Sabres defense looks better without Risto. Hagg even looks somewhat solid.
- hello it's me 2050

I always thought Hagg was solid. For a 6th defenseman I thought he was a good steady player that provided some physicality. Never figured out why he got ragged on so much. He may end up being the best player that they got rid of this off season based on how everyone else is doing. He was the one I wanted to part with the least. Myers was a question mark too, but he isn't off to a good start in Smashville.

Not up to your level of Genius.
Why don't you explain to me why he is a blue chipper then.
I know two years blah blah blah.

I can remember a few really nice passes a few years back where I thought wow great vision and puck skills not so much recently.

We van check the tale of the tape end of year.
My bet will be, he barely gets a cup of coffee this year.
- konalover711

This is the danger with solely relying on drafting and developing. At the time, Hextall said every one of his scouts wanted Frost and thought he would be the real deal, so Hextall made the trade with St. Louis for Schenn. Frost's first 2 years in the OHL after being drafted were outstanding, and he did very well for Canada in the U20s. After that Frost played half a season in LHV and did well, didn't blow anyone away but held his own. However since then Frost's game has not translated to the NHL, and at least part of the reason was a serious shoulder injury that caused him to miss all of last season. So far this year has not gone well for him, not in the Flyers pre-season or in LHV. But its way too early to evaluate Frost as an NHL player. Sure some great minor league players never translate their games to the NHL, and its possible that is the case with Frost, but we need more time. How much more time? I would say this entire season. If come Feb-Mar Frost is not banging hard on the door to be called up to the Flyers, I would say its fair to wonder if he ever will.

I always thought Hagg was solid. For a 6th defenseman I thought he was a good steady player that provided some physicality. Never figured out why he got ragged on so much. He may end up being the best player that they got rid of this off season based on how everyone else is doing. He was the one I wanted to part with the least. Myers was a question mark too, but he isn't off to a good start in Smashville.
- Phillywhiteout

Never figured out how he got ragged on so much lol, he was in the lineup over ghost and people lost their minds.

Farabee and Coots got extensions that kick in. That's the part of the equation you're missing.
- Tomahawk

I factored them both in, and still there will be money to spend if needed.

6M for Giroux and 6M for Ristolainen. That's 12M of the 13M right there. Sure maybe they can move JVR without taking cap back but at what cost? They had to give up a 2nd and a 7th to move Gostisbehere. Hey, what's another 2nd round pick. Then you and others can complain that the Flyers don't hit on picks after the first round.
- MJL

I would just be happy if the Flyers hit on their 1st round picks consistently! Is there really a big difference between a 2nd and 3rd round pick? The data says no. And the way RR is playing so far, he will be hard pressed to find anyone to pay him what he is making now. If the Flyers go to $6M for RR I would hope its because he proved himself this year to be a solid top 4 Dman.

they knew patrick wasnt going to play, and thats why they signed hayes
- bradster

I think they thought Patrick was not ready to be a 2C so they would ease him in at 3C and let him develop, thus the Flyers had a hole at 2C, and clearly AV wanted Hayes to fill it. As it turned out, Patrick could not even secure the 3C spot, which meant more holes to fill.

I always thought Hagg was solid. For a 6th defenseman I thought he was a good steady player that provided some physicality. Never figured out why he got ragged on so much. He may end up being the best player that they got rid of this off season based on how everyone else is doing. He was the one I wanted to part with the least. Myers was a question mark too, but he isn't off to a good start in Smashville.
- Phillywhiteout

I am not a Hagg fan. His physicality was overrated imo as he hit guys after he got beat most times. Funny thing is he was I wont say an offensive dman in sweden but came over and played a diff game. He changed his game completely. Maybe Bill can chime in as to why.

I dont miss him at all. Though he looks better in buffalo. Though from an analytics view him and Risto were 2 of the worst dman in the league.

I factored them both in, and still there will be plenty of money to spend if needed.
- jd250

Flyers have $14mil in cap space for next season according to Capfriendly. That's before G and Risto's contracts. So they will not have a ton of money unless they move JVR or another salary. They will have two open D slots and a backup goalie.

I am not a Hagg fan. His physicality was overrated imo as he hit guys after he got beat most times. Funny thing is he was I wont say an offensive dman in sweden but came over and played a diff game. He changed his game completely. Maybe Bill can chime in as to why.

I dont miss him at all. Though he looks better in buffalo.
- hello it's me 2050

He changed his game because that’s how he was going to make the NHL, look at a guy like Laughton. Turned himself into a 200 foot hard nosed bottom 6 guy.

I am not a Hagg fan. His physicality was overrated imo as he hit guys after he got beat most times. Funny thing is he was I wont say an offensive dman in sweden but came over and played a diff game. He changed his game completely. Maybe Bill can chime in as to why.

I dont miss him at all. Though he looks better in buffalo.
- hello it's me 2050

I wasnt a fan of his constant passes to the other team, it was awful

Oh boy, here we go with the bad team excuses. It seems to me if a player at the AHL level is actually destined to be a full time NHL player that he would dominate at the AHL no matter what type of team he is on. Granted, he has a coach probably telling the players to go out there and work hard with no structure, but you'd think he'd score at least once in 4 or 5 games(or whatever he's played in).
- Phillywhiteout

Without that player missing a full calendar year of hockey, I might agree with you. I would disagree that there is no team structure. Frost deserves to be given time before being labeled a bust.

I am not a Hagg fan. His physicality was overrated imo as he hit guys after he got beat most times. Funny thing is he was I wont say an offensive dman in sweden but came over and played a diff game. He changed his game completely. Maybe Bill can chime in as to why.

