On a lighter note I am somewhat hopeful about the interim GM being able to fire Colliton and get someone different in. The team is only 6 games in, so it’s not completely lost. A couple wins, get the guys some confidence and suddenly the team that looked good on paper might actually start giving us hope.

Why doesn't Bergevin’s name ever come up? Wasn’t he still around in 2010?
- Ogilthorpe2

Great post. No idea.

I don't think that is what minimum means...

You get fired for doing less than the minimum.
- mohel

The minimum in my book is being a decent human being. If that means going above and beyond the legal definition of minimum, so be it.

#ASF

On a lighter note I am somewhat hopeful about the interim GM being able to fire Colliton and get someone different in. The team is only 6 games in, so it’s not completely lost. A couple wins, get the guys some confidence and suddenly the team that looked good on paper might actually start giving us hope.
- ObeseOprah

They are either going to rally around this and bounce back or fall into the depths of hell. No idea which way they will go but I don’t see it going any way but 1 of those 2. Massive off ice distraction and every city they go to what do you think local media will ask 19 and 88 about?

I am going to read all 107 pages and draw my own conclusion. From what I read so far I enjoyed mcegos selective memory and the HR head putting him in his place over and over again. Wish we had video on that ass bag slivering one his chair when the investigator came back.

Just glad McDonoigh will never run another sports team or company again. Ever.
- SteveRain

Just like you, I met him once. Got the same impression as you.

John Doe was an adult. No law against him being at Aldrich's apartment. If you read Aldrich's statement, he says it was consensual, Doe's statement says it wasn't.

In hindsight it's pretty clear what should have been done, at the time it's he-said/she-said and unfortunately they never come to quick easy solutions.
- TheTrob

It looks as if John Doe lost a chance at his lifelong dream because of this. He did the right thing by going thru the organization. The organization failed him.

John Doe 2 was a minor, I wonder if that was consensual

A little different. JoePa was more than just the coach, he knew of everything going on and also had a huge say in what the university was doing. Incidents of abuse were reported directly to JoePa and he ignored it. Now, if you say it was reported to the University president and Joe Pa was aware and did nothing when the university didn't respond, it would be similar.

Remove personal Bias from the equation. Q is beloved so he gets a different benefit of the doubt as opposed to the hated McD and Stan? If Q gets to absolve himself because Stan knew, then Stan should get to absolve himself because McD knew
- TheTrob

And you had minors involved at penn state. Only 1 game a year I pull for Ohio state is when they play penn state.

John Doe was an adult. No law against him being at Aldrich's apartment. If you read Aldrich's statement, he says it was consensual, Doe's statement says it wasn't.

In hindsight it's pretty clear what should have been done, at the time it's he-said/she-said and unfortunately they never come to quick easy solutions.
- TheTrob

But it is a problem when Doe says that it was not consensual. So if Doe is at the apartment, then there is a possibility that Doe is telling the truth. And an investigation ensues. But then you have the she said/he said and does anything result. This is only a case now because Aldrich got caught somewhere else.
And to be honest, John M did take care of it, but not in a timely manner. Why could he just say it was under investigation, but i thought one of the other glitches. Some one gave this douchebag Aldrich a positive recommendation. ouch

Great post. No idea.
- SteveRain

Think someone mentioned it above, Bergevin wasn't in that epic meeting on May 23 where they discussed Gary's report about Aldritch and John Doe.

Just like you, I met him once. Got the same impression as you.
- mohel

I wonder how his mouth piece uncle Barry rozner is handling today?

Another raging ass hat

While we are changing the rules retroactively....what about the players who harrassed the victims the next year in training camp? Should they be kicked out of the league? And did Q ever hear any of that? If so, what did he do about it?[/img]

I am going to read all 107 pages and draw my own conclusion. From what I read so far I enjoyed mcegos selective memory and the HR head putting him in his place over and over again. Wish we had video on that ass bag slivering one his chair when the investigator came back.

Just glad McDonoigh will never run another sports team or company again. Ever.
- SteveRain

I think a lot was due to him and his "marketing" at all costs (my opinion)

Most hockey players/coaches dont know or quite frankly care about the HR/office world. They just play hockey

That dude was a snake and I'm certain he was orchestrating all this

Think someone mentioned it above, Bergevin wasn't in that epic meeting on May 23 where they discussed Gary's report about Aldritch and John Doe.
- Popsghostly

Still, I find it hard to believe he didn’t find out about it shortly after the meeting.

But it is a problem when Doe says that it was not consensual. So if Doe is at the apartment, then there is a possibility that Doe is telling the truth. And an investigation ensues. But then you have the she said/he said and does anything result. This is only a case now because Aldrich got caught somewhere else.
And to be honest, John M did take care of it, but not in a timely manner. Why could he just say it was under investigation, but i thought one of the other glitches. Some one gave this douchebag Aldrich a positive recommendation. ouch
- Topshelf2010

The recommendation was not supported by anyone interviewed in the report. Page 63:

"None of the witnesses we interviewed
recalled anyone at the Blackhawks providing a written or verbal reference for
Aldrich to his future employers. When interviewed, Aldrich stated that he did
not list any Blackhawks employees as references on job applications, nor did
he ask anyone from the Blackhawks to vouch for him or make any calls on his
behalf.622 "

Think someone mentioned it above, Bergevin wasn't in that epic meeting on May 23 where they discussed Gary's report about Aldritch and John Doe.
- Popsghostly

Yeah I need to read it all.

