They need movement. They were good when they were moving and the PK’ers were trying to respond. Everybody is a step ahead now because they’re predictable
- Canada Cup

Thats true, but the PKers dont have to cover Marner/Reilly to shoot. Its a huge issue.

Thats true, but the PKers dont have to cover Marner/Reilly to shoot. Its a huge issue.
- Archaic

They had exactly the same people out, even better with Willie and Marner was shooting in the first 3 or 4 games. Get guys out if position for JT, Willie or Matthews

[quote=Archaic]

they can move Marner and Rielly to PP2, but it won't change how they both play when on the Powerplay.. I don't know how Keefe can get these guys to shoot harder or accurately for that matter.

If Keefe takes them off the powerplay completely, then the 2nd unit looks much weaker

[quote=PatC80]


Marner is all pass, shoots like a 13 yr old girl.

Thats true, but the PKers dont have to cover Marner/Reilly to shoot. Its a huge issue.
- Archaic

good point.. Marner is not a threat to score from well, anywhere.. Rielly's got an inferior shot that if the goalie sees it will stop it 10 times out of 10

They had exactly the same people out, even better with Willie and Marner was shooting in the first 3 or 4 games. Get guys out if position for JT, Willie or Matthews
- Canada Cup

Marner on the point is a huge issue, how is that even debatable? He's a big asset to the team, PK and 5 on 5, give him less work, he'll do better. Shooters only at the point on the PP. Willie has a terrific shot, much better choice for the point.

[quote=PatC80]
Worry about PP1, they are fine on PP2.

Marner on the point is a huge issue, how is that even debatable? He's a big asset to the team, PK and 5 on 5, give him less work, he'll do better. Shooters only at the point on the PP. Willie has a terrific shot, much better choice for the point.
- winsix

Put Marner out on the PP with Simmonds and Ritchie. Have them go to the net and make Marner shoot.

Marner on the point is a huge issue, how is that even debatable? He's a big asset to the team, PK and 5 on 5, give him less work, he'll do better. Shooters only at the point on the PP. Willie has a terrific shot, much better choice for the point.
- winsix

This is why I wanted them to trade Reilly and go hard after Hamilton. They have no dman who has a good shot really. I wonder how they might be able to address that need.

Put Marner out on the PP with Simmonds and Ritchie. Have them go to the net and make Marner shoot.
- bixll

bad idea.. Simmonds and Ritchie would always be out of position and behind the play, when Marner's floater bounces off the boards wide of the net.

they can move Marner and Rielly to PP2, but it won't change how they both play when on the Powerplay.. I don't know how Keefe can get these guys to shoot harder or accurately for that matter. If Keefe takes them off the powerplay completely, then the 2nd unit looks much weaker
- PatC80

Moving Marner and Rielly off the first unit completely changes the dynamic of the PP. First of all the second PK on the opposition is likely to be less skilled than the first. I believe it would create more space for the set up guys. And by evening out the two PP units skill-wise, Keefe could also put out the 2nd unit to start if the situation called for it.

This is why I wanted them to trade Reilly and go hard after Hamilton. They have no dman who has a good shot really. I wonder how they might be able to address that need.
- Archaic

At this point, I would just put Muzzin and Matthews on the point for the PP.

Nylander-Tavares-Marner-Matthews-Muzzin.

This is why I wanted them to trade Reilly and go hard after Hamilton. They have no dman who has a good shot really. I wonder how they might be able to address that need.
- Archaic

It's difficult to trade Rielly, Muzzin has a good shot.

Moving Marner and Rielly off the first unit completely changes the dynamic of the PP. First of all the second PK on the opposition is likely to be less skilled than the first. I believe it would create more space for the set up guys. And by evening out the two PP units skill-wise, Keefe could also put out the 2nd unit to start if the situation called for it.
- winsix

Sure, it will change the dynamic of the 1st unit but Rielly and Marner would still be Rielly and Marner. That won't change how they play.

Keefe has to decide if the powerplay would be better without those two guys on either unit

Moving Marner and Rielly off the first unit completely changes the dynamic of the PP. First of all the second PK on the opposition is likely to be less skilled than the first. I believe it would create more space for the set up guys. And by evening out the two PP units skill-wise, Keefe could also put out the 2nd unit to start if the situation called for it.
- winsix

So why did it work when it worked? They were moving. The same guys were skating, moving off and each other a day creating open looks. Now, 5 guys stand in their spots and wait for the puck.

The same guys are doing different things. One thing worked and the other thing doesn’t but moving the number 4 or 5 scorer in the league will fix it. Everybody is in love with the trade somebody or move somebody off a line solution to everything.

It's difficult to trade Rielly, Muzzin has a good shot.
- winsix

I agree... They should try Muzzin.

Maybe; first PP unit;

Bunting-Tavares-Nylander-Matthews-Muzzin

2nd Unit:

Ritchie-Kerfoot-Marner-Sandin-Spezza

[quote=PatC80]
Stop trying to get marner to shoot more on the pp, let him do his thing.
Hes a set up guy that shoot only once in a while

[quote=Fakepartofme]


I don't want Marner to shoot on the PP.. I know his limitations, he's a pass first guy... Just don't put him on the point for the powerplay.. Move Matthews to the point with Muzzin and give that a go.

good point.. Marner is not a threat to score from well, anywhere.. Rielly's got an inferior shot that if the goalie sees it will stop it 10 times out of 10
- PatC80

His 100 plus goals say otherwise
He can score

[quote=PatC80]
Ya, get marner down low

I agree... They should try Muzzin.

Maybe; first PP unit;

Bunting-Tavares-Nylander-Matthews-Muzzin

2nd Unit:

Ritchie-Kerfoot-Marner-Sandin-Spezza
- PatC80

That looks good to me, I think it would make a huge difference. They need to stop worrying about offending Reilly and Marner, and focus on making the team better.

His 100 plus goals say otherwise
He can score
- Fakepartofme

He can for sure, but he scores off the rush. His shot isnt good enough for any team to worry about him on the PP

His 100 plus goals say otherwise
He can score
- Fakepartofme

so, $10.9M per season for a (checks notes...) 20 goal scorer?

I agree... They should try Muzzin.

Maybe; first PP unit;

Bunting-Tavares-Nylander-Matthews-Muzzin

2nd Unit:

Ritchie-Kerfoot-Marner-Sandin-Spezza
- PatC80

Now you're talking and you set up a second unit for success, because opposition's second PK unit is likely not as good as the 1st

That looks good to me, I think it would make a huge difference. They need to stop worrying about offending Reilly and Marner, and focus on making the team better.
- Archaic

Maybe Rielly is playing poorly because he's in a contract year and wants to stay in Toronto? Maybe he's pricing himself into Toronto?