Me to. This is certainly a huge blow to the brand, but its how they move forward that i will judge them on.
- SaskHawkFan

Right now, I feel we are in the Bill Wirtz era. Agreed, they need to make things right, they can, but it will take time. Lots of wounds need to be healed. Pregame by Boyle was a good start.

Right now, I feel we are in the Bill Wirtz era. Agreed, they need to make things right, they can, but it will take time. Lots of wounds need to be healed. Pregame by Boyle was a good start.
- ChicagoHope

I don’t see the connection?

You didn't answer my questions. As to the bolded part, yes, from everything we have heard and learned, McD could have fired anyone he wanted without Rocky's approval, especially the Video coach.
- TheTrob

I will try to answer it. What did I miss?

And there is no chance that McD could fire Q or a higher up front office guy without giving and explanation to Rocky. I just don't buy it.

Plus there is again this thing called an employment contract. Those guys are not at will employees. Firing one of them and terminating their employment contract for reporting a sexual assault would be an instant lawsuit.

Me to. This is certainly a huge blow to the brand, but its how they move forward that i will judge them on.
- SaskHawkFan

After watching his interview - F the brand.

You're a better person than I, but I won't be able to watch or "getting past" this for me, personally.

I'm in my mid-forties. It was one of the toughest things I have watched. Emotional. Devastating. Felt every word he said.

I do not judge you or other at all able to forgive and/or willing to give opportunity to them now to change ✌✌

I'm nowhere near that - not just the Hawks but the entire failure of the NHL, again. And USA sports - again. I just can't anymore. They do not deserve it.

Part of the collateral effect of nothing being done by the Hawks at the time is a 16 year old kid was sexually assaulted. That we’re aware of. That may be the worst part of this whole incident.

After watching his interview - F the brand.

You're a better person than I, but I won't be able to watch or "getting past" this for me, personally.

I'm in my mid-forties. It was one of the toughest things I have watched. Emotional. Devastating. Felt every word he said.

I do not judge you or other at all able to forgive and/or willing to give opportunity to them now to change ✌✌

I'm nowhere near that - not just the Hawks but the entire failure of the NHL, again. And USA sports - again. I just can't anymore. They do not deserve it.
- PatShart

Decades of sports culture in America. Winning put above everything else.

After watching his interview - F the brand.

You're a better person than I, but I won't be able to watch or "getting past" this for me, personally.

I'm in my mid-forties. It was one of the toughest things I have watched. Emotional. Devastating. Felt every word he said.

I do not judge you or other at all able to forgive and/or willing to give opportunity to them now to change ✌✌

I'm nowhere near that - not just the Hawks but the entire failure of the NHL, again. And USA sports - again. I just can't anymore. They do not deserve it.
- PatShart

sad thing its just the tip of the iceberg. many more hopefully will come forward now.

Saw Duncan Keith's interview. I was not impressed.

sad thing its just the tip of the iceberg. many more hopefully will come forward now.
- SaskHawkFan

I hope you’re wrong and this is an isolated incident. But I think that’s just me being hopefully naive.

Part of the collateral effect of nothing being done by the Hawks at the time is a 16 year old kid was sexually assaulted. That we’re aware of. That may be the worst part of this whole incident.
- paulr

The horrible guilt Kyle feels....no words. None.

The horrible guilt Kyle feels....no words. None.
- PatShart

I know that, that was a tough part of the interview to watch.

Right now, I feel we are in the Bill Wirtz era. Agreed, they need to make things right, they can, but it will take time. Lots of wounds need to be healed. Pregame by Boyle was a good start.
- ChicagoHope

The Bill Wirtz era did not care about anybody, clearly the top brass didn’t give Kyle Beach that either. Yes, Rocky didn’t know, but my point is all the good will this team put up was fine, but truly caring about all was not there. Not blaming Rocky, just feel that this organization cared when things got good, but there clearly was a lack of care as long as they won. People are more important than any game or any Stanley Cup championship!!

Saw Duncan Keith's interview. I was not impressed.
- kwolf68

I wasn’t sure how to take it? He seemed remorseful but I had already heard Beach say not only did the team know, but some were calling him homophobic slurs. I sure hope that wasn’t the case.

The horrible guilt Kyle feels....no words. None.
- PatShart

Wherever the mental skills coach is that was on the 2010 staff should lose whatever license or certifications he has on the spot. The stuff he allegedly told Beach is beyond comprehension. A mental health professional betraying his profession. Just wow.

