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Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 23 @ 10:07 PM ET
How the phuck is anyone in their right mind comparing Atkinson to Voracek? It's not even close!! Gee, Voracek racks up PP points. Whooooppppeeeee......he does nothing else! Atkinson plays a complete game and makes 2 million less against the cap. He literally saved at least two 10 bell scoring chances while the Cats were on the PP tonight and he also had a shortie! Voracek would have been pickin splinters out of his arse while Atkinson was making important plays to help the team! Please stop with your Voracek rhetoric! Goat of the game goes to Yandle. Terrible pass to no one by a veteran defender. Now we know why Florida cut him loose. That was brutal! Thanks!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 23 @ 10:11 PM ET
How the phuck is anyone in their right mind comparing Atkinson to Voracek? It's not even close!! Gee, Voracek racks up PP points. Whooooppppeeeee......he does nothing else! Atkinson plays a complete game and makes 2 million less against the cap. He literally saved at least two 10 bell scoring chances while the Cats were on the PP tonight and he also had a shortie! Voracek would have been pickin splinters out of his arse while Atkinson was making important plays to help the team! Please stop with your Voracek rhetoric! Goat of the game goes to Yandle. Terrible pass to no one by a veteran defender. Now we know why Florida cut him loose. That was brutal! Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout


Not sure where you're getting this from. Nobody has compared Atkinson to Voracek or vice versa.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 23 @ 10:14 PM ET
Not sure where you're getting this from. Nobody has compared Atkinson to Voracek or vice versa.
- MJL
Well, you keep pumping Voracek's tires and he was traded for Atkinson, so I have no clue what you're talking about. That was a great trade!!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 23 @ 10:15 PM ET
Well, you keep pumping Voracek's tires and he was traded for Atkinson, so I have no clue what you're talking about. That was a great trade!!
- Phillywhiteout


No, I'm not pumping anyone's tires. I'm simply posting the facts and I'm quite aware that you have no clue what I'm talking about.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 23 @ 10:20 PM ET
No, I'm not pumping anyone's tires. I'm simply posting the facts and I'm quite aware that you have no clue what I'm talking about.
- MJL
No one has a clue as to what you are talking about cause you always spin things into some goofy arse orbit that no one relates to. Voracek is a one demensional soft player and you don't win with guys like him. Atkinson plays a more complete game and it's not even close. Go ahead, tell us how great Voracek is.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 23 @ 10:26 PM ET
No one has a clue as to what you are talking about cause you always spin things into some goofy arse orbit that no one relates to. Voracek is a one demensional soft player and you don't win with guys like him. Atkinson plays a more complete game and it's not even close. Go ahead, tell us how great Voracek is.

- Phillywhiteout


With each post you prove that you don't know what I'm talking about. It was a simple conversation to follow with simple statements. I'll spell it out for you.

My point is that you can like Atkinson as a player and like the trade without having to disparage Voracek as a player or blaming him for the Flyers team issues. He was a really good player for this team for a significant period of time. Top 5 in the franchise all time in assists. The Flyers needed to change the mix and add more of a shooter and a straight line net driver as opposed to a playmaker. It also helps that Atkinson can help out in other ways such as on the PK and it saved the Flyers some cap space. None of that diminishes how good of a player Voracek was for the Flyers. The Flyers also clearly miss Voracek's transition play especially with Hayes out.
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

Oct 23 @ 10:30 PM ET
Not sure where you're getting this from. Nobody has compared Atkinson to Voracek or vice versa.
- MJL

As well they shouldn’t. One was a very good set up man for well over a decade, and the other is more of a scorer. They’re two different types of forward.
I understand why some Flyers fans became annoyed with Jake. Likely ennui. But he was who he was, and didn’t really get a whole lot of time setting up a sniper.
Flyers fans have been wanting that guy who you knew was going to put the puck in the net since…I dunno…Carter? Maybe Gagne during his hot streak?
G showed some flash, but he was always more of a playmaker.
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

Oct 23 @ 10:37 PM ET
That being said, Atkinson is a nice player and fun to watch, but don't expect him to approach 40 again. Anything over 30 I think is gravy.

