Well Paul, since both of us have been around it a long time as well as quite a few other posters on here, lets be clear about hockey and the culture that exists around it when winning gets more and more important because there is sizeable money involved.

Q played the pro game and did so for more years than his talent should have allowed. His career outlasted many others of greater skill and talent. He was around many dressing rooms and knows what players and teammates are winners and survive long term and those that don't. And he carried that forward into coaching and has survived firings, DUI's and other stuff. And as a coach, he knows the type of players he wants on his teams - guys like him, committed, all in guys rowing the boat in the same direction as him. Guys like Keith, Toews, Kane, Sharp. In his mind, if those guys get out of line once in a while, so what, big f'n deal. I'm rolling with winners.

So then newbie Kyle Beach comes on the scene and Q is hoping for a big nasty guy he can use and all of a sudden he gets word of a complaint from the kid about a video coach. You just know Q is thinking WTF, why didn't he just beat the sh$t out of that _______ Aldrich. I got no time to deal with this BS, I'm not his mommy.

So while Q is on the hot seat now, he sure isn't a one of a kind NHL coach. The really successful ones have never been sympathetic, understanding guys - Scotty Bowman, Toe Blake, Glen Sather, Pat Burns, Punch Imlach, John Tortorella, Dale Hunter. Those guys didn't offer after hours counselling sessions.

And it wasn't long ago that Mike Babcock got axed and all the terrible things about him as a coach came out. Are the Leafs a better team without him?

Hockey at the NHL level isn't a participation sport. I feel very badly for Beach but he isn't the only guy who has been abused one way or the other over the many decades the NHL has been in business.
- RickJ

Oh I agree 100% that Q or anyone wanted to deal with it and it wasn’t their fault as it was thrust on the team. And really if McDonough had done 5he right thing at the time others wouldn’t now be on a hot seat none of then should be on.

I was talking offline with another poster, who can identify himself if he wishes, who brought up a very interesting point. Sexual incidents seem to be a unique thing to hockey and to Canada. It doesn’t seem to happen in any other sport. This poster suggested maybe kids leaving hope at an early as vulnerable kids and they wind up in vulnerable situations. I know when I played on a new AAA team at 15 years old I was hazed by being stripped naked, tied to the trainers table and shaved from head to toe. And that is mild in comparison to others stories.

Holy crap they have a lead

Joke's on you...apparently he was not a licensed doctor

JFC

- pdx2ord

Wow....

I do therapy called EDMR for my own childhood trauma issues. I can tell you from what I have learned is that the traumatic memories and conversations Beach had are probably fresh as the day they happened. Same goes for the players that made fun of him. He probably remembers all of it and what players did it.

That kind of stuff imprints on a different part of your brain when your flight of fight mechanism activates from the trauma (name of the part of the brain is escaping me at the moment).

I have no doubt Beach remembers everything that happened even though it was over a decade ago.

Holy crap they have a lead
- BetweenTheDots

Yep nice to see. Thing is these guys on the team right now have nothing to do with the assault, but it's a cross they unfortunately have to bare. I bet they were chomping at the bit to just go play hockey.

Dach’s gonna be just fine. And Entwistle, Johnson and Gaudette threw 4 checks on the 1st shift, although they won’t all be classified as ‘hits’ in the stats. Their shift set the tone.

Entwistle is going to be a keeper too.

Oh I agree 100% that Q or anyone wanted to deal with it and it wasn’t their fault as it was thrust on the team. And really if McDonough had done 5he right thing at the time others wouldn’t now be on a hot seat none of then should be on.

I was talking offline with another poster, who can identify himself if he wishes, who brought up a very interesting point. Sexual incidents seem to be a unique thing to hockey and to Canada. It doesn’t seem to happen in any other sport. This poster suggested maybe kids leaving hope at an early as vulnerable kids and they wind up in vulnerable situations. I know when I played on a new AAA team at 15 years old I was hazed by being stripped naked, tied to the trainers table and shaved from head to toe. And that is mild in comparison to others stories.
- paulr

I'm sorry that happened to you

And, I do think you are right. The sports where kids are taken from their homes at a young age because of the promise that they show are the most dangerous. Hockey, Gymnastics, Swimming, etc. The predators target these environments and can often use the kid's (and his/her parents') ambitions to control the situation.