After watching his interview - F the brand.

You're a better person than I, but I won't be able to watch or "getting past" this for me, personally.

I'm in my mid-forties. It was one of the toughest things I have watched. Emotional. Devastating. Felt every word he said.

I do not judge you or other at all able to forgive and/or willing to give opportunity to them now to change ✌✌

I'm nowhere near that - not just the Hawks but the entire failure of the NHL, again. And USA sports - again. I just can't anymore. They do not deserve it.
- PatShart

I respect your opinion and stance. Since I don’t watch pro basketball and NFL, and can ‘t sit thru 4 hour of baseball and I love hockey, I will watch, and hope the Hawks can clean this up.

I wasn’t sure how to take it? He seemed remorseful but I had already heard Beach say not only did the team know, but some were calling him homophobic slurs. I sure hope that wasn’t the case.
- paulr

My problem was Keith really stood his ground on that he was just focused on winning the playoffs, getting into the moment. THAT was the central reason Q and McDonought argued to push the assault to the side.

I am not saying Keith knew, but I wasn't overly excited about his response. Then again, Keith has never been an exciting interview so maybe it was just his personality

I’m still and always will be 100% behind the Blackhawks.

I can’t wait for the CHANGES to come.
- Diamondhands

I can sit here and wish for everything to have gone different and never happened. Hearing Beach talk was tough and deeply upsetting. The Blackhawks will still be my team. A handful of individuals won't ruin that for me. I'm shaken about what was said and more wasn't done, but I look at that with hindsight and he-said/he-said situations are tough to judge in the moment. 2010, I think, had different standards than it does today when matters like this arise. We are better equipped in procedures and who to talk to, especially when it comes to job protection and anonymity, where I don't know if that was a thing in 2010. I don't like it, but I understand it. I hope his story reaches other victims because speaking out is hard.

I can't say I'm excited for changes because they only happened because of this situation. It's attempting to place a band aid on a ten year old cut, it was expected, but it's bittersweet. I respect Wirtz in how he handled the private investigation and the repercussions are being dealt with and will most likely continue. Giving money to fund and organizations was also nice. I'll still be here, just not as much. Hard to find silver linings in this. A fun game that was a distraction for me and a way for me to talk with people was just made serious. I understand why people want a break from this team.

It’s pretty ugly. Quenneville’s interview with Bettman won’t be comfortable after this
- paulr

Well Paul, since both of us have been around it a long time as well as quite a few other posters on here, lets be clear about hockey and the culture that exists around it when winning gets more and more important because there is sizeable money involved.

Q played the pro game and did so for more years than his talent should have allowed. His career outlasted many others of greater skill and talent. He was around many dressing rooms and knows what players and teammates are winners and survive long term and those that don't. And he carried that forward into coaching and has survived firings, DUI's and other stuff. And as a coach, he knows the type of players he wants on his teams - guys like him, committed, all in guys rowing the boat in the same direction as him. Guys like Keith, Toews, Kane, Sharp. In his mind, if those guys get out of line once in a while, so what, big f'n deal. I'm rolling with winners.

So then newbie Kyle Beach comes on the scene and Q is hoping for a big nasty guy he can use and all of a sudden he gets word of a complaint from the kid about a video coach. You just know Q is thinking WTF, why didn't he just beat the sh$t out of that _______ Aldrich. I got no time to deal with this BS, I'm not his mommy.

So while Q is on the hot seat now, he sure isn't a one of a kind NHL coach. The really successful ones have never been sympathetic, understanding guys - Scotty Bowman, Toe Blake, Glen Sather, Pat Burns, Punch Imlach, John Tortorella, Dale Hunter. Those guys didn't offer after hours counselling sessions.

And it wasn't long ago that Mike Babcock got axed and all the terrible things about him as a coach came out. Are the Leafs a better team without him?

Hockey at the NHL level isn't a participation sport. I feel very badly for Beach but he isn't the only guy who has been abused one way or the other over the many decades the NHL has been in business.

Soooo..... Kyle Beach?
- TheGame316

Just saw Pat Foley announce that Kyle Beach came forward as John Doe. He was a tough and angry kid so I am a little surprised this happened. As far as McD he was always a PR guy and that's exactly how he reacted. He was wrong and he was probably fired for it; which, if so, Rocky knew before he let on. I don't know any facts so I won't make assumptions, espcecially as to when Rocky knew. The poop hit the fan and now we all wait to see the fallout. Hopefully Kyle will recover from this and move on.

