Just like you, I met him once. Got the same impression as you.
- mohel

I have met him many times, and the impression is accurate.

Sad part is, there will be no repercussions for him. He has more than enough wealth to disappear and never be heard from, though his own ego will take a big hit with his name being tied to this fiasco forever and constantly being mentioned.

Always easy to do the "right thing" (which is already in excess of what is required) when it isn't your enormous paycheck on the line.
- mohel

A quote from one of America’s best song writers…

“My daddy told me, I believe he told me true, that the right thing’s always the hardest thing to do…”

It’s absolutely easier for us to say it, than for Stan to do it, but it’s high time we all start demanding more, especially from those in positions of power.

Here’s another quote, Canadian this time…

“And the men who hold high places must be the ones who start…”

https://twitter.com/frank.../1453075094239121408?s=20

Does Q survive this?

It is a tough read.

From the report, it appears no action was taken by the leadership committee in the May 23 meeting against Aldrich until after the Cup win, on June 14. No separation from the team or Black Aces.

In the meantime, Aldrich touched a 22-year old intern in the crouch and tried to get the intern to go to his apartment after a celebration party on June 10. The intern fought off Aldrich but had he not, it would have been an even worse situation for the Hawks.

From the report, it appears Aldrich may have had a lot of power over the Black Aces since he was a direct conduit to Q. Ripe for abusing power.
- Popsghostly

Damn that’s messed up. Imagine working your way through the leagues for your entire childhood just to have this monster lording his power over you when you’re on the cusp of being set for life. I hope this guy gets the book thrown at him.

These were *their* rules, to which I'd assume each employee of the organization was expected to abide:


It seems you and others have the rules you've decided should be adhered to- to paraphrase: you need only report it to your superior and at that point you have done your duty. That seems more chain-of-command and militaristic in nature to me, which, of course, some organizations prefer.

Some of the rest of us have operated under different types of rules at Fortune 100 or other companies where every employee is expected to take responsibility for doing the right thing in these situations. Yes, that means Stan would have had to leapfrog McD and take it to Wirtz (the standard protocol under these types of rules).

Not sure how the Hawks approach that rule above and since we don't know (maybe it's in the report?), hard to know whether Stan and the others were rightfully held accountable.
- pdx2ord

Please point to where in the part you quoted it says or suggests that Stan was responsible for doing the investigation.

Also, some of us have also worked for large Forune 100 companies, which have employee manuals that state specifically that the manager's responsibility is to report the issue to their boss. They do not authorize or require the manager to ensure that the rest of the company does their job. What happened to Stan was that the rules were changed after the fact. Eleven years after. That ain't right.

Was that Fortune 100 thing "womansplaining"?

It is a tough read.

From the report, it appears no action was taken by the leadership committee in the May 23 meeting against Aldrich until after the Cup win, on June 14. No separation from the team or Black Aces.

In the meantime, Aldrich touched a 22-year old intern in the crouch and tried to get the intern to go to his apartment after a celebration party on June 10. The intern fought off Aldrich but had he not, it would have been an even worse situation for the Hawks.

From the report, it appears Aldrich may have had a lot of power over the Black Aces since he was a direct conduit to Q. Ripe for abusing power.
- Popsghostly

Damn that’s messed up. Imagine working your way through the leagues for your entire childhood just to have this monster lording his power over you when you’re on the cusp of being set for life. I hope this guy gets the book thrown at him.

This is a really bad take. And in response to what Stan should have done lest he lose his job...I bring you this quote:

"Character is the moral strength to do the right thing even when it costs more than you want to pay." ~ Michael Josephson

It sure ain't easy, but yeah, there are consequences to actions, even if they are non-actions and even if they are delayed. We are losing sight of what happened and boiling it down to corporate action. That's not the point. John Doe was assaulted. It doesn't matter what corporate "steps" were taken. It matters that a law was broken and Stan did just enough to cover his arse for 11 years. It's BS and yes, those players should be cut, as well.
- CanOCorn

What law was broken?

https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1453075094239121408?s=20

Does Q survive this?
- LAHawk

Not sure, it is a performance evaluation for his coaching duties outside of his personal life.

Always easy to do the "right thing" (which is already in excess of what is required) when it isn't your enormous paycheck on the line.
- mohel

Thinking out loud....is it fair to wonder why Q and/or Bowman wouldnt have approached Aldirch after that meeting in the UC and asked him about it? Read the room....make their own minds up....I mean I get they just got to the cup final but if memory serves correctly....they had almost a week off in between the end of San Jose series and beginning of the Philly series. OR talk to the black ace? Pull him aside and ask him? At least let him know they are addressing it? I think that's VERY fair to ask.....

You, me, anyone when you hear something as serious as what Vincent brought forth, is likely staring at this guy like WTF??? Especially knowing that Torts AND Haviland both knew after Vincent blew the whistle.....talk about an elephant in the room....I just don't see how at some point, that conversation isn't addressed as they had time...

They failed at this and it shows. We can argue semantics all day long....

What law was broken?
- TheTrob

Aldrich sexually assaulted John Doe. That's assault, brother!

Not sure, it is a performance evaluation for his coaching duties outside of his personal life.
- Popsghostly

interesting that Q says Aldrich would be “more efficient in a separate environment"

Aldrich sexually assaulted John Doe. That's assault, brother!
- CanOCorn

Dependent on the victim bringing Sexual assault charges against him. As an employer, the Hawks were responsible for sexual harassment allegations and any employer related ramification. They could have advised John Doe to file a criminal complaint against Aldrich, they could not do it for him since he was an adult.

I have met him many times, and the impression is accurate.

