Yeah, it's really kinda BS. Realistically speaking, it was kicked all the way up the chain to McD, and that should have been good enough. As a subordinate, opening their mouths when he did nothing of substance other than tell him to resign probably would have led to their dismissal. You can fault Stan and Q for not removing Aldrich from the equation immediately.

Let's not forget, that we now live in a cancel culture, so logic and objectivity play no part.
- TheTrob

Fully agree.

When McD did nothing it was Stans duty to bring it up to Rocky.
- rtang415

Riiiight.....

Yeah, it's really kinda BS. Realistically speaking, it was kicked all the way up the chain to McD, and that should have been good enough. As a subordinate, opening their mouths when he did nothing of substance other than tell him to resign probably would have led to their dismissal. You can fault Stan and Q for not removing Aldrich from the equation immediately.

Let's not forget, that we now live in a cancel culture, so logic and objectivity play no part.
- TheTrob

Likely a large part of the reason McD is no longer a part of the organization.
Maybe even Q also.

But Stan wasn't just any subordinate (see my earlier response). If Q or Gary, or Chevy or the others in the meeting had hounded McD on it, that's different and I can see your point.
- pdx2ord

Yes, but all still subordinate to a egomaniac.

On another note: Kyle Davidson - Davidson began his career with the Blackhawks as a Hockey Operations Intern in 2010 and was promoted to a full-time role as a Hockey Analytics/Video Analyst the next season.........so, ironically, he took Aldrichs job after Aldrich was let go.

Yeah, it's really kinda BS. Realistically speaking, it was kicked all the way up the chain to McD, and that should have been good enough. As a subordinate, opening their mouths when he did nothing of substance other than tell him to resign probably would have led to their dismissal. You can fault Stan and Q for not removing Aldrich from the equation immediately.

Let's not forget, that we now live in a cancel culture, so logic and objectivity play no part.
- TheTrob

and the so-called cancel culture has nothing to do with expecting that the head of a division of an organization (any organization) would take some personal responsibility for the safety and wellbeing of his/her employees

But Stan wasn't just any subordinate (see my earlier response). If Q or Gary, or Chevy or the others in the meeting had hounded McD on it, that's different and I can see your point.
- pdx2ord

What would that entail?

Yes, but all still subordinate to a egomaniac.

On another note: Kyle Davidson - Davidson began his career with the Blackhawks as a Hockey Operations Intern in 2010 and was promoted to a full-time role as a Hockey Analytics/Video Analyst the next season.........so, ironically, he took Aldrichs job after Aldrich was let go.
- TheTrob

Great irony there

Riiiight.....
- mohel

Yeah I know….

Dang I was really hoping that Q would have said something better. He honestly seems like a genuinely nice and empathetic guy. I get that it was a different, and for him a crazy time. Hopefully he can apologize and move forward, because he honestly doesn’t seem like someone who’d ever wish harm on anyone.
- ObeseOprah

A different standard for Q? Why?

What would that entail?
- mohel

"John, we talked about this a week ago - what has been done? I get the importance putting a positive spin on all messaging around the team, but these are serious allegations and if they are true, more players and others in the org may be harmed. If it gets out that you let this slide, even for a minute, you risk tarnishing the good thing we have going here. So, taking those things into account, I'm going to suspend Aldrich pending an investigation."

and the so-called cancel culture has nothing to do with expecting that the head of a division of an organization (any organization) would take some personal responsibility for the safety and wellbeing of his/her employees
- pdx2ord

Sorry to disagree, but it has everything to do with it.

A different standard for Q? Why?
- mohel

Because Q and everyone else who reported up through Stan could have expected that Stan would represent them should McD need some prodding. They in turn could have, maybe did hound Stan.

So, a manager at the company you work for gets work of a harrassment issue and reports it to his boss, as he should have done. Now there's a new requirement that he tells the boss "despite informing you, I'm gonna need for to handle this fast and report back to me on how it was handled". Seems crazy to me.
- mohel

Interestingly, I just completed my company's sexual harassment training. And I've read all 107 pages of the findings.

I'm going to cut Stan some slack, as he was new to the job and deferred to McD. That said, he did the right thing by stepping down. I'm also going to give Q some leeway, as he seems primarily focused on getting the team through the playoffs, and was not in the entire meeting.

The problem is that when McD heard the story, he was obligated to immediately report to HR what he knew. Pretty obvious he sat on the story until after the playoffs, so as not to introduce the publicity and impact the team's play on the ice.