Wow.

Well Paul, since both of us have been around it a long time as well as quite a few other posters on here, lets be clear about hockey and the culture that exists around it when winning gets more and more important because there is sizeable money involved.

Q played the pro game and did so for more years than his talent should have allowed. His career outlasted many others of greater skill and talent. He was around many dressing rooms and knows what players and teammates are winners and survive long term and those that don't. And he carried that forward into coaching and has survived firings, DUI's and other stuff. And as a coach, he knows the type of players he wants on his teams - guys like him, committed, all in guys rowing the boat in the same direction as him. Guys like Keith, Toews, Kane, Sharp. In his mind, if those guys get out of line once in a while, so what, big f'n deal. I'm rolling with winners.

So then newbie Kyle Beach comes on the scene and Q is hoping for a big nasty guy he can use and all of a sudden he gets word of a complaint from the kid about a video coach. You just know Q is thinking WTF, why didn't he just beat the sh$t out of that _______ Aldrich. I got no time to deal with this BS, I'm not his mommy.

So while Q is on the hot seat now, he sure isn't a one of a kind NHL coach. The really successful ones have never been sympathetic, understanding guys - Scotty Bowman, Toe Blake, Glen Sather, Pat Burns, Punch Imlach, John Tortorella, Dale Hunter. Those guys didn't offer after hours counselling sessions.

And it wasn't long ago that Mike Babcock got axed and all the terrible things about him as a coach came out. Are the Leafs a better team without him?

Hockey at the NHL level isn't a participation sport. I feel very badly for Beach but he isn't the only guy who has been abused one way or the other over the many decades the NHL has been in business.
- RickJ

How about doing the right thing for people when you knew it was wrong and should never happen?

Well Paul, since both of us have been around it a long time as well as quite a few other posters on here, lets be clear about hockey and the culture that exists around it when winning gets more and more important because there is sizeable money involved.

Q played the pro game and did so for more years than his talent should have allowed. His career outlasted many others of greater skill and talent. He was around many dressing rooms and knows what players and teammates are winners and survive long term and those that don't. And he carried that forward into coaching and has survived firings, DUI's and other stuff. And as a coach, he knows the type of players he wants on his teams - guys like him, committed, all in guys rowing the boat in the same direction as him. Guys like Keith, Toews, Kane, Sharp. In his mind, if those guys get out of line once in a while, so what, big f'n deal. I'm rolling with winners.

So then newbie Kyle Beach comes on the scene and Q is hoping for a big nasty guy he can use and all of a sudden he gets word of a complaint from the kid about a video coach. You just know Q is thinking WTF, why didn't he just beat the sh$t out of that _______ Aldrich. I got no time to deal with this BS, I'm not his mommy.

So while Q is on the hot seat now, he sure isn't a one of a kind NHL coach. The really successful ones have never been sympathetic, understanding guys - Scotty Bowman, Toe Blake, Glen Sather, Pat Burns, Punch Imlach, John Tortorella, Dale Hunter. Those guys didn't offer after hours counselling sessions.

And it wasn't long ago that Mike Babcock got axed and all the terrible things about him as a coach came out. Are the Leafs a better team without him?

Hockey at the NHL level isn't a participation sport. I feel very badly for Beach but he isn't the only guy who has been abused one way or the other over the many decades the NHL has been in business.
- RickJ

I am one of those old guys Rick, but times have changed, and if those coaches used the same tactics today they wouldn’t be coaching that long.

How about doing the right thing for people when you knew it was wrong and should never happen?
- ChicagoHope

Really. The "boys will be boys" bullpoop has to be purged from society. How about being MEN, of integrity?

Wherever the mental skills coach is that was on the 2010 staff should lose whatever license or certifications he has on the spot. The stuff he allegedly told Beach is beyond comprehension. A mental health professional betraying his profession. Just wow.
- bhawks2241

Joke's on you...apparently he was not a licensed doctor

JFC

Joke's on you...apparently he was not a licensed doctor

JFC

- pdx2ord

That goofy "mental skills coach" was a hack, had Beach believing he was at fault for being put in that situation. As you said, JFC