I dont miss him at all. Though he looks better in buffalo.
- hello it's me 2050

I'm not Bill, but I would say that he had to change his game to play in a higher level league. I'm guessing that the NHL is a much better league than the one he played in over in Sweden. I thought he was steady, but perhaps I just liked the fact that he was a defender that actually threw body checks. He now leads Risto 1-0 in the goals for category.

Flyers have $14mil in cap space for next season according to Capfriendly. That's before G and Risto's contracts. So they will not have a ton of money unless they move JVR or another salary. They will have two open D slots and a backup goalie.
- mickel25

Yes, I guess so. Almost makes it imperative to trade JVR to free up space, and hope that York and/or Zamula are ready to fill in at least 1 of the 2 D spots. Hart will be 24, probably needs more time with a veteran backup so that will cost a bit. Still, the Flyers are not in cap jail, they will have at least some room to maneuver, lets just hope that some of our younger players can play in the NHL next year.

He changed his game because that’s how he was going to make the NHL, look at a guy like Laughton. Turned himself into a 200 foot hard nosed bottom 6 guy.
- ClaudeFather

He completely abandoned his offensive instincts. You can change or adapt your game without getting rid of other aspects.

Laughton wasn't projected to be a scorer or a top 6 center.

This is the danger with solely relying on drafting and developing. At the time, Hextall said every one of his scouts wanted Frost and thought he would be the real deal, so Hextall made the trade with St. Louis for Schenn. Frost's first 2 years in the OHL after being drafted were outstanding, and he did very well for Canada in the U20s. After that Frost played half a season in LHV and did well, didn't blow anyone away but held his own. However since then Frost's game has not translated to the NHL, and at least part of the reason was a serious shoulder injury that caused him to miss all of last season. So far this year has not gone well for him, not in the Flyers pre-season or in LHV. But its way too early to evaluate Frost as an NHL player. Sure some great minor league players never translate their games to the NHL, and its possible that is the case with Frost, but we need more time. How much more time? I would say this entire season. If come Feb-Mar Frost is not banging hard on the door to be called up to the Flyers, I would say its fair to wonder if he ever will.
- jd250

Nobody has suggested that the team solely rely on drafting and developing.
Secondly, you are insinuating that Hextall made the Schenn trade because he wanted to draft Frost? He made the Schenn traded because he got an offer that was too good to refuse.
The rest concerning Frost, I agree with.

Without that player missing a full calendar year of hockey, I might agree with you. I would disagree that there is no team structure. Frost deserves to be given time before being labeled a bust.
- MJL

I haven't labeled him a bust as of yet, but my concerns are growing that he may be headed in that direction. My biggest concern pertaining to him is the fact that I wasn't impressed with his play before he was injured. He had a few good games and showed flashes, and then he seemed to disappear.

Without that player missing a full calendar year of hockey, I might agree with you. I would disagree that there is no team structure. Frost deserves to be given time before being labeled a bust.
- MJL

Can you prove it? Have you watched any phantoms games?

Never figured out how he got ragged on so much lol, he was in the lineup over ghost and people lost their minds.
- ClaudeFather

Haag played well defensively and was physical. The issue was he did not handle the puck well and did not aid the transition game. His last year as a Flyers in particular, he was really bad with the puck. I didn't mind him as a depth defenseman.

I factored them both in, and still there will be money to spend if needed.
- jd250

You didn't factor them in. If you did you would've known that your math was incorrect. You are banking on the Flyers being able to move JVR without taking salary back. If they can do that, they will have some money to spend.

Nobody has suggested that the team solely rely on drafting and developing.
Secondly, you are insinuating that Hextall made the Schenn trade because he wanted to draft Frost? He made the Schenn traded because he got an offer that was too good to refuse.
The rest concerning Frost, I agree with.
- MJL

No he traded Schenn because he was gifted the #2 pick then took his hometown boy Patrick. The smartest guy in the room don't look so smart now.

They dont get that pic I bet he doesn't trade Schenn

He completely abandoned his offensive instincts. You can change or adapt your game without getting rid of other aspects.

Laughton wasn't projected to be a scorer or a top 6 center.
- hello it's me 2050

And Hagg was projected to be an offensive hugger? Go read some of the prospect analysis, it’s all over the board on the guy, some like his offense some don’t

Haag played well defensively and was physical. The issue was he did not handle the puck well and did not aid the transition game. His last year as a Flyers in particular, he was really bad with the puck. I didn't mind him as a depth defenseman.
- MJL

He didn't play well defensively. Get out of here with that crap. He played physical because he was often chasing and got beat.

No he traded Schenn because he was gifted the #2 pick then took his hometown boy Patrick. The smartest guy in the room don't look so smart now.

They dont get that pic I bet he doesn't trade Schenn
- hello it's me 2050

I thought Schenn was traded before they were gifted that pick? Or am I mistaken?

I would just be happy if the Flyers hit on their 1st round picks consistently! Is there really a big difference between a 2nd and 3rd round pick? The data says no. And the way RR is playing so far, he will be hard pressed to find anyone to pay him what he is making now. If the Flyers go to $6M for RR I would hope its because he proved himself this year to be a solid top 4 Dman.
- jd250

What is the definition of hitting on their first round picks consistently. Percentage wise, where do the Flyers rank in terms of hitting on their first rounders?

Are you giving up on Ristolainen already? He checks all the boxes! Ristolainen has played the way he has played so far his entire career yet a team was willing to give up a 1st, 2nd and a roster player for him. There was also a reported 7 teams interested.

I think they thought Patrick was not ready to be a 2C so they would ease him in at 3C and let him develop, thus the Flyers had a hole at 2C, and clearly AV wanted Hayes to fill it. As it turned out, Patrick could not even secure the 3C spot, which meant more holes to fill.
- jd250

Correct. The Hayes signing had nothing to do with Patrick's migraine issues. That had not developed at the time.