as a kinda interim GM, replace him and kick him upstairs. For stabilities sake maybe I can understand the thought process. I follow you, LA.

You think Danny is qualified to conduct a search for a hockey ops guy? I guess he's shown enough in his business career to think he could but man I always wonder how that translates over to sports.

Was looking at the fancies and the Kings caught my eye. 3rd in HDCF%, 13th in SCF% but 25th in xGF%. Not too bad and the pipeline has much more to give.

Impressive resume but who would name one of their children Juniper?
- boilermaker100

Donovan Leitch.

Whole thing is shameful. Players count on their teams to take care of them in many aspects, but you have a sexual assault and you try to well I dont know what they were trying to do with it. You deal with it right then and there. It does nothing but strengthen the team bond. Now its a giant mess. Q needs to be dismissed now. Have no doubt Rocky was aware too. Guess Cups are more important then the victim/s in this case. My god. F'n rediculous.

Plus Ricco, I see the Kings with pure hockey Robitaille as president, and Blake as GM, and even though they have amassed some seemingly good young talent, it is about time they take the next step, which hasn't happened. Loosing Doughty is a big blow this year, but talking about bad contracts for defenseman? $11 million for 6 more years, ugh.
- LAHawk

Was reading about the Avs and their 2-4-0, -7 goal differential, slow start. Was pointed out that with Dmen Toews and Girard out, solid players but not superstars, the group, a cup favorite, is not tight and are suffering for it.

In the modern age of hockey Dmen are so important GM's are desperate for them and will seemingly happily overpay for them.

In the complaint (not the report, probably because the investigation was on what Hawk management did, not what the players did), John Doe said the player harassment was in the YEARS that followed.

https://www.chicagotribun...hguty7fsevhflm-story.html

This article said the assault was an open secret in and out of the Hockey Department.

https://www.tsn.ca/allege...n-secret-source-1.1659115

Lets see what punishment Q gets, he appears to have known, According to some, it appears everyone knew except the captain of the team? Including the hazing in the years that followed?

They put their success above the mental health and well being of the victim. The question is what the players knew and how many of them either 1) made fun of the victim and/or 2) buried their heads in the sand instead of addressing it.

From a lawyer perspective, I will say it is possible most players did not know at the time. Otherwise, what is the point of the coaches and front office burying the story during the cup run? If the players all knew about it then not addressing it makes little sense.
- bhawks2241

Sure it does. [I'm not saying the players knew or didn't here] The players can know, but if it's not public, then those same players won't be asked questions about it. Once it's out in the world, there's no taking it back. That's the difference. The FO thought it was a distraction if they aired it out. It was internal so it wasn't a distraction (to them).

You did mention in your last post that Danny's long vision was to temporarily have Stan as a kinda interim GM, replace him and kick him upstairs. For stabilities sake maybe I can understand the thought process. I follow you, LA.

You think Danny is qualified to conduct a search for a hockey ops guy? I guess he's shown enough in his business career to think he could but man I always wonder how that translates over to sports.

Was looking at the fancies and the Kings caught my eye. 3rd in HDCF%, 13th in SCF% but 25th in xGF%. Not too bad and the pipeline has much more to give.
- Mr Ricochet

I think Danny know who to ask for help. He is an alternate on the board of governors, I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't talked to Olczyk about his thoughts, I bet he has a boatload of messages from agents and those wanting to apply for the jobs. I am sure Rocky will still be involved in the interview process.

Here is an article on how Danny see's the Hawks front office evolving into:

https://www.nbcsports.com...t-presidency-two-branches

That and he got severance.
- HawkintheD

AND his name engraved on the Cup.

I think Danny know who to ask for help. He is an alternate on the board of governors, I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't talked to Olczyk about his thoughts, I bet he has a boatload of messages from agents and those wanting to apply for the jobs. I am sure Rocky will still be involved in the interview process.

Here is an article on how Danny see's the Hawks front office evolving into:

https://www.nbcsports.com...t-presidency-two-branches
- LAHawk

Re: The Kings. The eye test says they should have a better record than they do, but doesn't seem to equate to resutls yet. Problem is they need some depth scoring Kopitar's line has 10 of the 14 goals the Kings have scored all year. That has been a constant theme over the years.

I understand the finger pointing at Bowman, Q, MacIsaac etc…..

However, the PRESIDENT of the Chicago Blackhawks was present in that meeting and stated “I’ll take care of this”….

Does nothing ….

I have a manager… my manager has a manager etc all the way to the Owner….

Which leads to my question….

Can McDonough personally by sued due to his negligence / not following team procedures?

Without his inactions, we’re not even having this conversation….

Exhale …..

Yup, that's why facts are important here. I made a mistake by "going after" players under false assumptions. I'd like to wait until we hear more.

If most the guys know it's very disheartening one of them didn't go to Aldrich and tell him his face would get a rearrangement if he touches another living soul against their will. Or better yet, just beat his ass in the parking lot. Failing all that, call the cops, even if it's an anonymous tip if you don't want to be seen as a snitch. poop, anything.