I think Hart played with some confidence again tonight. Despite the loss, he made some heads up saves. That last one he did really well, but was in an incredibly vulnerable spot after a fine save. The Panthers were fortunate for that bank in.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 23 @ 10:40 PM ET
That being said, Atkinson is a nice player and fun to watch, but don't expect him to approach 40 again. Anything over 30 I think is gravy.

I think Hart played with some confidence again tonight. Despite the loss, he made some heads up saves. That last one he did really well, but was in an incredibly vulnerable spot after a fine save. The Panthers were fortunate for that bank in.

- Hesh_


Agreed. Good play by hubie to put it back on net ,but it was definitely lucky.
Robert's Plant
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.23.2021

Oct 23 @ 10:41 PM ET
Yes, situational awareness lacking there.
- Tomahawk


Catching up. Didn’t see the game. It wasn’t a seam pass?
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 23 @ 10:51 PM ET
With each post you prove that you don't know what I'm talking about. It was a simple conversation to follow with simple statements. I'll spell it out for you.

My point is that you can like Atkinson as a player and like the trade without having to disparage Voracek as a player or blaming him for the Flyers team issues. He was a really good player for this team for a significant period of time. Top 5 in the franchise all time in assists. The Flyers needed to change the mix and add more of a shooter and a straight line net driver as opposed to a playmaker. It also helps that Atkinson can help out in other ways such as on the PK and it saved the Flyers some cap space. None of that diminishes how good of a player Voracek was for the Flyers. The Flyers also clearly miss Voracek's transition play especially with Hayes out.

- MJL
When did I disparage Voracek? Did I ever say he sucks? I'm just saying that Atkinson is a player that will be much more valuable for the Flyers to get where they need to go. Voracek can drive the play in transition as you said and I don't dispute that. On a championship caliber team Voracek would be a good add, but on this particular team Atkinson is much more a needed commodity! I've never said Voracek sucks, but you don't win with guys like him as your front line player or leader. It's just reality. For the record, I thought the team played well tonight until the Yandle gaffe. Many more plays like that and I'll be screaming for York!! Hart played well and I don't blame him at all for the winning goal.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 23 @ 10:54 PM ET
Agreed. Good play by hubie to put it back on net ,but it was definitely lucky.
- Hextall271
That was not a lucky play. Hart was still down from the original save and he banked it off of him intentionally. That was a skill play by a skillful player.
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

Oct 24 @ 12:57 AM ET
That was not a lucky play. Hart was still down from the original save and he banked it off of him intentionally. That was a skill play by a skillful player.
- Phillywhiteout

It was skillful. low percentage, but skillful. That’s why I personally stayed away from lucky and chose fortunate. I thought it conveyed it better.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 24 @ 6:41 AM ET
That was not a lucky play. Hart was still down from the original save and he banked it off of him intentionally. That was a skill play by a skillful player.
- Phillywhiteout


It was a smart play but low percentage and he got lucky that it worked. Behind the net banking it off the tender takes an element of luck to execute.
Shynes57
Florida Panthers
Joined: 11.12.2019

Oct 24 @ 7:34 AM ET
You guys play the whole game like you did short handed and we wouldnt have a chance. Our powerplay was completely useless against you. Its been pretty terrible all season so far
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 24 @ 7:44 AM ET
You guys play the whole game like you did short handed and we wouldnt have a chance. Our powerplay was completely useless against you. Its been pretty terrible all season so far
- Shynes57


We took far too many penalties regardless. I don’t think the ref had a particularly strong game but you can’t have that many penalties and win. No excuses. We also didn’t execute and bob played wel as he always does vs us.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 24 @ 7:50 AM ET
When did I disparage Voracek? Did I ever say he sucks? I'm just saying that Atkinson is a player that will be much more valuable for the Flyers to get where they need to go. Voracek can drive the play in transition as you said and I don't dispute that. On a championship caliber team Voracek would be a good add, but on this particular team Atkinson is much more a needed commodity! I've never said Voracek sucks, but you don't win with guys like him as your front line player or leader. It's just reality. For the record, I thought the team played well tonight until the Yandle gaffe. Many more plays like that and I'll be screaming for York!! Hart played well and I don't blame him at all for the winning goal.
- Phillywhiteout


Still having trouble following the conversation. The conversation took place before you came charging in dropping F bombs. It was not about anything you said after the fact.
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