Sad part is, there will be no repercussions for him. He has more than enough wealth to disappear and never be heard from, though his own ego will take a big hit with his name being tied to this fiasco forever and constantly being mentioned.
- TheTrob

Oh he's getting his.....saw a tweet by Jesse Rogers mentioning how McDonough had pulled the wool over so many......everyone knew he was a jag, but to what extent? Now the WHOLE WORLD knows....

Nobody loved taking credit like John McDonough and really....in the end....do they win without him being hired after WWW died? No idea....he did a lot of great things on the business side, but his constant meddling, and ego was his vice.....and now with this report.....for all the accolades he got (rightfully so) he know has this to balance it out (rightfully so)

I just hope Rozner is OK....Nobody in the media took hook, line and sinker from McDonough more so than Barry.....

A quote from one of America’s best song writers…

“My daddy told me, I believe he told me true, that the right thing’s always the hardest thing to do…”

It’s absolutely easier for us to say it, than for Stan to do it, but it’s high time we all start demanding more, especially from those in positions of power.

Here’s another quote, Canadian this time…

“And the men who hold high places must be the ones who start…”
- Ogilthorpe2

Sounds good to me. Whatever the standard, let's apply prospectively.

Looking forward, I would like to see Kevin Weekes as VP of hockey operations or GM

Please point to where in the part you quoted it says or suggests that Stan was responsible for doing the investigation.

Also, some of us have also worked for large Forune 100 companies, which have employee manuals that state specifically that the manager's responsibility is to report the issue to their boss. They do not authorize or require the manager to ensure that the rest of the company does their job. What happened to Stan was that the rules were changed after the fact. Eleven years after. That ain't right.

Was that Fortune 100 thing "womansplaining"?
- mohel

Nope, and if it came across that way, sorry. Just saying that there are multiple approaches to implementing an accountability policy like that in different orgs. Some prefer the command/control/hierarchy rules approach (like it seems you do) and others treat it like a shared responsibility where employees are expected to go above their direct supervisor if the person to whom they reported the situation isn't acting as prescribed.

Since we don't know (unless it's in the report) which the Blackhawks expected, then it's hard to know if Stanley met the expectations of their rule.

Looking forward, I would like to see Kevin Weekes as VP of hockey operations or GM
- LAHawk

That guy knows so much hockey (the game as well as the players themselves). I'm with you on this.

A quote from one of America’s best song writers…

“My daddy told me, I believe he told me true, that the right thing’s always the hardest thing to do…”

It’s absolutely easier for us to say it, than for Stan to do it, but it’s high time we all start demanding more, especially from those in positions of power.

Here’s another quote, Canadian this time…

“And the men who hold high places must be the ones who start…”
- Ogilthorpe2

Peart what a loss. so sad hes gone way too soon.

From the Blackhawks:
https://www.nhl.com/news/c-327256644

Dependent on the victim bringing Sexual assault charges against him. As an employer, the Hawks were responsible for sexual harassment allegations and any employer related ramification. They could have advised John Doe to file a criminal complaint against Aldrich, they could not do it for him since he was an adult.
- TheTrob

I appreciate you and some others defending this team and a bowman or Q but I think that time has come to an end. There is no spinning this.....yes said person was an "adult" but now reading through this thing.....there's no denying who knew what and when....and the Hawks chose to not bring a dark light on to themselves during their cup run and infancy stages of the rebuild vs morally doing what was best for the player and team long term.....tunnel vision.....and the media has every right to question the past and I am sure 19/88 will need podiums on road trips when/if they are available to media...especially Toews.....not fair on them to shoulder it all, and I am sure Keith in a Canadian market will also be poked.

It sucks....but the best way to handle this thing TODAY....I feel they did....and I hope they settle with this ex player and the hs kid, and move on. I can see Q and Chevy at best having 50/50 odds at survival....Chevy probably less due to a Canadian market.....and it sucks for a lot of these guys that John McDonough will end up being THE reason they are black balled from hockey for life...but I bet all will admit today they should have/could have done more......

They are either going to rally around this and bounce back or fall into the depths of hell. No idea which way they will go but I don’t see it going any way but 1 of those 2. Massive off ice distraction and every city they go to what do you think local media will ask 19 and 88 about?
- SteveRain

They won't have to say anything. That's why they're in covid protocol right PE?

It is a tough read.

From the report, it appears no action was taken by the leadership committee in the May 23 meeting against Aldrich until after the Cup win, on June 14. No separation from the team or Black Aces.

In the meantime, Aldrich touched a 22-year old intern in the crouch and tried to get the intern to go to his apartment after a celebration party on June 10. The intern fought off Aldrich but had he not, it would have been an even worse situation for the Hawks.

From the report, it appears Aldrich may have had a lot of power over the Black Aces since he was a direct conduit to Q. Ripe for abusing power.
- Popsghostly

yikes, sounds like this has morphed into the Penn State scandal except involving adults rather than kids. sad sad day.

hello theo

Looking forward, I would like to see Kevin Weekes as VP of hockey operations or GM
- LAHawk

I heard Boyle on the radio....he gave out 2 names

Jim Rutherford
or
Marian Hossa

They need a fresh set of eyes on this team and job has to be intriguing as you can bring in your entire staff and easily replace a coach who has only this job as his experience.

Just have to consider the negativity publicity associated with all this as a deterrent. Nobody here knows how powerful that could be.....I wouldn't expect any major moves until the season is over.

I heard Boyle on the radio....he gave out 2 names

Jim Rutherford
or
Marian Hossa

They need a fresh set of eyes on this team and job has to be intriguing as you can bring in your entire staff and easily replace a coach who has only this job as his experience.

Just have to consider the negativity publicity associated with all this as a deterrent. Nobody here knows how powerful that could be.....I wouldn't expect any major moves until the season is over.
- SteveRain

i think he would be a decent pick up.