It's sick and the unfortunate truth is too often the abused becomes the abuser and the cycle never ends. Carcillo has said that is how his story went until he got help. It will not stop in hockey until they stop it at the lowest levels.

Didnt this same poop happen to Akium Aleu? Let's move on and stop talking about it. It really isn't our business, and nothing we say or talk about is going to change anything about what already happened.
- Hawk4life

Nah, he wouldn't go thru the customary rookie hazing and Steve Downie had to teach him a lesson about being a good teammate

Oh I agree 100% that Q or anyone wanted to deal with it and it wasn’t their fault as it was thrust on the team. And really if McDonough had done 5he right thing at the time others wouldn’t now be on a hot seat none of then should be on.

I was talking offline with another poster, who can identify himself if he wishes, who brought up a very interesting point. Sexual incidents seem to be a unique thing to hockey and to Canada. It doesn’t seem to happen in any other sport. This poster suggested maybe kids leaving hope at an early as vulnerable kids and they wind up in vulnerable situations. I know when I played on a new AAA team at 15 years old I was hazed by being stripped naked, tied to the trainers table and shaved from head to toe. And that is mild in comparison to others stories.
- paulr

Yes, that seem to be a Canadian thing. I played in college with a team of mostly guys from BC. The upperclassmen did their shaving of the rooks in the shower.

Wow a 5 on 5 goal,

I am one of those old guys Rick, but times have changed, and if those coaches used the same tactics today they wouldn’t be coaching that long.
- LAHawk

I didn't say the mentality or tactics were right or appropriate sir, in fact they were completely inappropriate and lacking compassion. But I maintain it has been the culture of professional hockey, pretty much forever. And if you think they have changed much, I still see Darryl Sutter and Craig Berube coaching in the league.

Wow a 5 on 5 goal,
- BetweenTheDots

A nice breakaway and nice pass from Jones. Team looks good, battling and blocking shots.

After watching his interview - F the brand.

You're a better person than I, but I won't be able to watch or "getting past" this for me, personally.

I'm in my mid-forties. It was one of the toughest things I have watched. Emotional. Devastating. Felt every word he said.

I do not judge you or other at all able to forgive and/or willing to give opportunity to them now to change ✌✌

I'm nowhere near that - not just the Hawks but the entire failure of the NHL, again. And USA sports - again. I just can't anymore. They do not deserve it.
- PatShart

I’m a survivor of not one but two sexual assaults which happened between the ages of 4 and 6 years of age. One lasted 2 years and the other happened at the tail end of the first.

This is going to sound rough so let me preface this.

All sexual assaults are committed by malicious and yet broken people. They too, were probably victims themselves. So punishment should be doled out accordingly along psychiatric care. A lot of it.

With that said, I have a hard time having a lot of compassion for grown men, especially athletes, who can’t handle this situation. (This obviously doesn’t pertain to people with mental challenges) I have compassion for the 2 players but there is always going to be an edge from me, because I was 4 when it happened and I had no one to turn to. (My home life sucked) Not to mention I didn’t have a clue how to handle it.

As an adult, I can pick up a phone and call 911. Which makes me wonder if the athletes are subject to some sort of clause which means you go to the organization first. I don’t know the fine details of player contracts and such. But with no action happening from the organization, I would have called the police. The whole situation is very odd to me.

In closing, many people especially, children are very susceptible to assaults like this, and if you or you know someone who is a victim, please get them help, psychiatric help. Because it’s not just the assault but you now have ptsd in play. Which went undiagnosed in me for decades. But then again no one knew about the first assault because the guy threatened to kill my family. So I repressed it.

I am one of those old guys Rick, but times have changed, and if those coaches used the same tactics today they wouldn’t be coaching that long.
- LAHawk

I didn't say the mentality or tactics were right or appropriate sir, in fact they were completely inappropriate and lacking compassion. But I maintain it has been the culture of professional hockey, pretty much forever. And if you think they have changed much, I still see Darryl Sutter and Craig Berube coaching in the league.

I like how they are challenging the zone entries so far

Wow a 5 on 5 goal,
- BetweenTheDots

Who’s the annoying PA announcer?

Wow....

