Wow. Almost blinded by Vegas Knights bright shiny gold helmets. Just as bad as Notre Dame's.
- boilermaker100

I just watched the first period of that game and had the same thoughts about those Vegas helmets. How does the league allow that ridiculous attire?

I also watched the Ice Hogs tonight. 50+ shots allowed. They actually looked worse than their parent club.

I just watched the first period of that game and had the same thoughts about those Vegas helmets. How does the league allow that ridiculous attire?

I also watched the Ice Hogs tonight. 50+ shots allowed. They actually looked worse than their parent club.
- 67hawks

Not a good color coordinated look. I think the helmets really clash with those grey uniforms.

I said last night, how many times did the Hawks send 2 in to forecheck? One guy comes in and there is nobody there to support the one forechecker. They may have changed their forechecking scheme to be better defensively, but they are getting very minimal sustained pressure. That’s one reason why they suck at even strength. Another reason why is that the lines are a joke; 90 on the 4th line and 16 on the second line? Really!! That is awful coaching in a nutshell. I don’t know if Dach should be with Kane, both like playing with the puck, and Kirby never shoots with Kane and tries to force everything to 88. Why can we see these things, but the coaching staff cannot. Long year ahead folks!!

Thanks for the comment. Obviously this is the place for apples and oranges comparisons.

Do you really think Kane's contract is untradable? Point a game guy with 3 Cups? Sure the Hawks would either have to take a contract or retain but untradable? I think the Seabrook trade and all of the big contract dumps show that every contract is tradable.

If Kane or Toews ask Bowman for a trade he will make sure they go to a contender. Those guys deserve every penny they got for what they did on the ice, how they turned the franchise around and how great they have been for the league. Every building was packed for Hawks games on the road with transplants and real hockey fans.
- stevefrmglencoe

I missed this earlier. I know untradable is a relative term. First, both players have a full NMC. So the pool of trading partners is limited by that alone, before we get to how the other side can clear the cap space to make it possible. Toews would be harder to move, yes. Kane, there are a few more possibilities, I'm sure. But I temper that with the memory of what the Hawks got back for Campbell, who still had tread on his tires at the time, and didn't have an NMC (edit: he did have a clause, my bad, and rejected a few trades before going to Florida). We haven't seen too many pure hockey trades with these max contracts, if any at all. And if either asks for a trade, then the Hawks already are operating from a position of weakness with other clubs.

Wow. Almost blinded by Vegas Knights bright shiny gold helmets. Just as bad as Notre Dame's.
- boilermaker100

Purdue helmets are gold...

Purdue helmets are gold...
- rpeters01

Yep, and black, and white, and when gold not that shiny. (Depends on the uniform of the week.)

How you doing? Thought of you when I wrote that original comment. Just had to get a little dig in there.

All valid points.

Is Danault a differnce maker? LA signed him for $30 million. He is a 10 goal scorer. Are they going to regret that in a couple of seasons? That deal did not work out. Bowman had big balls swung and missed there.

I'm interested in which GM's really got fired after winning 3 Cups for a worse trade than the Panarin one?
- stevefrmglencoe

It's my understanding that the hawks didn't have cap space to pay Panarin. And IMO the real problem with the Daneault trade was that fact that the coach and the GM weren't on the same page and the coach ignored the guys traded for. I'm not saying who was right or wrong, but what a (frank)ing waste.

It's my understanding that the hawks didn't have cap space to pay Panarin. And IMO the real problem with the Daneault trade was that fact that the coach and the GM weren't on the same page and the coach ignored the guys traded for. I'm not saying who was right or wrong, but what a (frank)ing waste.
- 6628

Truth, as I recall at the time.

Of course, there's always cap space, depending on who you want to get rid of. Panarin eventually signed for about the combination of what Keith AND Seabs makes. About two Hossas, and more than Kane and Toews. So, they could have kept him if they wanted to get rid of two Sacred Cows (assuming they wouldn't have to eat salary to do so).

Yep, and black, and white, and when gold not that shiny. (Depends on the uniform of the week.)

How you doing? Thought of you when I wrote that original comment. Just had to get a little dig in there.
- boilermaker100

I don't like the Shamrock series uniforms either. Was really ridiculous a few years ago when they wore all white and the gold "space man" helmets. Kind of partial to the "Lady in Black"

Truth, as I recall at the time.

Of course, there's always cap space, depending on who you want to get rid of. Panarin eventually signed for about the combination of what Keith AND Seabs makes. About two Hossas, and more than Kane and Toews. So, they could have kept him if they wanted to get rid of two Sacred Cows (assuming they wouldn't have to eat salary to do so).
- mohel

AND if they could have worked thru all of the nmc/ntc complications.

Truth, as I recall at the time.

Of course, there's always cap space, depending on who you want to get rid of. Panarin eventually signed for about the combination of what Keith AND Seabs makes. About two Hossas, and more than Kane and Toews. So, they could have kept him if they wanted to get rid of two Sacred Cows (assuming they wouldn't have to eat salary to do so).
- mohel

In hindsight I know what Bowman SHOULD have done.

In hindsight I know what Bowman SHOULD have done.
- paulr

You're being modest....you knew the right move ahead of time.

You're being modest....you knew the right move ahead of time.
- mohel

Wel I did …..🤷🏻‍♂️

Truth, as I recall at the time.

