He could also very easily say, give me 3-4 yrs like Lindgren got, for like 6 a year…and then get his 10 mill a year after that deal ends

Honestly. I think that’s what happens. Any other player maybe not, but Fox doesn’t appear to be greedy whatsoever


- Slimtj100

Please don't take this the wrong way as i am in no way trying to start a fight or troll you. I think it would be more likely that he would quit hockey and pursue a career in finding sasquatch than it would be for him to give up $12-$16m to be a team player. That's alotta chedder to turn down, even for someone trying to give a hometown discount

That offer may have already been on the table and Fox wants to wait. I'm pretty concerned about it honestly.
- JRR1285

As much as I don't want to do this, there's a non zero chance you might have to bridge Fox. I can't see the team being able to sign a long term 10 million deal with the cap right now.

Please don't take this the wrong way as i am in no way trying to start a fight or troll you. I think it would be more likely that he would quit hockey and pursue a career in finding sasquatch than it would be for him to give up $12-$16m to be a team player. That's alotta chedder to turn down, even for someone trying to give a hometown discount
- picklerick

Nah I’m done fighting

Players are different now tho. We see it all the time (discounts I mean). Especially with the covid cap. That why in 3 yrs he could still get that huge payday.

And maybe you go to 7 mill a year and I’m sure he’d be ok with it. 21 mill before he gets another 80 mill on top of that either way, he’s gonna be a rich man

Nah I’m done fighting

Players are different now tho. We see it all the time (discounts I mean). Especially with the covid cap. That why in 3 yrs he could still get that huge payday.

And maybe you go to 7 mill a year and I’m sure he’d be ok with it. 21 mill before he gets another 80 mill on top of that either way, he’s gonna be a rich man
- Slimtj100

i just don't see him forgoing the security of $9-$10m per year over 8 seasons for a bridge deal that he could get injured or in any way drive down his value during.

As much as I don't want to do this, there's a non zero chance you might have to bridge Fox. I can't see the team being able to sign a long term 10 million deal with the cap right now.
- 2sticks1puck

My question to you is… how much do you think youre saving by bridging Fox? Market value is market value, just cause you want to use the term “bridge” doesnt mean he will take less money. A bridge on Fox will have some serious long term repercussion.

i just don't see him forgoing the security of $9-$10m per year over 8 seasons for a bridge deal that he could get injured or in any way drive down his value during.
- picklerick

I do haha. A Ranger for life is his dream. 4 yrs - 24 mill is still quite the pretty penny, and it’s not really a bridge deal. I’m not sure how the bridge rules work, but he’ll be 28 at the end of that deal and would be a UFA at its end right? Whatever deal he gets should be short enough where it benefits him to when his next contract is a UFA. He ain’t getting hosed in this at all lol. That’s how the smart athletes think..give me two big contacts instead of one fat one (ie A-roid). He has to work with team too with it

I really think this is going to be very smooth sailing contract and somewhat relieving to what we expect him to get.

Vince Z. Mercogliano
@vzmercogliano
K'Andre Miller and Jacob Trouba have been solid defensively, limiting opponents to just 0.71 GA/60 and 23.83 SA/60. But is there even more in the tank for the D pair?

That, plus tonight's #NYR lineup, all here ➡️ https://lohud.com/story/s...lockdown-pair/6173092001/

Vince Z. Mercogliano
@vzmercogliano
Side note: I'm enjoying watching people twist their head into a pretzel because they've seen Miller turn the puck over a few times (he has 3 giveaways this season) and don't want to believe the shot suppression/defensive metrics are legit. #NYR

It would be a cool idea without the cap crunch but Fox is going to get paid. He looks unreal out there at times.

Imagine if he wins another Norris trophy? They might have a hard time retaining him.
- JRR1285

You shut your dirty, whore mouth!!!

You shut your dirty, whore mouth!!!
- Tonybere

Im gonna put it this way, and it will make Brukie very happy….

