He puts himself out there as Mr. Social Justice warrior on twitter. Maybe that is for personal validation than any real social conviction?
- LAHawk

Maybe we can allow facts to come to surface instead of taking on a guy due to a political stance you may not agree with. There are complete hypocrites from all sides of the ideological spectrum, but all are innocent until proof of guilt.

Maybe the best defense Bowman and McCub had was simply deny the report exists, have the nerve to contradict actual video or audio proof, calling it all "fake news" and call it a day. Then us Hawks fans could lap it up like kittens attacking a saucer of milk. Problem solved, we live in our own delusion and can kiss the Cup every night.

It is not about wanting more blood. It is about finding out who else knew and did nothing. The "not for me to judge" attitude is exactly why this occurred. People in the organization turned a blind eye to it and/or did not take any actions other than going up the chain of command. The "I did my part I reported it to my superior" doesn't fly with me and it shouldn't with anyone else.
- bhawks2241

Have at it then. Go after their parents too for raising monsters.

They should probably lose their jobs too.

He puts himself out there as Mr. Social Justice warrior on twitter. Maybe that is for personal validation than any real social conviction?
- LAHawk

Hmmm the guy who said this would go no where to i want all of their heads. So extreme

He puts himself out there as Mr. Social Justice warrior on twitter. Maybe that is for personal validation than any real social conviction?
- LAHawk

Yeah for all we know he could have been the one taunting John Doe Or he could have been one of the 6 players who claimed to have not had knowledge of the inappropriate behavior in 2010 Or he could have been one of the 6 players who claim they learned about the inappropriate behavior after Aldrich was terminated.

Again, too many what if's.

Yeah for all we know he could have been the one taunting John Doe Or he could have been one of the 6 players who claimed to have not had knowledge of the inappropriate behavior in 2010 Or he could have been one of the 6 players who claim they learned about the inappropriate behavior after Aldrich was terminated.

Again, too many what if's.
- Popsghostly

Yup, that's why facts are important here. I made a mistake by "going after" players under false assumptions. I'd like to wait until we hear more.

If most the guys know it's very disheartening one of them didn't go to Aldrich and tell him his face would get a rearrangement if he touches another living soul against their will. Or better yet, just beat his ass in the parking lot. Failing all that, call the cops, even if it's an anonymous tip if you don't want to be seen as a snitch. poop, anything.

All that is what makes me believe it's very POSSIBLE the players did not know as much as is being let on. Too many men for ALL OF THEM to not give a poop. Just doesn't add up.

Dumb take by you.
- mohel

Thanks

What is SICK is this (frank)er Aldrich had his "day with the Cup". That's incredible.
- kwolf68

That and he got severance.

I’m no more happy than you about the way the Hawks abandoned the rebuild but I’m also really dismayed by the Jones trade and signing. That trade put the hawks in a bad place to rebuild and in their salary cap structure for an OK defenseman who is weak defensively.

Now imagine had the Hawks traded Kane, Toews, Seabrook and Keith in 2016? Can you imagine the return in draft picks and prospects because everyone of those players was more valuable in 2016 than Jones was last summer. Now Mr. Ricochet, be honest, had Bowman traded the core in 2016 would you have been on board or would Bowman have been a madman or a visionary?

And speaking of madman. Words like that distort any civil debate or discussion. No one in hockey, except possibly Aldrich, is a madman. And nothing Bowman did was the right thing for many on this site no matter what he did. I don’t like many of his moves but I liked many others. Many of the Posters who dislike Bowman do not give him credit and that stagnates any productive discussions.
- paulr

Paul, your posts are thoughtful and meaty with multiple points being made. That I don't address all the points do not mean they're not important it's that I'm usually too dense or slow to do so and I want to keep my simple points short so as not confuse or ramble.

Would I be behind a Stan selloff in 2016? I can honestly answer that, yes. Why? Cuz I was behind the first plan to plug around the core and go for it, the Pens have and are and have made the playoffs for forever and won some cups. And I was behind the first rebuild cuz we've seen countless rebuilds work. But I got off board when they never did either properly and tried to straddle the fence therebye wasting yrs.

You can sell me on any idea/plan at face value but I have to see an earnest process take place for me to stay on board. The Hawks, as has been mentioned today and for yrs, have been rudderless/directionless for 5-6 yrs and that is not acceptable. Think my last post I said even a failed plan is better than none. I can deal with failure but not inaction or paralysis.

And let me share my hockey acumen as far as a 2016 rebuild possibility. Think that was about the time Kaner was running wild, drunk, getting into legal trouble. My position was have an organIzational meeting, decide if this kid is just a punk and will get thrown outa the league or incarcerated (kinda like E Kane now) and if they think so move him and do it now before he has zero value........ I said send him to Buffalo and make sure one of the pieces back is Tyler Meyers!!! How's that for GMing? Unfortunately I have more examples like that but I'll spare you but as a FAN you can sell me on a plan but the rubber hits the road with the process of which the Hawks have had none for 5-6 yrs.