I do therapy called EDMR for my own childhood trauma issues. I can tell you from what I have learned is that the traumatic memories and conversations Beach had are probably fresh as the day they happened. Same goes for the players that made fun of him. He probably remembers all of it and what players did it.

That kind of stuff imprints on a different part of your brain when your flight of fight mechanism activates from the trauma (name of the part of the brain is escaping me at the moment).

I have no doubt Beach remembers everything that happened even though it was over a decade ago.
- bhawks2241

Yes, yes it does, even if you block some of it out for a while like Kyle said he did.

I'm sorry that happened to you

And, I do think you are right. The sports where kids are taken from their homes at a young age because of the promise that they show are the most dangerous. Hockey, Gymnastics, Swimming, etc. The predators target these environments and can often use the kid's (and his/her parents') ambitions to control the situation.

It's sick and the unfortunate truth is too often the abused becomes the abuser and the cycle never ends. Carcillo has said that is how his story went until he got help. It will not stop in hockey until they stop it at the lowest levels.
- pdx2ord

Thanks but I wasn’t looking for sympathy I was just stating how prevalent it was, maybe still is? I was told it would toughen me up. Quite frankly other than a bad hairdo, one eyebrow and itching like crazy for a while it didn’t really bother me. But it really upset another teammate. The next year we got a new coach who limited hazing to rookies packing and carrying the equipment of the established players.

Who’s the annoying PA announcer?
- Angotti

Got it on mute, waiting for some company to leave

Seth Jones currently leading the team in points.

I didn't say the mentality or tactics were right or appropriate sir, in fact they were completely inappropriate and lacking compassion. But I maintain it has been the culture of professional hockey, pretty much forever. And if you think they have changed much, I still see Darryl Sutter and Craig Berube coaching in the league.
- RickJ

No doubt.

Who’s the annoying PA announcer?
- Angotti

I was going to ask the same thing. It's sounds like the bush league crap that the Predators do

Wow....

I do therapy called EDMR for my own childhood trauma issues. I can tell you from what I have learned is that the traumatic memories and conversations Beach had are probably fresh as the day they happened. Same goes for the players that made fun of him. He probably remembers all of it and what players did it.

That kind of stuff imprints on a different part of your brain when your flight of fight mechanism activates from the trauma (name of the part of the brain is escaping me at the moment).

I have no doubt Beach remembers everything that happened even though it was over a decade ago.
- bhawks2241

The amygdala is the section of the brain.

EMDR is cool stuff. Hope it helps you!

Boy do they just not protect the middle of the ice

I’m a survivor of not one but two sexual assaults which happened between the ages of 4 and 6 years of age. One lasted 2 years and the other happened at the tail end of the first.

This is going to sound rough so let me preface this.

All sexual assaults are committed by malicious and yet broken people. They too, were probably victims themselves. So punishment should be doled out accordingly along psychiatric care. A lot of it.

With that said, I have a hard time having a lot of compassion for grown men, especially athletes, who can’t handle this situation. (This obviously doesn’t pertain to people with mental challenges) I have compassion for the 2 players but there is always going to be an edge from me, because I was 4 when it happened and I had no one to turn to. (My home life sucked) Not to mention I didn’t have a clue how to handle it.

As an adult, I can pick up a phone and call 911. Which makes me wonder if the athletes are subject to some sort of clause which means you go to the organization first. I don’t know the fine details of player contracts and such. But with no action happening from the organization, I would have called the police. The whole situation is very odd to me.

In closing, many people especially, children are very susceptible to assaults like this, and if you or you know someone who is a victim, please get them help, psychiatric help. Because it’s not just the assault but you now have ptsd in play. Which went undiagnosed in me for decades. But then again no one knew about the first assault because the guy threatened to kill my family. So I repressed it.
- Diamondhands

Very sorry that happened to you.

Read a study not too long ago that those of us who have suffered some kind of trauma have, in some bass ackwards way, less empathy for others that have gone through the same trauma than another person does. In part, it's because our minds always compare our own to someone else's and if theirs is deemed not as bad, it's less worthy of our empathy. We survived, we fought back, we told someone, etc. etc, so why didn't they? I catch myself now having those thoughts and realize, "wow, that's pretty messed up."

I would expect that is some of what happens throughout hockey.

Oh man they got this nasaly guy with Foley