There is a better chance that the Rangers trade Artemi Panarin then let Fox go.

Fox should get exactly what Shesty got… 4 yrs… maybe he’ll get an extra million. But idk why Fox would/should be any different (especially the whole fandom thing he had growing up)

Regardless, this should’nt be stressing anyone out imo 🤷🏻‍♂️

Im gonna put it this way, and it will make Brukie very happy….

There is a better chance that the Rangers trade Artemi Panarin then let Fox go.
- aecliptic

lol, agreed.
And there is a better chance that they package Panarin and Fox together for Andrew Copp than there is they offer Foxy $6M a year, no matter how many years.
Sorry, TJ. But, there's just no way you can sign the reigning Norris winner for less than the $9.5M that other good, young D-men are getting.

Vince Z. Mercogliano
@vzmercogliano
K'Andre Miller and Jacob Trouba have been solid defensively, limiting opponents to just 0.71 GA/60 and 23.83 SA/60. But is there even more in the tank for the D pair?

That, plus tonight's #NYR lineup, all here ➡️ https://lohud.com/story/s...lockdown-pair/6173092001/

Vince Z. Mercogliano
@vzmercogliano
Side note: I'm enjoying watching people twist their head into a pretzel because they've seen Miller turn the puck over a few times (he has 3 giveaways this season) and don't want to believe the shot suppression/defensive metrics are legit. #NYR
- picklerick

One more missed game for Kakko I guess

lol, agreed.
And there is a better chance that they package Panarin and Fox together for Andrew Copp than there is they offer Foxy $6M a year, no matter how many years.
Sorry, TJ. But, there's just no way you can sign the reigning Norris winner for less than the $9.5M that other good, young D-men are getting.
- Tonybere

We shall see. I just don’t see HIM, maybe someone else, being greedylike that. He’s probably worth 11 why stop at 9.5?

Instead of making 76 million over 8 years, he’ll make 100 million over 12 years

We’re talking about 3 million a year difference, not really a lot. Easily can be made up at the back end of his career.

We shall see. I just don’t see HIM, maybe someone else, being greedylike that. He’s probably worth 11 why stop at 9.5?

Instead of making 76 million over 8 years, he’ll make 100 million over 12 years

We’re talking about 3 million a year difference, not really a lot. Easily can be made up at the back end of his career.
- Slimtj100

You can't compare theoretical earnings over an 8 year period to a 12 year period, though. Not to mention there is something (a lot) to be said about guaranteeing the $76m - $80m over the next 8 years, as opposed to the uncertainty after the bridge deal. Bridge deals are for players with something to prove. Fox has nothing left to prove at this point.

It makes zero sense for the Rangers to entertain any bridge deal of length for their Norris Trophy winner who already somehow is leading & performing even better than last season through the first six games. Should this trend continue on, the longer the Rangers wait to pay Fox big with a long term extension, his cost will rise in first exceeding all the other top NHL d'men who were extended since last season; the latest being McAvoy, who Fox also deserves to earn greater than in a new deal.

In fact, with Fox right now being both the NHL's best defenseman, and the best Rangers player hands down overall and the most deserving of a Captain's "C"; should his greater play continue on, any wait of lengthy time to extend him during this season could cost the Rangers even greater, with Fox possibly coming in closer to, or slightly higher per season than Panarin's current deal. It's a must that the Rangers extend Fox for 8 years right now at what would appear to be "a team friendly discount" of $9.5M to $10M per year.

This in addition to Zib's new deal would prevent them from ever again considering Eichel, or acquiring any other high contract unless major money were moved out simultaneously the other way. The most urgent need right now for the Rangers is to address their depth at center, specifically in searching for experienced faceoff help.

You can't compare theoretical earnings over an 8 year period to a 12 year period, though. Not to mention there is something (a lot) to be said about guaranteeing the $76m - $80m over the next 8 years, as opposed to the uncertainty after the bridge deal. Bridge deals are for players with something to prove. Fox has nothing left to prove at this point.
- picklerick

I’m putting lots of stock in the hometown thing, I admit. But I really feel he will do that (nothing has told me he wouldn’t). If he wants to win he will and I get the sense he does (zib took a decent discount already) trickle down effect?