If hindsight is 20/20 you suspend Aldrich after the game 4 meeting and start an investigation. He never was accessible to media. When you find out it was legit you announce it and move on.

Do hawks win the cup those last 6 games without a dedicated video coach? No clue.

That was THE play…again all in hindsight.

The minimum in my book is being a decent human being. If that means going above and beyond the legal definition of minimum, so be it.

#ASF
- Ogilthorpe2

I agree...especially when you see him at the parade and having his day with the cup. The minimum...is okay I got this off my things to do list. The right thing to do is march into MCD's office and say....if you don't immediately remove him I'm resigning immediately.

The recommendation was not supported by anyone interviewed in the report. Page 63:

"None of the witnesses we interviewed
recalled anyone at the Blackhawks providing a written or verbal reference for
Aldrich to his future employers. When interviewed, Aldrich stated that he did
not list any Blackhawks employees as references on job applications, nor did
he ask anyone from the Blackhawks to vouch for him or make any calls on his
behalf.622 "
- Popsghostly

thanks for the info and correcting my perception. i thought i read that earlier in the year.

I think a lot was due to him and his "marketing" at all costs (my opinion)

Most hockey players/coaches dont know or quite frankly care about the HR/office world. They just play hockey

That dude was a snake and I'm certain he was orchestrating all this
- PatShart

I laugh all the time now as I see player interviews with hats on backwards. I imagine McEgo watching those and losing his mind as it was major pet peeve of his.

Such a jag. I don’t know one person who met him and liked him.

While we are changing the rules retroactively....what about the players who harrassed the victims the next year in training camp? Should they be kicked out of the league? And did Q ever hear any of that? If so, what did he do about it?
- mohel[/img]

These were *their* rules, to which I'd assume each employee of the organization was expected to abide:


It seems you and others have the rules you've decided should be adhered to- to paraphrase: you need only report it to your superior and at that point you have done your duty. That seems more chain-of-command and militaristic in nature to me, which, of course, some organizations prefer.

Some of the rest of us have operated under different types of rules at Fortune 100 or other companies where every employee is expected to take responsibility for doing the right thing in these situations. Yes, that means Stan would have had to leapfrog McD and take it to Wirtz (the standard protocol under these types of rules).

Not sure how the Hawks approach that rule above and since we don't know (maybe it's in the report?), hard to know whether Stan and the others were rightfully held accountable.

I agree...especially when you see him at the parade and having his day with the cup. The minimum...is okay I got this off my things to do list. The right thing to do is march into MCD's office and say....if you don't immediately remove him I'm resigning immediately.
- NamedSources

Always easy to do the "right thing" (which is already in excess of what is required) when it isn't your enormous paycheck on the line.

Always easy to do the "right thing" (which is already in excess of what is required) when it isn't your enormous paycheck on the line.
- mohel

You don't know what was required under the Blackhawks policy and neither do any of us.

While we are changing the rules retroactively....what about the players who harrassed the victims the next year in training camp? Should they be kicked out of the league? And did Q ever hear any of that? If so, what did he do about it?
- mohel[/img]

This is a really bad take. And in response to what Stan should have done lest he lose his job...I bring you this quote:

"Character is the moral strength to do the right thing even when it costs more than you want to pay." ~ Michael Josephson

It sure ain't easy, but yeah, there are consequences to actions, even if they are non-actions and even if they are delayed. We are losing sight of what happened and boiling it down to corporate action. That's not the point. John Doe was assaulted. It doesn't matter what corporate "steps" were taken. It matters that a law was broken and Stan did just enough to cover his arse for 11 years. It's BS and yes, those players should be cut, as well.

They let him:

1. Stay on after said allegations…

2. Participate in parade…

3. Got his name on the cup….

4. Got his day with the cup….

Whoever signed off on those 4 points knowing the allegations is unacceptable….

Disgusting….

Exhale….

Yeah I need to read it all.

If hindsight is 20/20 you suspend Aldrich after the game 4 meeting and start an investigation. He never was accessible to media. When you find out it was legit you announce it and move on.

Do hawks win the cup those last 6 games without a dedicated video coach? No clue.

That was THE play…again all in hindsight.
- SteveRain

It is a tough read.

From the report, it appears no action was taken by the leadership committee in the May 23 meeting against Aldrich until after the Cup win, on June 14. No separation from the team or Black Aces.

In the meantime, Aldrich touched a 22-year old intern in the crouch and tried to get the intern to go to his apartment after a celebration party on June 10. The intern fought off Aldrich but had he not, it would have been an even worse situation for the Hawks.

From the report, it appears Aldrich may have had a lot of power over the Black Aces since he was a direct conduit to Q. Ripe for abusing power.

They let him:

1. Stay on after said allegations…

2. Participate in parade…

3. Got his name on the cup….

4. Got his day with the cup….

Whoever signed off on those 4 points knowing the allegations is unacceptable….

Disgusting….

Exhale….
- mike7076

I posted earlier. 3 & 4 were approved by a woman in HR (don't remember if she was the head of HR) after Aldrich asked her for those 2 items.