All that is what makes me believe it's very POSSIBLE the players did not know as much as is being let on. Too many men for ALL OF THEM to not give a poop. Just doesn't add up.
- kwolf68

Some of them knew about Black Ace 1 (different than John Doe, the main complainant) and his encounter with Aldrich. In the report it says in 2014 a Hawks player chased Black Ace 1 around the ice saying ‘bet you liked that b***job f****y’.

Pretty disgusting. From my understanding Black Ace 1 didn’t even get physically assaulted, but still had to deal with the stigma of it all from this Blackhawks player.

Sure it does.
- CanOCorn[I'm not saying the players knew or didn't here] The players can know, but if it's not public, then those same players won't be asked questions about it. Once it's out in the world, there's no taking it back. That's the difference. The FO thought it was a distraction if they aired it out. It was internal so it wasn't a distraction (to them).

True but I was more referring to internal. I think players knowing about it during the playoffs and the guy still being around players, in the locker room and meetings, etc. would be a major issue.

If I knew a co-worker was accused of sexual assault it would certainly cause an issue within my office and would be a major issue for other employees.

Will soon come out. Reading Q came late to the meeting or some poop, so not sure what he "really" knew. But multiple people report he did know and alluded to the issue as something that could hurt team chemistry. If this is true, Q needs to be peddling a shopping cart somewhere instead of leading men. Dude was a proven champion coach, but what a loser for not reporting this.

The team could have EASILY dealt with it and still won the Cup. Just meet with the players and say, "whatever is up, cut this poop out...we're calling the cops on Aldrich, he's trash. Now suit up and hit the ice, we got a Cup to win"
- kwolf68

Agreed.... I won't argue against coach Q as a great coach, he absolutely is...a person, questionable....he behaves with, and has, a certain arrogance and did even in St Louis prior to cup success.... reminds me of Babcock, completely full of himself and incapable of looking outward... just my opinion....

It's Pittsburgh this time

https://www.tsn.ca/u-s-ce...rin-source-says-1.1710143

It's Pittsburgh this time

https://www.tsn.ca/u-s-ce...rin-source-says-1.1710143
- LAHawk

I think the Hawk situation will have serious repercussions league wide and a snowball effect. This is just the start.

It's Pittsburgh this time

https://www.tsn.ca/u-s-ce...rin-source-says-1.1710143
- LAHawk

We will see where this goes now. This not the only sports league to have cover ups of crimes. I m not excuses what the hawks did not due as far following their own company polices. Also do not think this over but think more victims of this crime will start to come out and speak the truth about what happen to said person while being employed under a sports franchise.

The hawks wasted a top pick on that kid and he waits 11 years later in deciding to do something about this because his career never panned out. I understand the hawks handled it poorly and this kid was taken advantage of but the kid is looking for a payday because his career never took off. He was a headcase when the hawks drafted him and they were hoping that he would adjust and not be a poop disturber and be in the penalty box game after game because of a poor attitude but he never developed. I can’t imagine this case caused anymore irreputable harm to him than he was already dealing with when the hawks gambled and drafted him. If you go back and read scouting reports on him he was a disaster from the start, the hawks were hoping they could fix him but he just never panned out and he’s a 31 year old washed up kid playing overseas because he couldn’t hack it in the NHL. I recognize that dealing with something like this for a young kid is probably not easy but I feel the kid is blaming his failing career on this situation when he really wasn't very good and blaming this situation on how it ruined his life and things just doesn't make sense when the kid was a headcase when the hawks even drafted him. They gambled on hoping they could fix his poor attitude and other issues but he never turned it around. Seems to me he wants a payday for the fact that he didn't turn out the way he wanted to. I mean when does someone take responsibility and say I screwed up my own career instead he's blaming this on his marriage and everything else failing in his life.

In the complaint (not the report, probably because the investigation was on what Hawk management did, not what the players did), John Doe said the player harassment was in the YEARS that followed.

https://www.chicagotribun...hguty7fsevhflm-story.html

This article said the assault was an open secret in and out of the Hockey Department.

https://www.tsn.ca/allege...n-secret-source-1.1659115

Lets see what punishment Q gets, he appears to have known, According to some, it appears everyone knew except the captain of the team? Including the hazing in the years that followed?
- LAHawk

No doubt at all in my mind that he was subjected to some horrific comments from his teammates and maybe others in the league.

He says some players were harassing/verbally abusing him. Who were those players? Were they his teammates in Rockford or in Chicago or both? Where was this abuse taking place? It says scrimmages - for which team? How often were prospects on the ice in scrimmages or practices with the guys from the main club? Did any other player stand up for him or shut down the crap once they heard it?

As easy as it is for me to believe that there is a poopty culture in hockey and that this kind of cruel teasing is rampant, it's just as easy to believe that at least some of the players for whom team and teammates are everything, shut it down every time it started up. Who was on both sides of that line? We just do not know. And, I repeat my question from earlier, IF it turns out Toews was on the shutting it down / trying to help Doe, does he still get the axe?

Today there ought to be some roster moves. due to many players on covid protocol. So far haven't seen any call up