Players do think like this now too. Not all do, but some do. McKinnon ( granted he’s underpaid) is the perfect example. He was rich already, and soon he’ll get rich again. He took an underwhelming contact and now will be paid like he should. It’s not some outlandish thinking I’ve come up with (I know hard to believe)

And again..the covid cap is a real thing. Some players are gonna get screwed a little bit. That’s why down the road it’ll be made up

I’m putting lots of stock in the hometown thing, I admit. But I really feel he will do that (nothing has told me he wouldn’t). If he wants to win he will and I get the sense he does (zib took a decent discount already) trickle down effect?

Players do think like this now too. Not all do, but some do. McKinnon ( granted he’s underpaid) is the perfect example. He was rich already, and soon he’ll get rich again. He took an underwhelming contact and now will be paid like he should. It’s not some outlandish thinking I’ve come up with (I know hard to believe)

And again..the covid cap is a real thing. Some players are gonna get screwed a little bit. That’s why down the road it’ll be made up
- Slimtj100

I'm not so convinced that you can say Mika took a discount. His extension takes him through to the age of 37, with a history of concussions and a MASSIVE no move clause included. All that brings his annual price tag down.

I'm not so convinced that you can say Mika took a discount. His extension takes him through to the age of 37, with a history of concussions and a MASSIVE no move clause included. All that brings his annual price tag down.
- Tonybere

You aren't convinced, because he didn't. He knows his value, he got it. We also know that if we were not going to pony up that kind of money, somebody else would have.

I dont buy any stock in the hometown discount.

Fox will say give me my 9m and be happy Im not asking for 11m.

I dont buy any stock in the hometown discount.

Fox will say give me my 9m and be happy Im not asking for 11m.
- aecliptic

Let's just hope the NHLPA doesn't get overly involved and tell him he can't take a somewhat hometown discount for the negative precedent it will set and how GM's can then say well Adam Fox only makes this and you have 0 Norris trophies.

Let's just hope the NHLPA doesn't get overly involved and tell him he can't take a somewhat hometown discount for the negative precedent it will set and how GM's can then say well Adam Fox only makes this and you have 0 Norris trophies.
- newenglandpuck

Home town discounts happen all the time, just not multi-million dollar discounts.

Let's just hope the NHLPA doesn't get overly involved and tell him he can't take a somewhat hometown discount for the negative precedent it will set and how GM's can then say well Adam Fox only makes this and you have 0 Norris trophies.
- newenglandpuck

To be fair, most Norris trophy winners are experienced and not guys who were only in their second season. Oddly enough, the best comparison to the meteoric rise of Fox might be Gostibehere, and he didn't break the bank right away (of course he was just a finalist and not a winner).

I've said on the board on multiple times, I'm horrible at determining values of contracts. I think he deserves every bit of 10 million, but there isn't a ton of precedent of guys coming off ELCs getting that much money. Makar only signed for 6 and 54 for comparison's sake.

Home town discounts happen all the time, just not multi-million dollar discounts.
- aecliptic

Yep. Plus there is a bad look to having a premier player say flat out he only wants to play for your team and then trying to nickel and dime him after he brings home the top defenseman award. You pay him and then figure out the rest later.

Give Fox a blank check and say here ya go. Dude is one of the most dynamic players ive seen in a long time. I hate making comparisons on young players but he is so much like Leetch its uncanny

Give Fox a blank check and say here ya go. Dude is one of the most dynamic players ive seen in a long time. I hate making comparisons on young players but he is so much like Leetch its uncanny
- mdw7413

It's been a long time since I watched any footage of Leetch, but I don't remember him being so dynamic. I have been in absolute shock on the rare occasions where Foxy makes a mistake, either mental or physical.