StanBow is a maniac? Nowhere here or on the internets will you see my opinion on this dastardly, sick man and how the Hawks handled it. It's common sense to me and doesn't need my opinion anymore than that..... I refer to StanBow as a madman in the context of going for it and rebuilding 4 different times in 5 yrs. Simple as that.

That and he got severance.
- HawkintheD

AND a reference to go coach high school in Michigan where he did that poop again. No wonder John Doe 2 is suing the Hawks. I would too. Total negligence that put a kid at high risk. Simply unreal.

Hmmm the guy who said this would go no where to i want all of their heads. So extreme
- BetweenTheDots

Well it did come out, I didn't give the Wirtz's enough credit. Just because I said it would never come out didn't mean I didn't want accountability.

I'd be curious about what Notre Dame knew and why they didn't participate.

I don't like that stink/connection between Stan and Notre Dame and that POS (don't care to say his name)

AND a reference to go coach high school in Michigan where he did that poop again. No wonder John Doe 2 is suing the Hawks. I would too. Total negligence that put a kid at high risk. Simply unreal.
- kwolf68

I believe the report said there was no reference. Just from what I've seen quoted here.

I’m no more happy than you about the way the Hawks abandoned the rebuild but I’m also really dismayed by the Jones trade and signing. That trade put the hawks in a bad place to rebuild and in their salary cap structure for an OK defenseman who is weak defensively.

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- paulr

Oh, and the Jones trade. I can read and understand the fancies but I'm old and the eye test is important to me. I can have an opinion, like I did with Tyler Meyers that I mentioned, but if a guy like Stevie Y or Scott Bowman says I do or don't like this or that guy it's gonna influence me.

Jones is big, can skate, is athletic, stuck in a Tort's system that doesn't accentuate his skills but he earned good and bad fancies in that system. I don't think physically he's any different than when he earned great fancies and traditional stats. .......... Good thing is within a yr we'll see him under hopefully competent coaching and see what he is.

No doubt it was a huge overpay and I am a huge Sillinger guy, the kid who went with the Hawk's 12th pick and posted so predraft. It's done and the only hope for some value is Jones plays to a true #1 Dman slotting (top 32 of all Dmen) for maybe 1/2 the life of the contract.

LBR made a great point in her podcast. Only 3ish teams were in on Jones, he'd only agree to go to a handful, they all dropped out with only the Hawks standing. They could have got him for much less and if not just sign him as a FA next yr and give up zero assets! ....... Yea, it hurts but he's a Hawk and all we can do is hope for the best.

Hmmm the guy who said this would go no where to i want all of their heads. So extreme
- BetweenTheDots

Well, the new standard has been set. Anyone who was an employee of the team at the time who knew anything and didn't "hound" McD is culpable. Players are employees.

Of course you'd have a completely different point of view if Murphy had been on the team then.

Ricochet- agree on Jones

He is big. Can skate/is mobile. Can easily handle the 25min a night

He was never used offensively, so jumping in plays may be a new read for him. But I think he can excel

Boqvist is playing #5 min in CLB still

I'd like to see him under a new coach as well

I believe the report said there was no reference. Just from what I've seen quoted here.
- mohel

Right on Mo- pages 63-64:

"None of the witnesses we interviewed recalled anyone at the Blackhawks providing a written or verbal reference for Aldrich to his future employers. When interviewed, Aldrich stated that he did not list any Blackhawks employees as references on job applications, nor did he ask anyone from the Blackhawks to vouch for him or make any calls on his behalf.622 USA Hockey reported to us that they identified no records reflecting a reference provided for Aldrich by the Blackhawks.623 We gathered records from Miami University regarding Aldrich’s employment and found no evidence of references, whether written or oral, provided by the Blackhawks. Miami University published an investigative report on September 24, 2021, which stated that Aldrich did not provide references on his resume when he applied to Miami, that the then-head coach of Miami University’s hockey team received Aldrich’s name from the coach’s collegiate hockey connections, and that the head coach and others spoke to the University of Notre Dame about Aldrich and received favorable information.624 The Miami investigative report does not describe any references provided by the Blackhawks.625 The University of Notre Dame declined to share information or records with us, other than to confirm Aldrich’s dates of employment at the university. "

Ricco, so far I like the steps that Danny Wirtz has done. He did start shuffling the deck when he came in, he promoted Stan while saying that a new GM would be bought in eventually. I think this lawsuit and investigation put on hold a lot of his off-ice changes. Like Rocky brought in a change when he took over, I think Danny will also. He sure has strengthened the analytics area, and brought in and let go some new scouts. I can see Kyle Davidson staying as GM, and hiring a "hockey insider" as a co-gm or assistant. He has a pretty impressive resume in running Wirtz beverage, starting new ventures under the Wirtz umbrella and is active in charities and other community projects. Trying to keep my tinfoil hat and sunglasses on through this cloudy period

https://www.nhl.com/blackhawks/team/danny-wirtz
- LAHawk

You follow the Hawks much closer than I. I like reading you're impressed with Danny cuz he's gonna be influential with the organIzation for decades. Not thrilled with his assessment that StanBow be the #1 hockey mind in the organIzation and promote him to that position though.

