Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON Joined: 12.22.2014
Oct 22 @ 3:45 PM ET
"you do you". Ouch!
I don't think I'm usually aggressively sarcastic but, with Marner complaining specifically, my opinion on his contract is beyond kicking a dead horse so I've been trying to spice it up a bit recently to keep myself amused. I guess I hit a nerve, my bad!
Look, I don't hate Marner as a person or a player. I just feel that contract is hot (frank)ing garbage and listening to the droning about how he's a superstar and how, if we trade him now, it'll be the worst trade ever and we shouldn't give up on him, to the assertion that it's just a matter of time before he has a sublime playoff performance drives me a bit bonkers.
We all know that the Leafs are in cap hell and his contract is the poster child of an unnecessary overpay for a player who is primarily a playmaker.
I would enjoy Mitch Marner and be less of a sarcastic poop if he was making 9M and took a team friendly deal -- which, looking around the league, other players seem to be making (yes, yes - pandemic induced / flat cap influenced) those types of deals.
Per the "apologists" comment, I'm not accusing you specifically of being that (my original reply was to CC) but the tacit implication that I was making up a strawman argument kind of set me off a bit because we've seen enough Marner debating on these forums with perspectives on both sides of the equation: he's a hero or he's a goat. You're an "apologist" or a "hater". Reductive? Yes, but I'm pretty passionate about my opinion on his contract and feel it's actively (frank)ing with this team's cap structure and when I watch him play I don't feel like he tilts the ice enough to make that kind of $$$. It just burns me when people assert that trading him would be a catastrophic mistake. Maybe the ghosts of Tom Kurvers, John Kordic, Andrew Raycroft, Phil Kessel, et al. panic some on here. Not moi. (though maybe I'm a space cadet here. It's possible!)
But yes, I hope he steps up this season and dominates at the time of year we all desperately need him to. I'm not convinced he can play in low-event, tight-checking, circle the wagons type playoff hockey -- but we'll see if he can crack the code.
Lastly, I don't think I usually find myself in a sideways conversation where I get personal. I apologize if what I wrote seemed like it was aggressive or personal!
Cheers! - mjones242
No need to apologize to me, and the sideways conversation / getting personal piece was as much at many not you personally (sorry if that's how it came off - poor delivery on my part). I get the overpayment opinion - it would be nice to have more players take less to play in Toronto but all we have seen on that front is local guys who are near the end (like the simply amazing Spezza) or guys looking to get the exposure and reinvigorate their careers.
I think if they can build a winning culture in the playoffs superstars might be more willing to take a bit less but we are stuck with what we are stuck with and some of the overpayment to Marner is due to him perceiving to get the short end of the stick when he got his deal with Lou and no signing bonus.
As much as hearing how great he is or invaluable drives you bonkers I'm willing to bet hearing how overpaid he is or soft, a playoff dud etc. probably drives others bonkers to the same degree.
Full admission, when it comes to the Leafs I'm always a glass half full of that beautiful Leafy Blue Koolaid and I always will be so I try to see the good in the ugly - I also think if you are a long time Leafs fan you have a lifetime of experience in looking for the good in the ugly. I still remember when winning a series (as in a regular season one) against Montreal was something that was gloatworthy for weeks and weeks over my hab fan friends.
My how times and expectations have changed but I'll take this frustration and heightened expectations over those dark days anytime!
I want to point out that while trolling the trolls is satisfying and funny in its own right - this website does NOTHING to answer the question it poses. It's a complete non-sequitur.
Q: "Did the Habs Lose?"
A: "Carolina Sucks."
It's entirely unsatisfying. Like,
Q: "Why did the chicken cross the road?"
A: "Most peanut butter is brown."
You wouldn't talk to that guy. You'd cross the road with the chicken to avoid talking to that guy.
It was and I deleted the original post and posts where the original was quoted or edited them to remove the insensitive / inappropriate comment. Thanks - Cush29
If it was mine, I apologize, it was a crappy thing to post. Terrible situation for all involved.