BTW, the Blackhawk HR department also screwed up royally. on top of paying him severance and a bonus, they gave Aldrich a day with the Cup and had his name engraved on it. The money part is debatable, but Aldrich should ever had his name engraved or been granted a day with the Cup.

This was truly an organizational failure.

Sorry to disagree, but it has everything to do with it.
- mohel

Bullpoop - actions have consequences. Even if it take years for those consequences to be felt. Are you saying that McD and Stan et al did the right thing in this case? Because unless you are, it doesn't fall into irrational "cancelling" of someone.

Great irony there
- pdx2ord

The real irony would be if Davidson was the Blackhawks intern that Aldrich touched back in 2010.

Unfortunately because several people in the organization didn't do the right thing or what was supposed to be expected of them. This team that won multiple Stanley cups. A team that was considered a dynasty and a team and organization that was considered the gold standard that each team and organization achieved to be even downright emulating them. Will be tarnished forever this is truly a sad day for any Blackhawks fan especially the players who worked their tails off to achieve those goals. This organization went from sugar to sh!t real quick.

What would that entail?
- mohel

If McD said he was going to handle it, and started an internal investigation, he's not going to continually report back to Stan. And Stan has to assume some good faith on McD part. So, how long before an internal investigation concludes? At what point in that 3 week span was Stan supposed to go scorched earth because he didn't think things were handled properly?

"John, we talked about this a week ago - what has been done? I get the importance putting a positive spin on all messaging around the team, but these are serious allegations and if they are true, more players and others in the org may be harmed. If it gets out that you let this slide, even for a minute, you risk tarnishing the good thing we have going here. So, taking those things into account, I'm going to suspend Aldrich pending an investigation."
- pdx2ord

In other words, he was required to put his career at serious risk?

and the so-called cancel culture has nothing to do with expecting that the head of a division of an organization (any organization) would take some personal responsibility for the safety and wellbeing of his/her employees
- pdx2ord

The cancel culture has to do with sweeping up everyone in the net regardless of whether they did anything or not. Now, I didn't read all 107 pages of the investigation, but do you know for a fact that Bowman didn't prohibit Aldrich from direct contact with Doe #1 while the allegations were being investigated.

I know in several places where I have been employed cases such as this have taken many months to investigate and determine a course of action. Aldrich was gone shortly after it was reported in comparison.

Because Q and everyone else who reported up through Stan could have expected that Stan would represent them should McD need some prodding. They in turn could have, maybe did hound Stan.
- pdx2ord

Q was allowed to rely on his boss doing the right thing, but Stan isn't?

Wonder if/when McD will have something to say?
- scottak

That wiener is laughing all the way to the bank.

Sorry to disagree, but it has everything to do with it.
- mohel

can I ask what you would have done given that the report is out, we know fact from fiction, this isn't a guessing of the events.......I briefly went through it and it reads like a CYA novel.....Good for the HR director for recalling a lot more then McEgo who came across as a coward for ducking the investigation on the 1st pass.

i am curious how YOU would have handled it?

A different standard for Q? Why?
- mohel

No there isn’t a different standard for Q. I’ve just never heard anything but praise for him from anyone who’s been around him. If he knew about this and did nothing, ala joe paterno, then he’ll be culpable. I don’t know what I expect to happen after that, but part of the onus would be on him. It sounds like he did know, if we believe Stan’s statement. This doesn’t mean he’s a bad person, everyone makes mistakes, even brutal ones like this.

The cancel culture has to do with sweeping up everyone in the net regardless of whether they did anything or not. Now, I didn't read all 107 pages of the investigation, but do you know for a fact that Bowman didn't prohibit Aldrich from direct contact with Doe #1 while the allegations were being investigated.

I know in several places where I have been employed cases such as this have taken many months to investigate and determine a course of action. Aldrich was gone shortly after it was reported in comparison.
- TheTrob

OK, you and I have a different definition of cancel culture. I've seen it used pejoratively more frequently to excuse the behavior of one person now being held accountable for past actions, regardless of what he or she did, because "that was so long ago," or "boys will be boys" etc. etc.

I understand how you describe it is a bad thing. The report did say that Aldrich was allowed to continue working, hang around the team, attend functions, and party during the cup celebrations, during which time he made an unwanted sexual advance on a 22-year-old intern.

Bullpoop - actions have consequences. Even if it take years for those consequences to be felt. Are you saying that McD and Stan et al did the right thing in this case? Because unless you are, it doesn't fall into irrational "cancelling" of someone.
- pdx2ord

Making up a new rule retroactively is what cancel culture is all about. Stan did the right thing according to employee manuals everywhere - he sent the complaint to his boss. He lost his job anyway. That is cancel culture in my book.