Am I wrong to want my executives strong suits be pure hockey before cultural/community awareness and I'm as progressive as the next guy in that sense?

Well, the new standard has been set. Anyone who was an employee of the team at the time who knew anything and didn't "hound" McD is culpable. Players are employees.

Of course you'd have a completely different point of view if Murphy had been on the team then.
- mohel

Do not worry as people are found to be "in the know" they will be held to the same standard as your puppet Bowman is. This is like the 3 or 4th post with this tone, and reading between the lines it's your continual defense of this Bowman guy, who was a sham GM and worse of all a sham human. His pass the buck apology was beyond weak. Dude is a joke.

I wonder if Coach Q will grab his crotch in defiance and shake it in the leagues direction while claiming he takes sexual abuse seriously.......always was a classy move by the coach...

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Jeremy Colliton said CEO Danny Wirtz spoke to the team this morning to address everything that happened yesterday. #Blackhawks

I wonder if Coach Q will grab his crotch in defiance and shake it in the leagues direction while claiming he takes sexual abuse seriously.......always was a classy move by the coach...
- angryagain

Will soon come out. Reading Q came late to the meeting or some poop, so not sure what he "really" knew. But multiple people report he did know and alluded to the issue as something that could hurt team chemistry. If this is true, Q needs to be peddling a shopping cart somewhere instead of leading men. Dude was a proven champion coach, but what a loser for not reporting this.

The team could have EASILY dealt with it and still won the Cup. Just meet with the players and say, "whatever is up, cut this poop out...we're calling the cops on Aldrich, he's trash. Now suit up and hit the ice, we got a Cup to win"

You follow the Hawks much closer than I. I like reading you're impressed with Danny cuz he's gonna be influential with the organIzation for decades. Not thrilled with his assessment that StanBow be the #1 hockey mind in the organIzation and promote him to that position though.

Am I wrong to want my executives strong suits be pure hockey before cultural/community awareness and I'm as progressive as the next guy in that sense?
- Mr Ricochet

No, but I think running the beverage side, and seeing that division's growth, I think he knows how to hire the right people. i think the Stan promotion was he needed stability somewhere in the front office while making these changes, eventually I saw Stan as occupying Pulford's old office.

Plus Ricco, I see the Kings with pure hockey Robitaille as president, and Blake as GM, and even though they have amassed some seemingly good young talent, it is about time they take the next step, which hasn't happened. Loosing Doughty is a big blow this year, but talking about bad contracts for defenseman? $11 million for 6 more years, ugh.

Do not worry as people are found to be "in the know" they will be held to the same standard as your puppet Bowman is. This is like the 3 or 4th post with this tone, and reading between the lines it's your continual defense of this Bowman guy, who was a sham GM and worse of all a sham human. His pass the buck apology was beyond weak. Dude is a joke.
- kwolf68

He could cure cancer and you'd still hate him. Whatever standard was applied to Stan - even if I disagree with it - should be applied to all. Not sure why that is hard for you.

You should probably disavow the 2013 and 2015 Cups, because they don't have them without the dude.

Ricochet- agree on Jones

He is big. Can skate/is mobile. Can easily handle the 25min a night

He was never used offensively, so jumping in plays may be a new read for him. But I think he can excel

Boqvist is playing #5 min in CLB still

I'd like to see him under a new coach as well
- PatShart

Not a Boqvuist guy, wanted Dobson that yr in the worst way. Watched 3 full CLB games this yr and can say without doubt he looks different. Not necessarily good just different. Doesn't look like a scared tiny kid/child. ....... Makes me wonder if the kid was given 2 yrs in the AHL if he might indeed be something? A 40-45 point, run one of the PP units, not kill you in the Dzone player?

Fit is so so very important even for these world class athletes and a coach who sees that fit. IMO yesterday was good for Jones as a hockey player. Hope that a coach who will understand his strengths and construct ways to accentuate them comes in.

Well, the new standard has been set. Anyone who was an employee of the team at the time who knew anything and didn't "hound" McD is culpable. Players are employees.

Of course you'd have a completely different point of view if Murphy had been on the team then.
- mohel

You are taking it to an extreme. Certainly the coaching staff, front office, and the victim's peers, i.e. other players on the team should be held accountable.