Of course, there's always cap space, depending on who you want to get rid of. Panarin eventually signed for about the combination of what Keith AND Seabs makes. About two Hossas, and more than Kane and Toews. So, they could have kept him if they wanted to get rid of two Sacred Cows (assuming they wouldn't have to eat salary to do so).
- mohel

I didn’t - and don’t - mind moving Panarin out - I’m bothered by the return. Even in hindsight, he should have brought back more than Saad.

Same with other deals, including getting Seth Jones in reverse - I’m good with bringing him on board, but I can’t believe he had to give up what he did for a player who wanted out from an organization that apparently wanted him out.

When Stan gets took, they take a lot.

Truth, as I recall at the time.

Of course, there's always cap space, depending on who you want to get rid of. Panarin eventually signed for about the combination of what Keith AND Seabs makes. About two Hossas, and more than Kane and Toews. So, they could have kept him if they wanted to get rid of two Sacred Cows (assuming they wouldn't have to eat salary to do so).
- mohel

Too bad capfriendly doesn't have a feature showing roster and cap hits from previous years. We could all go through the various scenarios how the Hawks could have kept Panarin after the 2018-19 season.

I didn’t - and don’t - mind moving Panarin out - I’m bothered by the return. Even in hindsight, he should have brought back more than Saad.

Same with other deals, including getting Seth Jones in reverse - I’m good with bringing him on board, but I can’t believe he had to give up what he did for a player who wanted out from an organization that apparently wanted him out.

When Stan gets took, they take a lot.
- StLBravesFan

Whether the return is enough is a tough issue because there are a lot of things that we don't know. In hindsight, I would have liked a return of picks and prospects instead of an established vet. But, Stan may have been under orders to not do an obvious rebuild, or perhaps he decided on his own to take a re-load track. I don't think we know.

Whether Saad was the right return once it is assumed an established vet was coming back is also difficult because we don't know what other teams were offering. We don't even know if Stan single-mindedly targeted Saad without gauging Panarin's value elsewhere. Could be that McD told him that he needed someone back to sell tickets.

I'm not saying you are wrong in your assessment, but I don't think I have enough detail to know.

Too bad capfriendly doesn't have a feature showing roster and cap hits from previous years. We could all go through the various scenarios how the Hawks could have kept Panarin after the 2018-19 season.
- boilermaker100

Camel through the eye of a needle type stuff if my old man memory serves accurately.

Too bad capfriendly doesn't have a feature showing roster and cap hits from previous years. We could all go through the various scenarios how the Hawks could have kept Panarin after the 2018-19 season.
- boilermaker100

That would be interesting. Assuming the same contract he signed with the Rangers, the Hawks would have needed to drop $5.6M from their roster. That number is net of any contracts they would have needed to take on to trade a big contract (like Seabs).

That would be interesting. Assuming the same contract he signed with the Rangers, the Hawks would have needed to drop $5.6M from their roster. That number is net of any contracts they would have needed to take on to trade a big contract (like Seabs).
- mohel

If you look at the roster of the 2017-18 Hawks, minus Saad and Forsberg, and figuring out how to jettison $5 mil. In salary, the Hawks would not have been better with him than without him. Jeff Glass as the back up goaltender (Crawford got hurt played less than 30 games). Probably would of had to trade either Anisimov or Schmautz. Panarin doesn’t make up for the fact you are still dressing the Tanner Kero, Lance Bouma’s of the world.

Kane, Carpenter, and Gus all in COVID protocol - Carpenter has already had it once.

Mitel was taken out a few days ago for same reason.

That would be interesting. Assuming the same contract he signed with the Rangers, the Hawks would have needed to drop $5.6M from their roster. That number is net of any contracts they would have needed to take on to trade a big contract (like Seabs).
- mohel

You never know. Maybe Panarin would have signed for 10M to play along side his good buddy Kaner. That's only 4M more then what they were paying for Saad. Could have paid for that by trading Hammer for picks instead of Murphy's 3.8M or move Murphy when Panarin extension was signed.. Defense would have suffered but offense would be there to offset it. Better team? Who knows?

Kane, Carpenter, and Gus all in COVID protocol - Carpenter has already had it once.

Mitel was taken out a few days ago for same reason.
- pdx2ord

Reese Johnson recalled from Rockford.

If Gustafsson isn't cleared to play by tomorrow, the Hawks are down to 5 D-men. Would then expect another recall. Mitchell played pretty well in last night's Hogs game despite getting crushed 6-3.

Mitchell made smart reads, pinched judiciously on offense, and played tight defense. Best defender for the Hogs last night.

If Kane is still injured enough that it is the primary reason behind his lackluster effort and play so far this season, it might be a unexpected gift to the team if he were to take the time needed to get whatever surgery and/or rehab he needs.

Right now, the team still defers too much to him. If he's not in the lineup, they will have to generate offense on their own. They had to have some offensive success to make it to the NHL, so show us what you've got, boys. Let them break the habit of deferring and create an identity without Kane. I have no doubt, that when he comes back, he could slide right back into the lineup. Maybe, though, by then, they will have built new habits that don't involve always looking for or waiting for him.

Kane has 5pts in 5gms

If only more could be as lackluster

Chicago doesn't deserve superstar players.

Reese Johnson recalled from Rockford.

If Gustafsson isn't cleared to play by tomorrow, the Hawks are down to 5 D-men. Would then expect another recall. Mitchell played pretty well in last night's Hogs game despite getting crushed 6-3.

Mitchell made smart reads, pinched judiciously on offense, and played tight defense. Best defender for the Hogs last night.
- Theo Fox

Some would say they have been playing with 5 D with him in the lineup.